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Old 09-03-2014, 12:03 AM   #141
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Check your Chapman for the definition of a recreational trawler, yet I agree that we're writing about "power cruisers" on this forum.
Yes, well, Chapman's is a recreational boater's book, and as useful as it may be, it, too, has fallen victim to the same hype as everyone else. I prefer to go with the actual definition of words, not some marketing guys' definition of words.

I have no delusions of changing how the word is used by the recreational boating crowd. It's become too ingrained to change at this point. But in the same way that "flying bridge" is the correct name for the elevated helm station on a boat, not "flybridge," I see no reason to go along with the crowd on the term "trawler" just because it's a crowd.

PS--- The dictionary definiton of a "flybridge" is "...a bridge used by flies or other small insects to cross a rivulet or small stream of water. Generally constructed by ants, flybridges,while tiny in size, can often by spotted by the spider webs erected at one or both ends." (From the Oxford English Dictionary, Orkney-Shetland Supplement).
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There are fishing trawlers, naval trawlers, and recreational trawlers.

Trawler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I agree that "flying bridge" is the correct terminology for the upper helm so many other TF members have.
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Old 09-03-2014, 01:46 AM   #146
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There are fishing trawlers, naval trawlers, and recreational trawlers.

Trawler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Right, but Wikipedia is written by anyone who wants to submit something. If I had a dollar for every inaccuracy I've come across in Wikipedia over the years we'd have bought a new Fleming instead of this old GB. So the trawler "definition" was probably written by someone who was simply parroting what they'd heard.

My wife was in the Navy and still has her Bluejacket's Manual. Plus I have a copy of the 1,000 page Bluejacket's that was issued in WWII, the biggest version every published. I've not seen anything in either one in the vessel description section about "trawlers."

Wikipedia is a handy reference, no question, and I use it a lot. But if it's really important that the information you get is accurate, it's smart to check out a Wikipedia "fact" in something that's truly reliable.

Wikipedia is a standing joke with the folks in Boeing Archives.
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Right, but Wikipedia is written by anyone who wants to submit something.
Maybe everyone but me.
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Old 09-03-2014, 03:06 AM   #148
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Maybe everyone but me.
Given what I've seen of your knowledge of WWII aircraft and railroads you could probably contribute a lot more accurately than some of what I've seen there.
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Thanks, Marin. I'll just take it with me and appreciate the life I've been granted.
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Right, but Wikipedia is written by anyone who wants to submit something. ........
Yep! It's a source for students who are too stupid or lazy to do some real research.

As for the term "Trawler", words change meaning over time for better or worse. Remember what "gay" used to mean? How about "green"? It used to be a color. An "engine" is a machine that burns fuel to make power while a "motor" converts an external source of energy (usually electricity) to power, so what about the term "outboard motor"?

In common usage in the USA, the word "trawler" is applied to boats that are powered by engines, not sails, travel relatively slowly, have living accommodations and generally look like a trawler.

And going back on topic, an outboard engine might have the same power as an inboard but they generally lack the torque of an inboard. The outboard might move the boat OK in still water but it's going to have a problem getting it up to speed and competing with strong currents.
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We all know that is is not uncommon that over time the definitions of words and terms change, new words are added every year to the Websters.

Not that facts should change an old favorite argument for some.

As someone not yet famous once said "get with the times man".
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As someone not yet famous once said "get with the times man".
Good advice from a Pilgrim driver.
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Ron wrote;
"As for the term "Trawler", words change meaning over time for better or worse. Remember what "gay" used to mean? How about "green"? It used to be a color. An "engine" is a machine that burns fuel to make power while a "motor" converts an external source of energy (usually electricity) to power, so what about the term "outboard motor"?

In common usage in the USA, the word "trawler" is applied to boats that are powered by engines, not sails, travel relatively slowly, have living accommodations and generally look like a trawler."

Good post Ron. In this day using the word trawler most people would think of the pleasure boat. The vernacular does change. And here of course nobody's "trawling" for fish.
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A good argument for outboards.
Boat Engine Comparison: Outboard vs Sterndrive vs Jet Drive | Boating Magazine

There are quite a lot of commercial boats that go out to the wind farms that have jet drives, and a few patrol boats with I/O; but obviously these comparitive tests were on very light sports boats.

There is a valid argument for OB's on the right vessel, but I'm not sure a conventional trawler qualifies. But Maybe those alloy Alaskan boats just sneak into the OB section because although they look like trawlers their hull forms seem to be planing or semi-displ.
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A special hull for an OB trawler could be a flat or nearly so (in the stern) boat w an OB well ahead of the far end of the stern. The bottom portions of the hull outboard of the well tunnel would turn up to very near the WL. 2/3rds of the stern would be FD and the prop would be deeper in the water and well ahead of the stern. Should be very efficient for an OB and some seaworthyness advantages too. Good hull shape for an aluminum or steel boat.
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A special hull for an OB trawler could be a flat or nearly so (in the stern) boat w an OB well ahead of the far end of the stern. The bottom portions of the hull outboard of the well tunnel would turn up to very near the WL. 2/3rds of the stern would be FD and the prop would be deeper in the water and well ahead of the stern. Should be very efficient for an OB and some seaworthyness advantages too. Good hull shape for an aluminum or steel boat.
I think you have put your finger on the problem: the prop coming out of the water when the bow pitches Down.

Clever idea to locate the OB leg slightly further forward from the stern.
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As for the term "Trawler", words change meaning over time for better or worse..
Yeah, you're right. I know it's tilting at a windmill. As a writer and someone with a lot of interest and knowledge of history, it just pisses me off when a word starts being used incorrectly because of ignorance, or in the case of "trawler," a bunch of marketing bozos who thought their product would sell better if buyers thought it was something it wasn't.

Your take is based on reality, mine is based on wishful thinking.
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While serving on a DE (destroyer escort) we shadowed a Russian "trawler" from south of San Diego to Alaska. The "trawler" was a snooper boat filled with electronics. The Navy called it a Trawler. They were fishing for secrets, not fish....just sayin....btw, 1970.
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While serving on a DE (destroyer escort) we shadowed a Russian "trawler" from south of San Diego to Alaska. The "trawler" was a snooper boat filled with electronics. The Navy called it a Trawler. They were fishing for secrets, not fish....just sayin....btw, 1970.

Yes, those "trawlers" were a somewhat common sight in the waters around Hawaii. The ones I saw or saw film of were actual fishing trawlers that had been set up for electronic snooping. Some of them actually pretended to fish, or maybe they really did fish in an attempt to look innocent and get closer to whateve they wanted to get closer to.
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