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Old 08-20-2019, 01:44 PM   #21
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Why doesn't some agency place markers directly onto the submerged obstacle. Like big poles with a sign on it, "This way to Davey Jone's locker".
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Old 08-20-2019, 01:48 PM   #22
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Why doesn't some agency place markers directly onto the submerged obstacle. Like big poles with a sign on it, "This way to Davey Jone's locker".
That would spoil the beauty of the cruising areas having signs everywhere.
They make charts instead.
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Canada believes in Darwinism, USA feels they can fix stupid.
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Silva Bay is a nightmare. Buoys everywhere and nowhere to anchor. When my kids were little we went there lots, now its a wasteland.

Its all our fault, US boats can be moored in Canada with no financial penalty and with our cheap dollar its a bargain. So many customers here the locals have been putting out buoys to avoid the marinas which are stupidly expensive and locals pay with local currency so no advantage for the home team. Therefore buoys, which, imho, have spoiled all the local anchorages and encouraged the proliferation of derelict boats, which are now not the owner’s problem any more but the taxpayer’s (me!). Unintended consequences as our useless politicians doze away with their expense accounts.

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Sometimes hitting the obvious isn't just done by stupid folks.

Imagine a clear full moon night, stars in the sky glittering away, the water as flat as flat can be. And I and my buddy in a 26 Tanzer sailboat, motoring into Gibsons on the Sunshine coast of BC. No problems with night vision as the full moon illuminated everything.

And I had lady luck and serendipity on my side, the rare occasion that has happened. A few years prior I had taken navigation at Fleet School in Esquimalt, a place to prepare junior officers for the Navy, watch keeping, seamanship, and all the pusser stuff. During one of the navigation lectures, the instructor talked about navigation using charts and ocean bottom as markers. This lecture was for some reason echoing in my head as I made my way to the marina in Gibson, bc.

So I looked at the chart and made a mental note of the bottom depth and decided that if the depth sounder began to go below 12 feet, I didn't know where I was. You would have thought this thinking ridiculous as Gibson is pretty obvious, so is Keats Island across from it, hard to get lost. But I clung to this notion of 12 feet, I do not know why. My buddy took over the helm and I went below to get a quick drink of pop as it had been a hot day and to relax a bit.

When I went back up, I took back the helm and looked forward at the harbour. What I didn't realize was the mast was blocking a navigation light on a rock directly in front of me. Since the water was dead calm the boat was not bouncing around and the mast hid the light. I had no idea what I was heading for.

But.......thank god.......... I looked down at the depth sounder and the bottom depth was rising quickly, very quickly, too quickly. At 8 feet, I pushed the tiller over hard realizing the situation was out of hand, even though everything appeared calm and normal.

As the boat swung around, I could have almost reached out and slapped the rock. After my heart stopped pounding so hard and I thought...thank you..thank you... thank you... that I had played the depth sounder game, I realized had we hit the rock everyone and their dog would have wondered how "that" boat hit a well marked rock with a light on it, on the perfect night. And who was skippering it?

And that some one would have been me.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:21 PM   #26
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I like it. And from an American!


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Old 08-20-2019, 07:35 PM   #27
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In the US side of the PNW, pretty much every rock and shallows is marked.

On the Canadian side, not every rock or shallows is marked. The danger appear on charts.

The marking of rocks diminish as you travel further north. Granted, Canada has a lot more rocks than the US but the Canadian government must feel that their boaters are more experienced and careful.
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:10 PM   #28
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...and in Mexico there must be no liability lawyers. I was amazed at how dangerous areas in public spaces weren't marked at all and/or had no fences, handrails, etc.
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The area around Haida Gaii is especially bad for uncharted shoals. Again, thank god for forward looking sonar.
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A rock just east of the Newcastle park buildings, close to the drying passageway, has claimed many boats. The last one we saw there years ago put a sleeping bag over the boat name on the transom. He was WAY out of the water at low tide.
I believe the drying passageway you refer to is on the south east end of Newcastle Island. Between Newcastle and Protection Island, which is the island that the Dingy Dock Pub is on. Right in that area is the dock for Newcastle and an area of mooring buoys rented by the natives. Just to the west of there is the main Vancouver Island, where all the marinas are located. Between there and Newcastle island is Newcastle Channel which runs parallel to the main island and connects Nanaimo Harbour on the south and Departure Bay (ferry terminal) on the north. Just into the channel from the south is Oregon Rock which claims many boats every year. And appropriately adjacent to Oregon Rock on Vancouver Island is the old Nanaimo Shipyard. Oregon Rock is marked with the red and green signs and lights to get by this huge rock in Newcastle Channel but this is where the confusion starts. RED RIGHT RETURN is established from the south, from Nanaimo Harbour. But you can also enter the channel from the north end via Departure Bay which makes the signs and lights wrong. Very confusing!
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Having traversed the area I must say it is it well marked with red and green markers to travel in between to avert confusion.
It is the cardinal buoys that are used which are less known that cause issues.
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Having traversed the area I must say it is it well marked with red and green markers to travel in between to avert confusion.
It is the cardinal buoys that are used which are less known that cause issues.
So in essence, stay between the markers least you be keel holed.
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:08 PM   #33
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So in essence, stay between the markers least you be keel holed.
Aye matey.
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