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Old 10-24-2015, 07:15 AM   #1
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What's comparable to a Mainship 400?

I'm looking for a coastal cruiser. I have no offshore intentions, other than dreams of the Bahamas, or short inlet-to-inlet hops while transiting the ICW. One and two-night stays on the boat, either at a marina or anchor, would be my typical usage at this stage in my (work) life.

Here are my basic criteria:

-Budget is $250K all in, including upgrades after purchase
-Covered cockpit/Sedan design. No aft cabins
-Flybridge
-Single engine preferred
-Two separate staterooms
-Walk-around side decks
-Lower helm with door to side deck
-Swim platform
-Minimal exterior teak
-Displacement speed is okay

After lots of looking, I keep coming back to the Mainship 400. It checks all of my boxes with good, though not spectacular, build quality, and there are lots of them on the market.

Suggestions?
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Old 10-24-2015, 01:31 PM   #2
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Old 10-24-2015, 01:43 PM   #3
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The Mainship 400 will fit those specs very well. If you want to see more about the boat from a very knowledgeable owner, check out Steve Cyr's website for Stella Blue, his Mainship 400: Steven Cyr's Stella Blue Site

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Old 10-24-2015, 07:18 PM   #4
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The Mainship 400 will fit those specs very well. If you want to see more about the boat from a very knowledgeable owner, check out Steve Cyr's website for Stella Blue, his Mainship 400: Steven Cyr's Stella Blue Site

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Thanks. That's a great site- everything you need to know about the 400.

This Willard 40 caught my eye-

1988 Willard 40 Trawler Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

I like the twin staterooms and heads on a boat this size, though the tradeoff is a smaller saloon. Also, the Willard lacks a swim platform and a door at the lower helm.
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We have a 390 Mainship. cannot really speak with any authority on other brands but the Mainship quality is pretty good. When you hear about soft decks on some Mainships that will be on the earlier 34's from the late 70's and early 80's. The newer boats are all pretty good. We have had ours for 9 years and have never had any issues.
The Willard you listed looks like a really nice boat and would probably draw a crowd at any marina you would visit but it misses your criteria in several areas.
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I've got seven out of your ten. Got no covered cockpit, no fly(ing) bridge, and no two bedrooms. We sleep two (if the three berths in the saloon are overlooked), dine six, and entertain ten or so.
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If you want a boat that is less than 10 years old in your price range, the mainship 400 is the one. If you are willing to look at older boats, like the Willard, my vote would be a Krogen 42.
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Our 2007 Mariner 40 seems to fit the bill pretty close.

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Our 2007 Mariner 40 seems to fit the bill pretty close.

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Thats a very pretty boat; is this from the same boat builder:


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I'm not familiar with Mariner, have you got any links to the manufactures?
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Also, the Willard lacks a swim platform and a door at the lower helm.

Swim platforms can be added.

Our boat is a sister brand to Mainship, and build quality is pretty good. Chevy. Would expect contemporary Mainships to be equal quality.

Even the early Mainship 34s (had one) were pretty good, comparatively speaking... using techniques of the era.

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Our 2007 Mariner 40 seems to fit the bill pretty close.

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Your Mariner does fit the bill. I like the more traditional interior and the layout of the guest stateroom. I also like the steps/ladder combo for access to the flybridge, and the fact that the ladder access can be closed off with a hatch.
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I'm not familiar with Mariner, have you got any links to the manufactures?
They are now called Helmsman Yachts.
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We really like the lay-out as well. The galley is separated from the salon which gives us a comfortable indoor entertaining area in addition to a nice covered aft deck and massive fly bridge deck.
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Old 10-31-2015, 09:13 AM   #16
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We've reached the same conclusion as the OP, and in the last month have inspected an MS34, 40, and 43. All of them have the same "sterile" feel... which is not necessarily a bad thing. However, Wmii's Mariner has also caught my eye. One of the big deals for me is to have the space to setup my PC and 2 monitors. I'm a tech writer by trade, and if I have internet, I can work anywhere (I currently work from my dirt house). Meeting that criteria means more time on the boat for me.

We like the MS34 cockpit access to the ER. Unfortunately, the MS34 we visited had twins, and the ER access drops you right on one of the mains's tunnels. This made for cramped access for me (YMMV). I'm not as flexible as I once was. I'm sure an MS34 with a single would be easier.

We visited the same MS40 twice, and like the boat. The Admiral seems to think it won't take much to make it hers... and we all know how big a deal that is. The only negative comment I have is the saloon sole access to the ER, thus possibly requiring you to move stuff around in a hurry to get down there. Having to do this in a busy or rough seaway is a concern... though not a deal killer. I was freakin' amazed how quiet the main and gennie were on this boat. The gennie so quiet that you would be hard pressed to know if it stalled.

Departing a bit from ABfish's criteria, an aft cabin is not necessarily out of play for us, keeping the MS43 in play. An aft master berth means no annoying bow slap when sleeping. Though the MS43s will tend to be older, from what we've seen they're also less expensive. The downside to the aft cabin MS43 is the wasted space over the cabin. The owner's of the MS43 we looked at reinforced the top of the aft cabin, and mounted the tender on it. Like the OP, we like our outdoor space, so the MS43 is not at the top of the list.

As much as I hate to admit it, another model/mfg. has caught our eye: the Meridian 408/411/459. I know, they're not trawlers... and yes, they do look something like a floating bleach bottle. But, they don't draw much water (nice for anchoring in the ICW), can be safely and economically run at trawler speeds (with power to burn if/when you need it), and Meridian did tremendous things with space management. Their D.O.C is interesting, too.

Sorry for the wall of text... just my 2.
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I was thinking the same regarding Meridian. I'd go a step further, if one is thinking Mainship 400 then SeaRay and Carver are comps as well.
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I'll assume you were joking. Sea Ray and Carver never crossed our minds. Not once. And no, the Meridian is not a comp to the Mainship. It's just something that caught my eye and made me go "Hmmmm". TBH, I think the Meridian 459 is one of the least attractive boats I have ever seen. But, one man's queen is another man's sweathog.

What we will do, as part of our search, is visit a Meridian 408/411, if for no other reason that to cross it off the list. I can visit these without traveling to the gulf coast (or out of state) to do it.

Sticking to the thread topic, if one were to answer truthfully, there aren't many comps to the Mainship in terms of price/age. You either have to increase the age (older boats), or up the price... in some cases significantly.

Here is what I asked myself before we began:
  • How far is one willing to travel, and how much $$ is one willing to spend in the search?
  • How old a boat is one willing to buy?
  • How much time/$$ is one willing to spend in repairs/upgrades?
  • Do I want to spend all my time looking, or do I want to get back on the water?
We wish ABfish luck in his search, and hope he'll keep us posted here.

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I was thinking the same regarding Meridian. I'd go a step further, if one is thinking Mainship 400 then SeaRay and Carver are comps as well.
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I was thinking the same regarding Meridian. I'd go a step further, if one is thinking Mainship 400 then SeaRay and Carver are comps as well.
I agree and was thinking of posting that.

What is not comparable to a Mainship is the Willard and Krogen mentioned.
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Well KMA, if I read the OP's list properly many models of SeaRay, Carver and Meridian are good comps for the M400. Build quality is about the same but preference for single is the major departure.

Not noted by OP is trawler aura, which Mainship Peddled well. For example as Eric noted, some on this thread comparing Mainship to Willard and KK.
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