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Old 01-11-2015, 03:25 PM   #81
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You guys that think having a stand up E.R. is a waste of space are nuts.

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Could not agree more.
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Old 01-11-2015, 04:10 PM   #82
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Could not agree more.

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Old 01-11-2015, 04:18 PM   #83
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A well designed/thought out ER is a pleasure and a poorly designed one is not.....stand up or crawl around...worked in plenty of both.

My single crawl around is now pleasurable....if it were twins instead of a single...it would be almost stand up in the middle, not outboard...but overall miserable to get around the engines. My size boat just has it's limitations so again till you get enough boat...design trumps headroom in my wrench turning book.
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Old 01-12-2015, 11:37 AM   #84
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Not having stand up headroom in the ER and having a rotten unventilated crawl space are 2 different concepts.

Most engine service can be done sitting on a stool (or milk crate) , which is a far easier position than hunched over the engine.

Replacing a water pump, oil change , valve adjustment , can usually all be done far more comfortably sitting than standing.

There is a huge difference between what is required to comfortably perform PM , and what is required to waltz by the iron.
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Old 01-12-2015, 11:56 AM   #85
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There is a huge difference between what is required to comfortably perform PM , and what is required to waltz by the iron.
Of course you are right about the difference between an impossible space vs a ballroom, but if I had a stand up engine room I'd be doing the waltz, the two step and the jitterbug in celebration!!
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Old 01-12-2015, 12:17 PM   #86
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Of course you are right about the difference between an impossible space vs a ballroom, but if I had a stand up engine room I'd be doing the waltz, the two step and the jitterbug in celebration!!
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Old 01-12-2015, 12:18 PM   #87
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I'd be doing the waltz, the two step and the jitterbug in celebration!!

Viva la difference , I would prefer that space and volume in the rest of the boat , where I live.
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Old 01-12-2015, 02:05 PM   #88
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I think the point is that some designs don't compromise on either to an extent that's noticeable.
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Old 01-12-2015, 06:12 PM   #89
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I think the point is that some designs don't compromise on either to an extent that's noticeable.
Depends....virtually all designs can be improved upon...not to say the original is bad...just improvements are easy after the hard work is done.

and anyone actually gives a darn about a few things.....
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Old 01-12-2015, 06:50 PM   #90
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Unfortunately, while working in a crawl type ER's, the dominate thought on my mind was: "get me the hell out of here". This is not what you want people thinking about when they work on your boat.Steve[/QUOTE]


Ditto when I was busting my knuckles when employed as a major boat yard flunkie years ago. Today the yard that does things for us says our DeFever ER size saves on labor costs and allows a better job on their part. Makes sense to me.

But, some boats I really like are worth the smaller ERs, such as a Fleming 55 and MJM 50.
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Old 01-12-2015, 09:29 PM   #91
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Magic has an "almost" stand up engine room. Today I spent 2 hours on my knees replacing a float switch and its wiring. Now my knees hurt. Had my engine room been 8 feet tall, my knees would still hurt. Guess it depends on what has to be done. Change an impeller? Back on my knees.
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Old 01-13-2015, 11:47 PM   #92
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Never learned to dance but:

duck around the stairs, otherwise 6'6" across the front of engine,
then step down on each side with 7'1" all the way to aft bulkhead.
Still have 6'2" in galley above.
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Open the hatch (either side or on top of the engine), step down and sit on the battery box (no need to be on one's knees), do the engine and/or fuel-line "thing" and stick your head into the pilothouse if fresh air is needed.


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Old 01-14-2015, 12:12 AM   #94
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Never learned to dance but:

duck around the stairs, otherwise 6'6" across the front of engine,
then step down on each side with 7'1" all the way to aft bulkhead.
Still have 6'2" in galley above.
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Stairs?!! Sure beats using the exhaust manifold as a step.
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Old 01-14-2015, 12:13 AM   #95
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Northern Marine was also puzzled why adding space in one area should have to impact spaces elsewhere.
Good one!

My engine room is not a stand up ( we are only 37 ft) but it is 'sit around'. I can access all sides of the engine from a seated position. After spending most of last years weekends down there, I have found it to be quite comfortable to work in.
Getting in and out is not too bad as long as I remember to put the hatch back in place when I am not accessing the engine room. My knee still bothers me from that spill I took.
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I envy you guys! The only way I can stand up in my engine room, is horizontally
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Old 01-17-2015, 10:20 AM   #97
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On smaller self contained boats:

Easy peezie access... and, more than full standing head room for general maintenance needs. That is of course, as long as the hatches and ER space are set up correctly. Bit of contortion needing to get to transmissions or outside of engines next to tanks. Notice blue knee pads in bucket. I also recommend a "head-light" as well as some real good small flash lights.
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Old 01-17-2015, 11:26 AM   #98
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With my hatches open I've got stand up engine room. There's a catch though. Gotta spread my legs apart over the little engine. Over twice the open hatch area as Mark though. But Marks is MUCH more neat and tidy. Interestingly the floor beam was cut out long before the engine got removed. That was presumably when we repowered but perhaps someone had the old Perkins out in the past. I had always assumed someone did it to be able to move around the engine better. Actually I could stuff a Lehman in here if I wanted .. if I wanted .. if I wanted.
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I feel if you can stand up inside ( opening hatches to be able to stand don't count) you have a "engine room"..

If you have to crawl you have a " engine space ".. which my current Ocean Alexander qualifies as.

I have, but do not like to, go into my "space" while underway.. just too tight and too many whirling, hot, pokey, sharp things to negotiate while the boat is in motion.

I deeply miss being able to walk around my old John Deere in Volunteer while underway.
It doubled as a great man cave to hide from pesky guests and the family on extended trips.
The Admiral always understood what was up when I needed to " work on something " in the E.R.

Now the farthest I can get away is the the flybridge for a little peace... oh the sacrifices we make..

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Old 01-17-2015, 01:41 PM   #100
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I feel if you can stand up inside (opening hatches to be able to stand don't count) you have a "engine room"..

If you have to crawl you have a " engine space ".. which my current Ocean Alexander qualifies as.

I have, but do not like to, go into my "space" while underway.. just too tight and too many whirling, hot, pokey, sharp things to negotiate while the boat is in motion.

I deeply miss being able to walk around my old John Deere in Volunteer while underway.
It doubled as a great man cave to hide from pesky guests and the family on extended trips.
The Admiral always understood what was up when I needed to " work on something " in the E.R.

Now the farthest I can get away is the the flybridge for a little peace... oh the sacrifices we make..

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Hey, Hey... I take exception to that, and so should Mark and Eric... as well as others on TF. Regarding: "(opening hatches to be able to stand don't count)"

"Engine Room" - can also = just that - "Comfortable Room" to service "Engine".

Especially coming from an owner belonging to the engine "crawl-space" officialdom!

Kidding aside... I feel for you. That is one of my tallest (pun intended) requirements for any boat I purchase. Must be able to stand erect in engine area and have at least reasonably comfortable/ready access to engine(s) as well as other items. There are several boats that I felt were real nice... but would need extensive alterations to get hatches made into salon floor for "Comfortable Room" to service "Engine". That factor stopped my purchase on two boats. One a Chris Craft and one a Tollycraft.

Happy Engine-"Room" Daze! - Art
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