Waiting for Weather in Panama (Lots of Pictures)

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A friend invited us to crew with them aboard their Nordhavn 55 up the Caribbean from Colon Panama to Cancun MX. We arrived in Panama 2-weeks ago and have been waiting for a break in the weather ever since. We used the time to travel through the country and spending quite a bit of time in Panama City which is a very large and mostly modern city.

It's just under 1000 nms from Colon to Cancun - just under 6-days. But there are two distinct weather systems - the SW Caribbean near Panama and Colombia; and the upper Caribbean along the Yucatan Penninsula. The lower Caribbean near Colombia is dominated by a persistant low pressure zone that really kicks-up seas and winds. Muirgen (TF member @slowgoesit ) waited over three weeks last year and still didn't get a great window. So we'll plan a bail-out at Cayman Islands if needed. Also possible we will bypass Mexico and head east towards Jamaica and up through the Grand Bahama Bank between Cuba and the Bahamas.

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This coming Tuesday, April 8th, looks like the bug-out date so we've arrived at the boat to get ready. Shelter Bay Marina is located on the grounds of the old US Military Base "Fort Sherman." If you or anyone you know was 'in-country' in Vietnam during the war, they more than likely made a stop at the JWTC at Fort Sherman - Jungle Warfare Training Center. The US Army exited the base when the Canal Zone transferred to Panama in 1999.

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About 95% of the boats here are sailboats, a third of those are catamarans.

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Here's a smattering of the powerboats here - some are fairly large and to be expected but there are a few that may surprise many including a Bayliner 45/47 which would be near and dear to TF's @ksanders. Unlike his boat, this one looks a bit tired.

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Another unlikely boat - a Bestway 45 also looking a bit tired.

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A Sea Master 47 owned by a New Zealand couple that is for sale for $160k.

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A Defever 53 that is a fellow Panama Posse boat and we've tracked since last year.

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Here's a Moorings 41-foot Powercat. Note how low the bridge deck is - I'm sure it pounds mercilessly in any chop. Upside is there is likely a lot of interior space. At the boat show docks, you wouldn't see the bow.

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Another Power Cat though this one is made for distance cruising. Guessing it was built in NZ or Oz. I'm awful at guessing boat length but would guess it at 75-feet long. It's a small boat for it's LOA as it has an enormous open air cockpit area in back. It's fairly low - I'd be interested in comments from other PC owners as some of the Malcom Tennant designs I've see have pretty high bows and more bridge-deck clearance.

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Other notable boats I've seen:

Hatteras 58 that came down from Seattle area and is headed to Florida.
Delta Marine mega-yacht. Must be 150-feet long and has two 21-foot center console fishing boats on its aft deck
A very interesting 75-ish foot custom motoryacht that looks to be metal and perhaps an Ed Monk design. It's US flagged.

More to follow.....

Peter
 
Greetings,
Mr. mv. NICE!. Interesting aside: The "Seamaster 47" for sale by the NZ couple might be a pretty rare vessel. AFAIK, Cheoy Lee only made 5 of these IF it is a CL. Can't remember exact figures but I think they had trans-Pacific range.
 
Greetings,
Mr. mv. NICE!. Interesting aside: The "Seamaster 47" for sale by the NZ couple might be a pretty rare vessel. AFAIK, Cheoy Lee only made 5 of these IF it is a CL. Can't remember exact figures but I think they had trans-Pacific range.

I am mistaken - it's a Sea Ranger, not a Sea Master.


I was aboard a CL Sea Master a couple years ago. Interesting boat - fiberglass tanks and yes, it has trans-ocean range and capabilities. Here's one that's been for sale in Mazatlan for a couple years, price has dropped to $50k. Looks a bit rough but I'm surprised it's still for sale.


Peter
 
Greetings,
Mr. mv. Ah. The raised aft deck on the Sea Ranger had me guessing as the Seamaster had a trunk cabin aft.
 
I was aboard a CL Sea Master a couple years ago. Interesting boat - fiberglass tanks and yes, it has trans-ocean range and capabilities. Here's one that's been for sale in Mazatlan for a couple years, price has dropped to $50k. Looks a bit rough but I'm surprised it's still for sale.


Peter
That Sea Master is indeed salty-looking. Duct tape over the lazarette hatch a bit discouraging, though!
 
Peter, That DeFever 53 looks like "Tidings of Joy". If so, please say hi to them from us!
 
Peter, That DeFever 53 looks like "Tidings of Joy". If so, please say hi to them from us!
It is Tidings of Joy. I haven't met them yet - they just rolled in yesterday. I seem to recall you guys were sequestered together in Bahia del Sol El Salvador. Good looking boat.

Peter
 
Peter: We waited 5 weeks this time of year to get from Santa Marta to Aruba. Our criteria was less than 20 knots of wind 2 meter seas. We finally left and still got beat up.

How have things changed in Panama since you were last there?
 
Peter: We waited 5 weeks this time of year to get from Santa Marta to Aruba. Our criteria was less than 20 knots of wind 2 meter seas. We finally left and still got beat up.

How have things changed in Panama since you were last there?

I spent 36-hours in Panama when I was here in 2004 so didn't get much of a visit. But apparently the city was a forest of cranes after 1999 when the Canal transferred. The Canal has been incredibly prosperous to Panama. I don't recall when you came through, but if it was pre-1999, the Pedro Miguel Yacht Club is long gone. Also, "Casco Viejo," the historic part of the city would have been blighted if you came through more than about 10-years ago. I've been to a bunch of places in Central America though not Mexico City. Panama City is, by far, the easiest place to provision - the grocery stores have absolutely everything.

I know of another boat that just made the trip from Santa Marta to Aruba - a Nordhavn 63. They got beat-up too. I've been nervous about the weather for Weebles since I started tracking it a year ago.

Thanks Larry - Peter
 
We left Panama in 2012 after 10 months there. It was a great stop . The duty free zone and availability of anything you needed was pretty amazing. A lot of history as you know. Have a great trip and thanks for posting.

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The N55 looks like a fine boat for the trip. Hope you catch a window that suits the boat and its crew! Of course the ocean will be all motion, no matter what. Post along the way if you can, and safe traveling. Look forward to learning how it goes.
 
We didn't have any issues in Panama City, felt totally safe wherever we went, but regarding Colon, we were told not to venture more than two blocks away from the bus station for our own safety. The bus driver from Shelter Bay reiterated this as well.
If you went to a particular store by Cab, the Cabby would beep their horn, and ask that you not leave the cab until the people at the store opened the door and gave you the all clear. Same goes for getting back in the cab. The store didn't unlock the door until the cab was there to pick you up, and beeped his horn.
I don't have any PROOF that it was unsafe, just relating what we told, and what we experienced in March of 2024. It may have changed in last 12 months though . . . YMMV

Peter, Jeff and Joy on Tidings of Joy are good people!
 
I am mistaken - it's a Sea Ranger, not a Sea Master.


I was aboard a CL Sea Master a couple years ago. Interesting boat - fiberglass tanks and yes, it has trans-ocean range and capabilities. Here's one that's been for sale in Mazatlan for a couple years, price has dropped to $50k. Looks a bit rough but I'm surprised it's still for sale.


Peter
CRACKERJACK was based in Sequim Bay, WA for years before those owners came along. They put in a bunch of sweat equity before they departed, around 2021-2022. I believe they are the second owners.
 
Tomorrow is departure day. I'm a bit nervous. I've been up the Caribbean before in a similarly strong boat but that was well over 20-years ago and I'm just out of practice. Our planned route is almost 1000 nms from Panama to Isla Mujeres (Cancun area) and will take almost 6-days. The first 3-1/2 days will be pretty bumpy with 5-6 footers at 7-seconds about 45-degrees off the starboard bow.

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Why are we swinging so far to the northeast? Couple reasons - first, to stay far away from Nicaragua and Honduras where suspicious activities have been reported (including by TF's own @slowgoesit ). This route keeps us in Colombian territorial waters. Second, this provides optionality. The boat will end up north of South Carolina on the US east coast before June 1's Hurricane date. The owners want to see the Yucatan but if weather doesn't cooperate, we'll head east around Jamaica and up the Bahamas.

Weather. I use PredictWind, though the owner has contracted with Chris Parker for detailed analysis. Parker is quite good, though the forecasts are skewed towards sailing vessels with emphasis on wind vs sea state (waves) so you have to dig a bit to get the info needed. Waves are forecast to be 1m-2m for the entire trip with average wind speed around 15-kts and gusts to 25-kts.

Boat prep. The owner is incredibly knowledgeable and festidious about prep. This is a Nordhavn 55 and he keeps a lengthy checklist of stuff to do prior to departure. Top-off fuel ($4/gal), oil changes, sea strainers cleaned, storm-plates on windows and ports (pic below), route planning, emergency planning (more on that in a moment), jacklines, double-checking deck-mounts (dinghy, anchor, etc.), check all hose clamps, clean bilges, and so much more.

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Emergency Planning. This boat has three means of satellite comms: Starlink (primary); IridiumGO; and InReach. There is a high level of concern about pirates which has prompted in-depth planning. We will be running dark - no AIS and limited vessel lighting. Personally I think this is over-kill given the route but as I am crew, I fully support the decision. I won't go into self-defense arrangements because these are highly personal and can be a bit inflammatory. But in general, our plan if we are in a suspicious situation is to (1) contact USCG by phone (Group Miami first, then Puerto Rico if no answer, the Group Alameda (San Francisco) as they have coordination capabilities). If no joy from USCG, then Colombia's navy ("Armada Nacional"). We also have contact numbers for other countries (HERE). After making contact with SAR, in hopes the suspicious bad-actors are listening on VHF, we'll issue a "Pan-Pan" alerting of suspicious activity and informing that SAR resources have been engaged.

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We'll see how it goes. More to follow.......

Peter
 
CRACKERJACK was based in Sequim Bay, WA for years before those owners came along. They put in a bunch of sweat equity before they departed, around 2021-2022. I believe they are the second owners.
I haven't met the owners. The boat looks a bit tired but I'm guessing it could be made cruise ready without too much fuss. There are quite a few boats for sale here. My guess is they will sell at a sizeable discount. It's a bit risky to buy a boat a long ways from home, but for the fairly knowledgeable boater, good deals can likely be found. Caution advised but if is possible.

Peyer
 
All the talk about pirates and suspicious activity brings a question to mind. I'm fairly well versed in the regulation for transporting firearms between AK & WA for hunting and defensive purposes. Are there similar means to declare and transport firearms in the Caribbean? Not a lot of grizzlies down there but the pirates sound intimidating.
Thanks,
Kevin
 
All the talk about pirates and suspicious activity brings a question to mind. I'm fairly well versed in the regulation for transporting firearms between AK & WA for hunting and defensive purposes. Are there similar means to declare and transport firearms in the Caribbean? Not a lot of grizzlies down there but the pirates sound intimidating.
Thanks,
Kevin
Na, probably not a good idea. The laws of most of those countries make it very difficult to travel with a firearm and failure to disclose will land you in a jail you really don't want to be in and your boat impounded.
 
We received a favorable weather report from Chris Parker late morning and decided to leave today instead of tomorrow morning. Took a few hours to clear migration in Panama and get the boat ready to leave. I have to say that dealing with twin 50-amp shore power cords, 1-inch long dock lines, and a lot of pretty large fenders takes some effort on the heat and humidity of Panama. But we're underway - ETA Isla Mujeres: 12:00pm Sunday.

Attached is the radar as we left the canal area and cleared the breakwater. Ton of ships at anchor.

Peter
 

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It's 6am and we've been underway for 13 hours. 100 nms at around 7-kts. Roughly 10% of the way to Isla Mujeres (Cancun). Seas are forecast at 5' at 7 seconds which is about what we're seeing. Comes and goes a bit. "Avg of the highest one third" seems to mean that every several minutes there is a set of a half dozen waves that are noticeably bigger. And of course they are are on our nose. Moving around the boat is difficult and sleep won't happen until near exhaustion that induced Dali-like dream sequences. It's uncomfortable but well within safety margin for this boat. Weebles would be a different matter. Safe? Yes. But well past the acceptable comfort rating.

This is the part of cruising that better resembles a delivery.

Peter

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We left Panama almost 26-hours ago. Weather has finally started to lay-down a bit though it wasn't bad before (5' 7-secs). Still in the 4-5 foot range but stretched out a bit. We have six people onboard - three have had some level of seasickness, the rest have had some level of lethargy from seasickness medicine (myself included).

We picked up an adverse current earlier today so speed has been in the mid-6 knot range for much of the day. We ran 165 NMS over the 24-hr period so averaged 6.9 kts with a fuel burn around 5.5 gph. Day after tomorrow we should pickup the Gulf stream and I'm still thinking our arrival to Isla Mujeres at midday Sunday.

With exception of two small Colombian islands (San Andres and Providencia), Panama is the closest land at 175 NMS over the stern.

Peter
 

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It's 2:30am and I came on watch a half hour ago. Underway 31 hours and 238 nm behind us.

A few hours ago we had two vessels 12nms and 16nms off our port beam that piqued our interest as they were large enough to give a juicy radar reflection but had no AIS running. Personally, I don't worry about much unless it's within 5nms or so - it's a big ocean and you can't worry about everything. Don't get me wrong - I'm happy to know what's out there but probably won't track it closely, at least in open waters. But given our course selection was heavily influenced by fear of piracy, our boat was on edge. Those two ships must have felt our tension as they turned on their AIS.

But here's an interesting learning experience. The person at our helm "acquired" the two targets via radar. Radar will do it's best to calculate the speed and direction of a target but here's the rub: It's not very accurate so have to consider it differently than AIS provided data which comes from the hosts nav systems. Big difference in accuracy - digital clock compared to an analog clock with only an hour hand. But the data is presented the same so you have to know that they aren't the same as AIS data - CPA and TCPA (closest point of approach and time to CPA). Even with a decent radar, at the distance of 12-16 miles, the radar calc'd data swings wildly so you think the target vessel is doing crazy stuff.

Difference between data and information.

Peter
 
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But here's an interesting learning experience. The person at our helm "acquired" the two targets via radar. Radar will do it's best to calculate the speed and direction of a target but here's the rub: It's not very accurate so have to consider it differently than AIS provided data which comes from the hosts nav systems. Big difference in accuracy - digital clock compared to an analog clock with only an hour hand. But the data is presented the same so you have to know that they aren't the same as AIS data - CPA and TCPA (closest point of approach and time to CPA). Even with a decent radar, at the distance of 12-16 miles, the radar calc'd data swings wildly so you think the target vessel is doing crazy stuff.

Difference between data and information.

Peter
I'm curious what radar? I don't think I've ever tried to track something that far away.
 
I'm curious what radar? I don't think I've ever tried to track something that far away.
The owner did an electronics refresh three years ago. All I know is ots Furuno BB with max range is 96 NMS - I assume it's a 6-ft open array.

Owner is quite knowledgeable but I think it's easy to fall into patterns. It's easy to get used to the precision of AIS - if there's a triangle, you know what's there with speed and course.

Bottom line is it's possible to tag an object that far away with this radar but information is misleading so it's actually counterproductive.
 
Accuracy of radar ARPA / MARPA calculations depends a lot on good a heading source you have, as that's critical to the calculation. Better heading data leads to better accuracy.
 
Accuracy of radar ARPA / MARPA calculations depends a lot on good a heading source you have, as that's critical to the calculation. Better heading data leads to better accuracy.

This boat has full sat compass setup. In the end, this is a trigonometry problem solving for very small changes in angle of two objects that are both moving in XYZ dimensions. There's a limit to accuracy. At longer ranges, rather than tagging and relying on TCPA/CPA, might be better to go old school with EBL/VBL lines until you're closer. Or better yet, ignore it until a situation warrants closer inspection. It's a big ocean. Pretty easy to drive yourself nuts with worry if you're not patient.

Peter
 
Even a new furuno FAR unit would have a radar horizon of about 7 miles on this boat. Our 2007 drs 12 kw can paint 100' high targets out to 12 miles and often cumulonimbus clouds to 16. As far as tracking them, you can do it, if you hold your mouth right. I like AIS but class b is less than optimal for collision avoidance.
 
It seems like it would be good to have a visual indication of whether the target is tracked by AIS or radar returns only. If radar returns only, it seems like a algorithm to average the course and speed over a period of time would be beneficial. Even better if the averaging interval increased with distance.
 
We made the decision to turn off AIS due to piracy concerns even though are well east of any reported trouble spots . But there's no free lunch - mitigate one safety risk and create another. In this case, under a normal crossing situation, we had to fill in the blanks that our AIS would normally provide.

Veseel "Turmoil," a tanker and the burdened vessel, will cross our bow in a few minutes. He probably has us visually on radar (which, in all fairness, is plenty) but doesn't have our AIS data to easily hail us if desired. So I hailed him on VHF and gave course and speed and offered to alter course if desired. He took a moment to plot out relative courses and replied that we would cross with over half mile of clearance which is what happened.

I never really thought through the implications of running dark but it does shift some responsibility.

Peter
 

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