Why she is not sold yet ?

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long-cours.62 -- I am posting my response as constructive criticism since you asked for it. I hope you're not offended.

When you contacted me almost a year and a half ago as a referral from another client, I looked at the listing your broker had on YachtWorld and I sent you an email with specific comments on what I thought may have been problematic. In spite of him having had the listing for 2 years at that time and in spite of it "not available for co-brokerage," you were still determined that your friend was the best broker. I contacted you last February saying I didn't see her on YachtWorld and asking if she was still available.

I clicked on the for sale link in a post above and a pop-up appeared in French and it looked like it was asking me about cookies before proceeding. I couldn't read it, but that was as far as I got before clicking off.

Bottom line for me, and confirmed by many of your responses in this thread, I am not sure you are the best advocate for selling your boat. She's a tough boat to sell based on location, hull material, and condition. I suggest that you do serious research on finding an international professional and appropriate broker (present company excluded) and heed his advice.
 
Hello Judith you reaper ?
Yes I contacted you may more than one year and half.
You answer quickly to me and said " I will have lot of question " I reply ok no problem ask ....And don't heard nothing from you until I wrote that on one post .
After that you said " I don't contact you because on Yachtworld it is wrote "no co brokerage".
I confirm to you he is my friend no problem for co brokerage, I give you his personal phone and mail to contact him to confirm to you no problem with co brokerage and ....again no new until this message you send today.
I understand as specialist of metal boat you probably have an heavy charge of work.
I ask few time to my friend if he was contacted by you : no never.

But it is frequent with broker with lot of work they forgot . For example we made offer on two smaller metal boat in France no answer , try to phone to them 8 time , send email, sms, whatsApp no answer
during month when we was in France and our actual boat on hard stand, easy to manage with another boat ...Finally the same days both contacted us even one at night ....
Ah, ok I never saw your calls, messages, sms you can come to buy the boat ...Now our boat is back on the water it is high season we have not permanent berth ( because when we are on board we move with the boat sorry no possible at this moment.
In reality probably they thinking they had a customer and the transaction abort and after they "remeber us" .

Concerning you remark sure I am not the best advocate for selling our boat because I never lie or forgot to say if something is wrong. I am not a good advocate at all for selling something,
we was the first ( from an eternity ) to built boat in Vietnam 35 year ago if I was good for sell boat we could make a production there but I am not a commercial :)
I can make connection between two interested part for example when I heard Piriou shipyard want make a production in China I put them in contact with my Vietnamese friends and finally they made the shipyard in Vietnam. ( and even that I do just to give work / opportunity for my friends not at all for any money
It is probably why we are not rich people :cool:
I have a colleague who is a real commercial he is able to sell a pair of binocular to a blind people , he have a small boat yard in Ukraine, at this moment we could bring the boat here sure he is able to sell the boat for an interesting price .But I prefer say : need a total paint than do like he could make due a paint job with poor quality paint and make a thin coat of Alwgrip for finish and on advertising wrote " fresh total Alwgrip paint done" .
In France that for horse was named "Maquignon" .
When I read the post US people here it seams US is not at all a market for metal boat.
 
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Sorry I posted. This is not the place for private discussion, but as an fyi, I just counted 11 emails between us and then I didn't hear back. But you missed the point of why I posted in trying to be helpful with your current issues. But again, I feel it confirms part of the problem.

Admin: please feel free to delete any of my posts on this thread.
 
Great anchoring system. Can your boat be beached?
To give a better answer to your question you can see on the ...bad quality drawing
the front part is strong enough to "beach" the spacing beetween fram/floor is around 500mm the high of the floor is more than 1000mm that it is for the transversal on longitudinal you have 3 girder (?) central portside and starboard same 1000 mm hight ( some place less to the aft and more to the bow).
But in case of "beaching" the raw water inlet ( the circle 8 ) will be close to the bottom and probably impeller will not like to draw sand or mud.
To be clear the structure is strong enough to do that but I think it could be problematic
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Note the chain looker are not in contact with the hull, the looker are integrated 'tank"' in the bow the chain is not in contact with the hull plating
 
To give a better answer to your question you can see on the ...bad quality drawing
the front part is strong enough to "beach" the spacing beetween fram/floor is around 500mm the high of the floor is more than 1000mm that it is for the transversal on longitudinal you have 3 girder (?) central portside and starboard same 1000 mm hight ( some place less to the aft and more to the bow).
But in case of "beaching" the raw water inlet ( the circle 8 ) will be close to the bottom and probably impeller will not like to draw sand or mud.
To be clear the structure is strong enough to do that but I think it could be problematicView attachment 165425

Note the chain looker are not in contact with the hull, the looker are integrated 'tank"' in the bow the chain is not in contact with the hull plating
I should have asked the question better. Can your boat rest on its own bottom? I.e. tide goes out and you rest on the sea floor. I only mention this as a selling point. This was a selling point for my boat. When I read it, I knew the running gear would be protected from log strikes and a grounding. My stabilizers have a welded on deflector shield in front of the fin to direct rope/debris away from the fin gap. My shafts have spurs. These are all things I was looking for when I start long term remote cruising-all things that protect the boat. You are one step up with a aluminum boat that doesn’t rust. Your boat is big, which might intimidate a large group, but pointing out the positives of a big boat would attract the right group. I don’t think people appreciate, or understand the aspects of your aluminum boat. It’s the strongest selling point in my opinion. If you sold it as an expedition yacht and highlighted why it is, I believe you would be successful-especially when compared to the pricing of the other aluminum expedition yachts out there.
 
I should have asked the question better. Can your boat rest on its own bottom? I.e. tide goes out and you rest on the sea floor. I only mention this as a selling point. This was a selling point for my boat. When I read it, I knew the running gear would be protected from log strikes and a grounding. My stabilizers have a welded on deflector shield in front of the fin to direct rope/debris away from the fin gap. My shafts have spurs. These are all things I was looking for when I start long term remote cruising-all things that protect the boat. You are one step up with a aluminum boat that doesn’t rust. Your boat is big, which might intimidate a large group, but pointing out the positives of a big boat would attract the right group. I don’t think people appreciate, or understand the aspects of your aluminum boat. It’s the strongest selling point in my opinion. If you sold it as an expedition yacht and highlighted why it is, I believe you would be successful-especially when compared to the pricing of the other aluminum expedition yachts out there.
Unfortunately she can't do like the former boat we built Long-Cours 62
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At this moment the dagger board you can see on the deck was not yet in place but after we use them to stabilise the boat at low tide and we put a "sangle a cliquet" from the top of board to the step in the hull ( like the used by truck) to block them in force at the righ high
 
@long-cours.62 since your boat is aluminum and in need of a new paint job, how practical would it be to just have the hull topsides soda blasted (or sandblasted) back to bare aluminum and leave it exposed? Or perhaps do you remember if there was a large amount of filler compound applied to smooth it out, so it might not look good in bare aluminum?
 
You are right it is what we are thinking.
Let her like our former one hull bare alloy, remove the wood on the top of the bulwark
Weld in place alloy pipe 40x5 ( or at less 30x5) it will be helpfull for example to fix the fender and of course like handrail.
But let paint for the topside and deck because bare alloy under tropical sun ( and not only) it became quickly VERY hot .
Also they do at the building stage some harware in stainless steel it is better to have a like "yacht' look but it is not logic do the same in welded alloy will be better.
For the condition of the surface AFTER sandblasting ...we don't know if it same than the underwater aspect it will be normal ( you know you put water on your hull to see the real aspect of the surface.
Our former one the surface was perfect but the plating above WL was 10mm, the frame spacing was 930mm and the stiffener spacing was around 250mm ( change between middle to the bow or stern)
it means less ' contraintes" due to the welding.
The 8mm Sealium after welding have the same strength than the 10 mm ( in reality equivalent to 9.2mm in 5083H111) .
The only question : don't know the real aspect of the alloy behind filler smooth or not ?
It is another point I don't understand boatyard if they put 10mm they don't need any filler, but they use 8 mm sometime even 6 mm and after use X mm of filler .At the end in weight I could be similar but in manpower it is lot of more and in filler also $$.
Sure only keep the deck and the cabin painted , remove the wood put tube on the top of bulwark, even some step in the "wall' to maximise the "explorer look" ....with far less maintenance.
After sandblasting if you use the sand already used and do a light sandblasting with this sand already 'broken' you have a nice soft aspect in French we say "satiné".
 
Clearly I don't try I could do that with our former LC62, becausei the base at the max was near 1 large, the thicness was 16mm, and we had 2 daggerboard to stabilise.
The structure of the actual is strong enough but don't want to try she is relatively heavy and big
Find a photo to illustrate the way used to stabilise our former Long-Cours 62
On her :
flat bottom 900mm at the larger point
two skeg
base of the ruder
and the 2 dagger board

With this 6 point don't need nothing more stand up alone in safety

And the way used to put daggerboard in "pressure" to the ground basic but never out of working :)
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After sandblasting if you use the sand already used and do a light sandblasting with this sand already 'broken' you have a nice soft aspect in French we say "satiné".
I like this. If leaving the aluminum bare then "softening" it like this would be a great idea. And if you still have the energy, follow that with a strong buffing with aluminum polish (mag-wheel, Mothers, etc.) to try to pull out some shine.

Granted I've only owned one alum boat previously, but I was turned off by the AL oxide (powder) and the looks weren't great. Perhaps a good compromise is a bare AL hull, but with painted deck/deckhouse. Those upper areas can be touched up, sanded or painted without haul out, plus will look prettier :)
 
The look of our Former Long-Cours when the hull was new ....
But to check the aspect I prefer they don"t sanding the alloy lrt it with the surface shining you can eventually see all the small defect after sanding it mask a lot, you must put water on the hull to really see the quality or not of the alloy work but his one was in 10 and 12 mm...
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Inlearned how to back a single engine boat because I listened to advise and practiced what they said. I now consider myself an expert.
I tried to give advise to tjose who just didn’t get it. They ignored it and kept doing what tjey tjought would work, but it didn’t.
I stopped giving advice to those who would not listen. I just went on the bow and protected my boat.
 
Inlearned how to back a single engine boat because I listened to advise and practiced what they said. I now consider myself an expert.
I tried to give advise to tjose who just didn’t get it. They ignored it and kept doing what tjey tjought would work, but it didn’t.
I stopped giving advice to those who would not listen. I just went on the bow and protected my boat.
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They said because she is a one off model and she is too big for people able to put half million US and not new enough for people able to put half million+crew+ maintenance.
They said in this size people are "affraid" to manage themself and need crew.
Unfortunately, I think the broker hit the nail on the head with this concern. I see this in the US market too. Older 65'+ foot yachts that may still be beautiful (even boat house kept since new) sit on the market for years because there just isn't a market. People out looking for a 65'+ foot yacht have money and want something newer (e.g., they can spend 2-3 times (or more) than the $500k to $750k asking price, so don't even look at those yachts).

Example - https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1999-wendon-skylounge-630-9301030/

This Wendon has been on the market for about a year. It has been boat house kept since new and appears to be a beautiful boat (should need very little to go cruising). Having been aboard a few Wendon yachts, I can attest to the excellent build quality and typically highend components (when new). That said, even in the PNW very few people know Wendon yachts (despite having been build in Sidney, BC). Also, Detroit Diesels would not be my favored power plant but at least these have relatively low hours.

Need to find the right niche and market the boat to that niche.

Agree with most of the comments regarding marketing - people need to see great pictures these days.
 
Hi @LC, wondering what conclusion you've reached and what your plans are next?
 
Hello Mako;

Find a customer ? :)
Really for two old people it is too much boat.
Now we just arrived in Spain , let Minorca this morning . 2 engine at 1150 rpm average speed 8.95kts.
We are dreaming at an extrem kiss boat.
 
Now we are in south of Spain,
we will refuelling in Gibraltar but unfortunately with the situation in midle east the price we will rise a lot :)
After that...as wrote earlier moving north to Lisbonne ( to let the boat few month)
or move south to Canaria , let the boat also for fews month and after heading ouest but after the advice received here it seams it could be even more difficult to sale the boat in USA.
Yesterday we meet people who built an extreme kiss electric catamaran, a small one as prototype and they already built the hull for a ( little ) bigger one 8m...unfortunately, they go away few month to bring back the rest of equipment and their hulls ....disappear stole !

Ok their boat is too extremely KISS for us but something between our actual and their cat will be good enough
 
And NOW turn left or turn right ? :)
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Where will be the customer ? North or South ?
 
I’d say turn right, if anything, your vessel is wired for European electricity
 
The problem isn't the boat's location
It was because some "potential" customer refused to come in ...Tunisia afraid by the country :)
Some said Sardaigna it is not useful enough to come to see the boat .
Where we was it was very complicated to enter because a well "sensible protected area".

At less for the people our boat have a "problem" they can see she ...sail :cool:
But here I think British also bring the London fog !!
 
turn right Holland or France....only dutch and french like aluminum boats, maybe some germans too. your boat in 55 ft would sell.....
 
If we cut all "overhang" ( aft platform and "delphiniere" ( sorry in French) may be we could decrease to 67.5 '
After that no choice transform the bow like a Diesel Duck or Puffin bow and she will be only 63 feet :)
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As you can see we follow your advice turn right :)
We will stay in this area for around 2 week waiting the visit of a "potential " customer.
We will see... and let know to you
 
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