2023: biggest seas encountered this year?

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Recent threads on stability, CE Rating, and going from Maine to Alaska (including suitability of a GB42 for Caribbean) got me thinking about how often difficult seas are encountered by active boaters such as TFers.

For those who did some cruising this year, what was the worst conditions you encountered? I think the Beaufort scale remains a decent yardstick, albeit a bit rough.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_scale

For 2023, we've done a couple hundred hours and around 1100-1200 nms or so from San Diego to Mazatlan via La Paz. Worst we've seen was around 25 kts, and maybe 4 foot chop over a 5-6 foot long period swell (no, that doesn't equate to 10 foot seas). Beaufort 4. Even that was relatively short duration - single digit hours. Vast majority was spent at Beaufort 2. Granted, we're weather wimps and this is a good time of year to be on the Pacific, but still, that's a lot of open water.

What did 2023 look like for others? Delfin, I recall you made Hawaii and back....Ksanders - La Paz to Ensenada and back. Slowgoesit - PNW to La Paz. AKDoug - holy moly, you did a crazy trip from La Paz to Alaska. I know there are others. What did you see?

Peter

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Eight to Ten

We got up for an early start on a cloudy and windy day with thunderstorms predicted for the afternoon. We had a full day’s run of forty-five miles with the wind on our stern. It was blowing out of the south east and we would be protected from the waves until we got past the end of the point. It was a straight course to Gloucester but when we were a couple of hours away, a series of large thunderstorms went through. The seas were four to six feet on our stern but grew to eight to ten during the storm passage. We got thrown sidewise by a wave and all of a sudden we had no steering. The wheel moved fine but the rudder position indicator showed that the rudder was flapping back and forth to its stops with no control. We were rolling quite severely and there was water streaming across the stern deck. The steering gear was under that deck in the lazerette. Upon opening the deck, the problem was evident. The end fitting on the hydraulic ram shaft had fractured so that it was not attached to the rudder. We were still rolling heavily with furniture flying across the salon. Brad was securing things while I got out the emergency tiller.

When we had bought Jubilee and I was looking at every space, I found the emergency tiller in a mass of rust so I took it home, cleaned it, painted it, and put it aboard carefully where it would be easily accessible. I thought that all boaters have an emergency tiller but we never use them. Now we would.

We both put on our communication headsets and Brad went into the pilothouse and I went to the stern to control the tiller. I was facing aft holding the tiller and keeping the stern into the waves. Brad was watching for lobster trap buoys and keeping us close to the route to Gloucester harbor. For about two hours we alternated positions as I arranged for a tow, a mooring and kept the Coast Guard informed. We rounded the breakwater and dropped the hook. A tow vessel was on its way to take us to a mooring in Gloucester harbor and I was on the phone trying to find this very specific part. I figured that we may be delayed here for up to a week waiting for shipping from some far off vendor.

I had the literature for the hydraulic ram so I had a part number and found one at a marine parts place in Gloucester. As soon as the tow boat got us on the mooring we launched the dinghy and ran into town for the part. We had it installed and we were ready to go by four thirty in the afternoon. My fear of a week delay was over in just hours.
 

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The end of the story was quite a surprise especially finding the correct part. How often does stuff like that happen? Bravo!
 
I was badly spanked going from Jacksonville, FL to Beaufort, SC in April. After passing St. Simon Sound (Brunswick, GA), there aren't any port options you really want to try for the first time, in the middle of the night until you get to Savannah, GA or Beaufort, SC. It blew 25 gusting to over 30 knots. Instead of making Port Royal Sound at 1am, I passed the seabouy at 6:30am. A guess would be 8+' with blinding sea spray.

Ted
 
coming north of Cedros last week of June this year it wasn't pretty.
Windy was of course wrong even by Cedros standards.

We clocked up to about 30 kn that night in our face with seas that were normal for that level of sustained wind with infinite fetch.

it wasn't any fun, something I don't want to do again.

The big seas I've been in aren't something I'm proud of. Those are the times when I look back on my boating time and say to myself that I failed.


but I learn from my mistakes and try not to repeat them
 
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We got up for an early start on a cloudy and windy day with thunderstorms predicted for the afternoon. We had a full day’s run of forty-five miles with the wind on our stern. It was blowing out of the south east and we would be protected from the waves until we got past the end of the point. It was a straight course to Gloucester but when we were a couple of hours away, a series of large thunderstorms went through. The seas were four to six feet on our stern but grew to eight to ten during the storm passage. We got thrown sidewise by a wave and all of a sudden we had no steering. The wheel moved fine but the rudder position indicator showed that the rudder was flapping back and forth to its stops with no control. We were rolling quite severely and there was water streaming across the stern deck. The steering gear was under that deck in the lazerette. Upon opening the deck, the problem was evident. The end fitting on the hydraulic ram shaft had fractured so that it was not attached to the rudder. We were still rolling heavily with furniture flying across the salon. Brad was securing things while I got out the emergency tiller.

When we had bought Jubilee and I was looking at every space, I found the emergency tiller in a mass of rust so I took it home, cleaned it, painted it, and put it aboard carefully where it would be easily accessible. I thought that all boaters have an emergency tiller but we never use them. Now we would.

We both put on our communication headsets and Brad went into the pilothouse and I went to the stern to control the tiller. I was facing aft holding the tiller and keeping the stern into the waves. Brad was watching for lobster trap buoys and keeping us close to the route to Gloucester harbor. For about two hours we alternated positions as I arranged for a tow, a mooring and kept the Coast Guard informed. We rounded the breakwater and dropped the hook. A tow vessel was on its way to take us to a mooring in Gloucester harbor and I was on the phone trying to find this very specific part. I figured that we may be delayed here for up to a week waiting for shipping from some far off vendor.

I had the literature for the hydraulic ram so I had a part number and found one at a marine parts place in Gloucester. As soon as the tow boat got us on the mooring we launched the dinghy and ran into town for the part. We had it installed and we were ready to go by four thirty in the afternoon. My fear of a week delay was over in just hours.




Let me guess - Rose Marine saved the day?
 
You are right. Rose's Marine Supply had the right part on the shelf. We took the dinghy to their doorstep.
 
Wasn’t this year but we were coming down the west coast from Neah Bay to Grays Harbor and had 18’ coming off the starboard quarter. The CG sent a 47 MLB out to escort us into the harbor.
 
Beaufort 7. Once in the Bering Sea for maybe six hours with the wind and seas behind us. The ride wasn’t bad. Beaufort 7 again for 2.5 days into Hawaii a couple weeks ago, this time right on the beam. We took some big hits; several waves broke into the cockpit and onto the port side salon windows. Maretron recorded one roll to 42.4 degrees. It wasn’t fun but the boat did what she was supposed to. The lone portlight on the windward side that didn’t have a storm plate had its gasket blown out.

Given the places and distances (15,000nm, HI-Japan-AK-WA-HI) we’ve traveled in the last 10 months, I think we’ve done pretty well with weather. PredictWind has been super valuable.
 
I cruised my boat 3,800 miles this year. I brought the boat back to Ohio from Louisiana and the worst seas I encountered were entering Lake Erie from the protection of the break wall at Buffalo. A bit of get home itis on the last 230 mile leg. Seas were predicted to be 2-3 ft with 5 second intervals with 15 knots of wind and decreasing.
Seemed a bit breezy but from the flying bridge the waves looked about right out on the lake. The sun was shining and seemed a perfect day. I ran out through the break wall into probably 6-8' waves on 5-6 sec intervals, confused and bouncing off the break wall. Wind was around 20 knots out the the SW from a 300 mile fetch and had bee blowing harder all night. I did not take long at 7 knots to drop off the top of a big wave and slam and plow the bow under the next wave. No easy feat in a heavy full displacement boat. I pulled the power back and looked at my options A bit of a crab and 20 miles and I could duck behind a headland. Lord knows I was not going to turn around even with the stabilizers on. It was tense for a while but the wind and waves did decrease. Made port in 40 miles and changed the Racor filters. Welcome to Lake Erie.
Worst ever- Lake Superior Nov 10,1975
 
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In June this year travelling from Tangalooma on Moreton Island back to Mooloolaba we experienced sustained 29knot winds (Beaufort 7) and max wave heights in the order of 2m - 2.25m (6.5 feet to 7.5 feet).

Trip was around 5 hours and we did not want to be there! Worst part was getting across the shallow area just north of Moreton Island where the waves were standing up and breaking.

We made it home with no injuries and nothing on the boat broken, but definitely do not want to be back in those conditions again any time soon.

Have spent time researching those conditions since and the local area to better understand how we got into that situation. There was a storm that went through overnight which must have stirred up the conditions locally as all of the forecasts we had looked at before departing didn't like like there would be a problem.

Here is a pic from the closest wave monitoring buoy.
 

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We stayed in Puget sound all summer, so the worst we saw was 4 foot chop off of elliot bay. :thumb:
 
We didn't venture beyond Lake Ontario this summer. I don't think we saw anything bigger than 3 footers, although heading out one day with it blowing out of the NE the end of the river may have been stacked up closer to 4 (hard to tell when they're that steep).

Only thing that was unexpected was a day of 1 - 2 footers that grew and became a bit confused towards the end of a trip due to local land influence around a harbor we hadn't gone into previously. Ended up with 2 - 3 footers from one direction and a foot or so of fresh wind chop from another direction. Wasn't anything bad, just made for a bit of pitching with some slightly awkward motion for a few miles until we could turn and put the bigger stuff on the stern quarter (much more comfortable on this boat).
 
Over 2,000 miles this year, but mostly inside. Beaufort is only half the story there, with current making up the other half. Made it up through Johnstone narrows and out in to lower Queen Charlotte Sound by late afternoon. I had done my go/no go calculation and planned on continuing north to the north end of Broughton Island if the wind stayed the same by 5 pm. 5 pm and the wind was still coming straight at us at 5-10. I told the wife it was a go. By 5:30 the wind increased to 10-15 but the current changed to run against the wind. I expected that, but I didn't expent the "chop" to instantly jump to 4 feet. Ran with seas on the beam for a few minutes in order to hide behind Salmon Island. Peeking out, we decided to turn tail and run into Fife Sound with the 5' seas building on the stern. Took a 20 minute spanking. Not bad, but not good.

Returning after the summer's cruise, we rounded Cape Caution in spooky calm conditions. It was so flat that the water mirrored the mountains. Had to take a picture.
 
Close to 6000nm since we moved on the boat in Sept of 2021. Worst conditions were departing Port Townsend, WA headed North to AK., and I forgot about the "Washing Machine" off of Point Wilson . . .

Tidal current and wind were compounding 3 - 5' waves from EVERY direction, no sense to them at all. Went from 1' swell to nuts in about 2 minutes. We hadn't buttoned up for travel yet, didn't have the paravanes out . . . .

Laura was making breakfast, with predictable results.

3 three cats barfing and, other stuff, for 20 minutes of sheer hell! Finally got the paravanes out, then everything calmed down anyway, as we were through the washing machine . . . Worst conditions since we've owned the boat, and, sadly, it was avoidable, or at least manageable for the most part.

Lessons learned:

  • Remember about the "Washing Machine", even though my last experience there was from 1982
  • Don't leave the dock/anchorage unless the boat is prepared for bad conditions
  • Put the paravanes out early
  • Don't start a meal until you have a read on conditions
  • Give the cats seasick meds before departing
  • Don't be in a hurry (we weren't, but still worth mentioning)
Worst conditions coming down from PNW to SOC were off of Ft. Bragg, which precipitated a detour to Bodega Harbor, CA, and waiting out poor conditions for 5 days. Conditions weren't beyond the capabilities of the boat, but they WERE uncomfortable, with 6 to 7 foot seas off the stbd quarter and 20 - 30kts of wind off the stern.

A sailboat came into Bodega Harbor the 3rd day we were there, stating that they had several feet of water in the aft cockpit on several occasions, and 7 foot waves w/ short period for over 24 hours . . . . kind of reinforced our decision to hole up for a few days!:dance:
 
Beaufort 7. Once in the Bering Sea for maybe six hours with the wind and seas behind us. The ride wasn’t bad. Beaufort 7 again for 2.5 days into Hawaii a couple weeks ago, this time right on the beam. We took some big hits; several waves broke into the cockpit and onto the port side salon windows. Maretron recorded one roll to 42.4 degrees. It wasn’t fun but the boat did what she was supposed to. The lone portlight on the windward side that didn’t have a storm plate had its gasket blown out.

Given the places and distances (15,000nm, HI-Japan-AK-WA-HI) we’ve traveled in the last 10 months, I think we’ve done pretty well with weather. PredictWind has been super valuable.

:eek::eek:

Damn, Sam, you are "livin' the life" out there! When you get back to this neck of the woods (if that's in your plans) I'd love to have you as a guest on a new podcast we're doing called The Boat Geeks. I'll bet you have plenty of good stories to tell...
 
Beaufort 7. Once in the Bering Sea for maybe six hours with the wind and seas behind us. The ride wasn’t bad. Beaufort 7 again for 2.5 days into Hawaii a couple weeks ago, this time right on the beam. We took some big hits; several waves broke into the cockpit and onto the port side salon windows. Maretron recorded one roll to 42.4 degrees. It wasn’t fun but the boat did what she was supposed to. The lone portlight on the windward side that didn’t have a storm plate had its gasket blown out.

Given the places and distances (15,000nm, HI-Japan-AK-WA-HI) we’ve traveled in the last 10 months, I think we’ve done pretty well with weather. PredictWind has been super valuable.

I'd forgotten about your treks - you and Delfin have some serious offshore voyages this year - well outside what I consider a relatively predictable 72-hour weather window.

The reason I started this thread was fodder for the inevitable thread that supposes no one should go out of sight of land without a Nordhavn-esque battleship (with all due respect, given Retriever is a heart-melting N50). The experiences described thus far are from folks with quite a few miles in coastal/offshore waters. The amount of time spent in more than modestly uncomfortable conditions is measured in single-digit hours; maybe 1%-2% of the time. If I could change one thing about my boat it would be to stretch the waterline 15-20 feet. Why? Because we encountered mostly Force 2 chop - 50-feet of waterline would span it much more comfortably. Frankly, there's enough living space for us - the only other thing I'd wish for is better engine room access. But I do wish for more waterline for speed and comfort for normal cruising conditions. I'd also say I thnk a displacement hull is a nice compromise of wave-piercing and bouyancy vs most semi-displacement hulls that are pretty bouyant in the bow which gives a lot of bounce in choppy head seas (I'd take the GB plumb bow hull form compared to most of the Taiwan knock-offs - dry decks are over-rated).

KSanders with his Bayliner 4788, one of the contributors to this thread (spanked off Isla Cedros Baja) is a vocal proponant of 'you don't need a Nordhavn/Selene/KK/etc. to make ambitious [coastal] voyages.' I agree with him. I'm not saying you don't have to be more careful with prep and weather, but coastal voyages are well within the means of many boaters with the boats they own (assuming adequate maintenance and prep), at least the types I see at most marinas.

Peter
 
If I could change one thing about my boat it would be to stretch the waterline 15-20 feet. Why? Because we encountered mostly Force 2 chop - 50-feet of waterline would span it much more comfortably. Frankly, there's enough living space for us - the only other thing I'd wish for is better engine room access. But I do wish for more waterline for speed and comfort for normal cruising conditions. I'd also say I thnk a displacement hull is a nice compromise of wave-piercing and bouyancy vs most semi-displacement hulls that are pretty bouyant in the bow which gives a lot of bounce in choppy head seas (I'd take the GB plumb bow hull form compared to most of the Taiwan knock-offs - dry decks are over-rated).


I've had similar thoughts on my boat. Stretching the hull out a few feet would make the boat look better, would make space for a usable second desk to work from on board, and it would definitely help the ride. A bit of extra speed at slow cruise from a longer waterline wouldn't hurt either, as currently our slow cruise is only around 6.5 - 6.7 kts.

If I were to change the bow shape, I think I'd keep the flare, but reduce the amount of rake at the stem a bit for more waterline length and so the ground tackle weight isn't as far ahead of the waterline. That would also allow making the forward sections a little bit finer to reduce pitching in a head sea (without sacrificing weight carrying ability). Currently we have rather full and convex bow sections which leads to a not-great ride in steep head seas, but it's good for weight carrying and excellent in following seas, as the bow doesn't dig in despite the wide stern being lifted.
 
The reason I started this thread was fodder for the inevitable thread that supposes no one should go out of sight of land without a Nordhavn-esque battleship (with all due respect, given Retriever is a heart-melting N50). The experiences described thus far are from folks with quite a few miles in coastal/offshore waters. The amount of time spent in more than modestly uncomfortable conditions is measured in single-digit hours; maybe 1%-2% of the time. If I could change one thing about my boat it would be to stretch the waterline 15-20 feet. Why? Because we encountered mostly Force 2 chop - 50-feet of waterline would span it much more comfortably. Frankly, there's enough living space for us - the only other thing I'd wish for is better engine room access. But I do wish for more waterline for speed and comfort for normal cruising conditions. I'd also say I thnk a displacement hull is a nice compromise of wave-piercing and bouyancy vs most semi-displacement hulls that are pretty bouyant in the bow which gives a lot of bounce in choppy head seas (I'd take the GB plumb bow hull form compared to most of the Taiwan knock-offs - dry decks are over-rated).

KSanders with his Bayliner 4788, one of the contributors to this thread (spanked off Isla Cedros Baja) is a vocal proponant of 'you don't need a Nordhavn/Selene/KK/etc. to make ambitious [coastal] voyages.' I agree with him. I'm not saying you don't have to be more careful with prep and weather, but coastal voyages are well within the means of many boaters with the boats they own (assuming adequate maintenance and prep), at least the types I see at most marinas.

Peter

Similar to the debate about “needing” a 4x4 SUV for the occasional snowy day, duck hunting trip, or weekend skiing. Not required but worth it to some for ease of use, margin of safety, and capability for more ambitious trips. Times when it matters is probably 1% of the overall use of the vehicle.

This year we did 3,000 miles from WA state up through SE AK and return. The cruising grounds are spectacular and sometime harsh, but most of the route is sheltered from open ocean swells. To your point, we could have done the entire trip this year with a much less capable boat with only the occasional butt-kicking and likely no safety issues.

Other years and locations, we used a much higher percentage of the boat’s capabilities. Sparing the war stories, we have at times been thankful to have a mini-battleship under us. Also, redundancy, ease of maintenance, storage etc are always useful regardless of sea conditions. All that being said, I’m with Kevin in believing that most well built boats will take you safely where you want to go in even long-range coastal cruising.
 
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Regarding choices in boats, IE Battleship vs Coastal Cruiser...

Honestly for many of us it comes down to time in the office paying for the more capable boat Vs going early in a boat that is sufficient.

This time, again for many of us, is measured in years of life.

I chose my Bayliner 4788 not because it was the best at anything. I chose it because it was a very comfortable patform for life, was sufficiently seaworthy to go where I wanted to go, and was economical enough to be able to retire at 60.

Now some might have taken different paths in life and might find themselves either making a more economical choice, or a more expensive one. Some might find that they can go earlier in life, some later. The amount of dollars each of us have for a boat, and the time in life that we are prepared to leave the office behind forever varies for each of us.

For me... Being a year and a half into retirement, I would not trade my Bayliner for all the Nordhavn's in the world if I had to sit in my office paying for it vs sitting in the marina in Mexico living the dream.

I have a lot of friends here on TF that will attest that I am the epitome of the Vagabond Cruiser. I wear nothing but shorts and flip flops, my skin is as brown as a native, and I fully embrace life in Margaritaville. It makes my stomach turn to even think about more years at work.
 
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Weebles, I think you’re spot-on that for coastal cruising, a bluewater boat isn’t needed.

I’d go a step further and say that my Nordhavn 50 isn’t even going to make much difference in what weather windows I select compared to Kevin on his 4788. There aren’t many conditions that are comfortable on one and miserable on the other; if Kevin’s getting bounced around, I am too…I have the advantage of stabilization, he has the advantage of speed.

I should also add that even with all these miles, most of the time has been in pretty darn calm water and we’ve never been surprised by bad weather (it was always predicted).
 
My dreamboat is a Nordhavn 57 in good condition. Honestly, when the buy/sell dust settles, probably would be cheaper than restoring an old Willard 36 (though I have a slip that I own for Weebles). If Cheryll and I were to decide to spend serious time cruising, I'd consider a different direction. As I mentioned, I don't miss the space, I do wish for more waterline and slightly better access in the engine room.

Nordhavn et al are amazing boats. Very higu quality from a reputable builder with predictable resale potential. They come with a strong owner ecosystem. I admire folks like Guy with a Boat, Twisted Tree, and Retriever who chose them.

But like Kevin, there is a pretty steep barrier to entry that is beyond my comfort zone. Even for a 20+ year old N57, close to a million bucks for a starter boat. I totally understand wanting a boat like that for cruising even in protected waters. Where I push-back (along with Kevin) is when folks say you need a boat like that for coastal cruising. When someone pops-up and says they want to cruise the Caribbean, it's pretty common for someone in the TF audience to comment either how a standard-issue motoryacht/trawler is unsuitable; or how you really need a displacement boat like a Nordhavn. No doubt, all other things being equal, trip would be far more comfortable on a N57 than a Willard 36 (we may ship Weebles up the Caribbean - would just go on a N57, for example). But for many, the choice is either a Bayliner 4788 or not going. The trip is obviously possible on Kevin's Bayliner or our Willard. And you know what? We're having a great time, just have to be a bit more careful (thus may ship Weebles up the Caribbean).

Long way to say I love Nordhavns. I delivered a bunch of them and really liked the boats, the buyers, and the owners at PAE (Dan and Jim were my main contacts). It's a quality product. Nothing wrong with that. But you can venture a lot of places with a lessor boat, and I just sigh when people suggest otherwise.

Peter

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Weebles, I think you’re spot-on that for coastal cruising, a bluewater boat isn’t needed.

I’d go a step further and say that my Nordhavn 50 isn’t even going to make much difference in what weather windows I select compared to Kevin on his 4788.......

You know what's interesting is owners of high-quality boats like yours are not the ones saying they needed a tank - they bought it because they liked it, it fit their desires, and they could afford it. Just seems like it's the folks in the bleachers who have strong opinions on what someone needs. I wonder if it's some sort of projection - an excuse for never leaving the dock?
 
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We put a little over 600 hours on the engines since May this year and only 25% of that time was in deep water, so no real big waves to speak of. 8’ swells with 4’ wind chop is about all our dog will tolerate these days so we choose our windows accordingly. Nothing we did this year couldn’t have been done in a coastal cruiser as my wife has now started pointing out.

For this season by far the most challenging weather and seas have occurred at anchor. 6’ by 3s driven by a number of 65 knot line squalls. A broken mooring pennant again in 6 footers with 50 knots of wind (Ophelia). A Mega yacht next us dragged into three boats when the wind reversed direction as a front came through packing 60 knots. Bluewater or not all these conditions sucked eggs.

Over the last ten years there have been many times the admiral was glad we were on a bluewater boat but now she just insists that I do a better job on figuring out the weather.
 
Weebles, I think you’re spot-on that for coastal cruising, a bluewater boat isn’t needed.

I’d go a step further and say that my Nordhavn 50 isn’t even going to make much difference in what weather windows I select compared to Kevin on his 4788. There aren’t many conditions that are comfortable on one and miserable on the other; if Kevin’s getting bounced around, I am too…I have the advantage of stabilization, he has the advantage of speed.

I should also add that even with all these miles, most of the time has been in pretty darn calm water and we’ve never been surprised by bad weather (it was always predicted).


That's an interesting point. When I think toward potential future trips, the limits are often based on "do we have the fuel range to do that comfortably?" and "will the ride in the typical conditions for that area be miserable or will we spend forever and a half waiting for a suitable weather window?", especially as we're not stabilized. Whether the boat can handle the trip has never been a concern, as one of those other factors always becomes limiting before the boat's capability becomes a question.
 
Regarding choices in boats, IE Battleship vs Coastal Cruiser...

Honestly for many of us it comes down to time in the office paying for the more capable boat Vs going early in a boat that is sufficient.

This time, again for many of us, is measured in years of life.

I chose my Bayliner 4788 not because it was the best at anything. I chose it because it was a very comfortable patform for life, was sufficiently seaworthy to go where I wanted to go, and was economical enough to be able to retire at 60.

Now some might have taken different paths in life and might find themselves either making a more economical choice, or a more expensive one. Some might find that they can go earlier in life, some later. The amount of dollars each of us have for a boat, and the time in life that we are prepared to leave the office behind forever varies for each of us.

For me... Being a year and a half into retirement, I would not trade my Bayliner for all the Nordhavn's in the world if I had to sit in my office paying for it vs sitting in the marina in Mexico living the dream.

I have a lot of friends here on TF that will attest that I am the epitome of the Vagabond Cruiser. I wear nothing but shorts and flip flops, my skin is as brown as a native, and I fully embrace life in Margaritaville. It makes my stomach turn to even think about more years at work.

All that said, Scott's boat "Muirgen" is a perfect combination of cost Vs capability. What a fantastic boat!!!
 
All that said, Scott's boat "Muirgen" is a perfect combination of cost Vs capability. What a fantastic boat!!!

Agreed. Here she is - I forget where we were.

Peter
 

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For those who did some cruising this year, what was the worst conditions you encountered? I think the Beaufort scale remains a decent yardstick, albeit a bit rough.

The B-scale is a nice indicator, based on wind speed and big fetch driving seas of a certain size. But I don't take much stock in it.

Years ago, I was in (theoretically) B-9, with seas easily 25-30 feet, out in the Pacific. Yet there was zero wind blowing, not enough to fly a kite. My boat was handling it, but I could tell I was pushing the limits.

I kept in touch with Coast Guard, who asked me what the conditions were like, but there was no way I could reference Beaufort.

Lesson-learned, avoid snotty weather, but have a boat which can handle it if/when it hits you.

BTW, I've been wondering for years now what a "Weeble" is. I figure it's either a small beetle, or you love singing "Weebles wobble but they don't fall down."
 
The B-scale is a nice indicator, based on wind speed and big fetch driving seas of a certain size. But I don't take much stock in it.

Years ago, I was in (theoretically) B-9, with seas easily 25-30 feet, out in the Pacific. Yet there was zero wind blowing, not enough to fly a kite. My boat was handling it, but I could tell I was pushing the limits.

I kept in touch with Coast Guard, who asked me what the conditions were like, but there was no way I could reference Beaufort.

Lesson-learned, avoid snotty weather, but have a boat which can handle it if/when it hits you.

BTW, I've been wondering for years now what a "Weeble" is. I figure it's either a small beetle, or you love singing "Weebles wobble but they don't fall down."

The problem with the Beaufort Scale is also it's strength: it's the only game in town - there is no other yard stick without parsing information typical of the old saw about the blind men describing an elephant based on the parts they happen to touch.

As you note, the Beaufort Scale is really a shorthand notation of effect of unlimited fetch and duration on a given wind speed. Sometimes, seas are generated by storms 100's of miles away which I'd guess was the case of your monster seas. Probably long rollers spaced a minute or more apart that traveled very fast. A friend described the ride as an old Buick Roadmaster on a Country Road.

At the southern end of Mexico on the Pacific lies Gulf of Teuhentepec. Winds exceeding 60 kt from the NE (beam) are not unheard of. If you take the 'beach route' a mile offshore, you add about 35 nms to the journey - you'll still see very strong winds but no fetch. Force 3-4 conditions. If you cut across and end up 60 nms offshore when a "T-Pecker" hits, you could easily see Force 10+ conditions, big enough that decent sized ships have been lost. Same wind - with long fetch is Force 10. No fetch is Force 3.

Point being you have to use some discretion in how you interpret conditions. And I agree, the Beaufort Scale is not perfect. And it's more useful in open water, almost useless in protected waters.

Peter
 
In SEAK last summer, never saw more than maybe 4' wind waves, but we did have a 12' swell while running in the Dixon inlet from the west side of POW Island. It is always difficult to judge wave height, but based on the horizon disappearing in the troughs relative to my head height above water that was my estimate. Only blowing about 8 - 10, so 1' wind waves on top of that.
 
As most of you know we sail around in the Med, mostly Greece and Turkey this year. We spent a lot of time on the dry this summer, but getting to Turkey and coming out of Turkey we had to cross the Aegean sea and that one is infamous for the Meltemi winds. Meltemi winds can be very sudden and are very strong, can last up to a month and apparently the Greek meteo cannot forecast them. So in other words you are sailing blind, basically there is no need to check the weather, your guess is as good as mine.

In May we left the island of Schinousa, on our way to Kalymnos (close to Turkey) and according to the meteo we should have 2 Bft maximum. First 2 hours went fine, no problem, until we got to the island of Amorgos. We could see the windfield on the water, so expected 15 to 20 kts, but in less than 2 min the wind picked up to 40 - 45 kts. Still about 1 hour out of Amorgos we had no other option but to keep going, aiming for the South side of the island, hoping to find calmer winds there. Seas were picking up to 8 - 10', mostly beam on.
On the West side of Amorgos we made the turn to the South, aiming for the Southern coast which would give us protection from the Northerly winds. Unfortunately that did not happen, in fact the winds got stronger and we ended up with 61 kts gusting 67 kts, the whole boat was heeling over like a sailing vessel, due to the wind. Luckily we were close to the island so the seas could not gather any force to become worse. Turned around and searched for shelter, but in order to do that we had to get to the North side (open to the wind) of the island. Seas were quite horrendous, but were able to find a shelter in a bay on the West side of the island. Had to stay there for a couple of days with continuous 7 - 8 Bft. Around 90 mtr anchor chain in 4 mtr depth and 4 land lines to keep the stern to the shore. At that time still without stabilizers, so not a fun time.

Next encounter was in a quiet bay in Turkey near the village of Torba. Sunny afternoon, hardly any wind and around 5 PM all of a sudden the wind picked up to 56 kts, ripped off 2 solar panels, teared a sun shade apart and sent furniture flying. Wind was gone as fast as it came, turned out to be normal in that area, but we had never heard of it.

Next not so pleasant encounter was from the island of Nsiros to Symi (7 hour crossing) mid October this year. Weather forecast called for 15 kts wind until noon and then 2 - 5 kts for the rest of the day. Leaving Nsiros in the morning gave us the 15 kts Northerly wind, but already with heavy seas (6 - 8 feet, beam on). Stabilizers had to work hard.
Between Nsiros and Symi the wind did die down a bit, seas were comfortable, but then came the stretch along the Northern side of Symi to the North East corner in order to get to the safety of the main port in Symi.
Winds started to pick up to 20 kts, then 25 kts, then 30 kts, up to 35 kts and in the end we had over 40 kts steady beam on. The wind was not the problem, but I knew the seas were going to be the problem later on. We still had about 3 hours to go and in 3 hours that sea can build up to a very heavy sea. Near the North East point of the island we encounterd 10 - 12' waves coming from slighly behind on the port side. Stabilizers were working overtime, every wave that hit us sent vibrations through the whole boat. It took forever to cross the North East point of the island, but as soon as we turned the corner the seas were sort of calm. The wind was still there, but compared to what we had before it was nothing. Made it into the port without further problems, happy we had a strong boat to get us through that weather.

Subsequent encounter was recently (beginning of November) on our way from the island of Symi to Kos (eastern Aegean sea). After about a week of storms there would be a window of about 3 days before the next storm (which was forecasted to be even worse than what we had had) would arrive. That storm would bring winds from the South East and that meant that the port we were in was the wrong place to be. So we decided to go to the island of Kos, about a 7 hour trip with no shelter along the way (Turkish coast with no protection from the South), so had to wait for a good forecast. 15 kts predicted after several days of 11 - 12 Bft. Waited for one extra day to let the seas calm down, set out early morning. Immediately after we turned into the open sea we realized the forecast was off again. the 15 kts forecasted turned out to be 25 - 30 kts, but luckily the seas had not built up yet, so we decided to press on. Wind was supposed to turn to the South, which meant coming from behind, not problematic.
As soon as we made the turn around the Western point of the Turkish coast, heading North to the island of Kos the wind started to increase to 8 Bft and waves became higher as well, but luckily a following sea. However the last stretch in open water from the Turkish coast to the island of Kos the wind increased to 10 Bft, 51 kts gusting 56 kts and was now beam on (West North West). Then, on the South East point of Kos, which is already infamous for heavy winds, the wind increased to 12 Bft, waves got to 10 - 12' high, not bad if they are long, but these were short. SOG reduced to just 2.5 kts, which meant the last couple of miles took forever. There was one other boat out at sea that day, all other boats had already made it in time to port. And thus you realize that being able to go fast can sometimes be very good. We can't go fast, so we have to ride it out.
Docking was also interesting with 36 kts in the port, dropped over 100 mtr of chain that day in 5 mtr water.
We knew the Aegean can be quite difficult when it comes to wind and normally you would check the weather before you set out. Unfortunately in 3000 years the Greeks have not been able to come up with a reliable forecast, so situations like this happen on a daily basis. There are load of videos on Youtube of people getting surprised in the Aegean.
The storm that was forecasted for the day after our arrival in Kos did not arrive until 2 days later. However then the Greek meteo did not send out any warnings until the storm had arrived in full force. The storm was actually named Oliver, you can find videos online of Oliver destroying the Turkish coast. A lot of commercial vessels came to seek shelter on the lee side of the islands in the Aegean, but some ships simply could not get out of the way. Unfortunately a 110 mtr cargo vessel was caught by surprise and sank with the loss of 18 lives. Waves were reported at 30' in that area, the ship stood no chance. Another ship broke in half near the coast of Turkey and again another one sank in the Black Sea. It turned out to be a devastating storm. Glad we were not in it.

Due to the absense of a reliable forecast our decision is now to cross the whole Aegean next year in 1 day next season. We will wait for a dead calm period and then we will just go for it. We will have some shelters along the way, but the longest between islands will be 10 hours of sailing. If we then get confronted by 12 Bft again we could be in serious trouble. It is like gambling with your life, but crossing the Aegean in small legs of 4 - 5 hrs will result in a crossing that can last 1 or 2 months. Now we will make it a 36 hour crossing. Luckily we do have stabilizers now and that makes a difference.

And that will be the last time we will ever be in the Aegean sea. We now understand why it took Odysseus 20 years to make it home and since the Greek meteo is absolutely worthless we now worship Poseidon. At least he has 3000 years of experience in keeping sea farers safe.
Anyone thinking to come to Greece to sail the Aegean ? Bad idea, stick to the Ionian or stay in Turkey, but don't go into the Aegean.

We filmed all these encounters with our Gopro, will turn it into a video once we figure out how to edit videos and post them on Youtube. Hopefully it makes people think twice of going into the Aegean.
 
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