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Anyone thinking of cruising in or near Venezuela ought to read this. It may be paywalled - 62-year old man single handing a catamaran wrecked his boat on the coast of Venezuela and was wrongfully detained until recently freed in a prisoner swap:

WSJ article
 
Saw that, not surprised. Standing on principle, might have to modify that if it really means freedom. Stay away from socialist, communist, corruption be it people or places.
 
At less one advantage in Venezuela ...the price for refuelling !! :)
 
sounds like there may be more to the story here.

You wreck your boat after being kicked out of the country you thank the fking president if they ask. Sounds like an attitude got in the way.
 
You do like Admiral Jeremiah Denton did, and film the propaganda video while blinking out the word “torture” in Morse code.
Morse code
 
I would say that he ... found out. A series of bad decisions led to that. Also, his nickname was Tambo, a combo of Terminator and Rambo, so maybe there is a personality factor there. And he named his boat after himself. He was asking for it. : )
 
Anyone thinking of cruising in or near Venezuela ought to read this. It may be paywalled - 62-year old man single handing a catamaran wrecked his boat on the coast of Venezuela and was wrongfully detained until recently freed in a prisoner swap:

WSJ article
The next time someone tells you how bad America is, point them towards this incident. As Churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others."
 
I found a non-paywalled version of the story. Here, is the TLDR version:


"........he was boarded by the Venezuelan coast guard and his vessel searched for drugs for hours.

They told him to turn back and leave the country's waters, but after a long day he fell asleep at the wheel and his catamaran ran aground"


Yes, if you're advised to leave their territorial waters, then later are found on their shore, they take that very seriously. If this were to happen in the US the EXACT SAME reaction would be received from our authorities as well. He should have plotted as northerly a course as possible and kept on sailing.
 
The next time someone tells you how bad America is, point them towards this incident. As Churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others."
And Platon said : the democratie is the step just before thyranie...
 
If this were to happen in the US the EXACT SAME reaction would be received from our authorities as well.

Probably would not have gone down that way in US. The skipper sought "Right of Innocent Passage," a provision in international maritime law that allows temporary anchoring for purposes of emergency or weather. Virtually all countries are signatories to these rules so more than likely Venezuela is.

The problem is local law enforcement may not be aware of Innocent Passage rights so rousted the guy. In the US, LEO would very likely know the law, though they may have searched anyway which is their right.

The port of Chahue MX (Huatulco) is the jumping off point to cross Gulf of Tuhentepec. While I was there last year, a French flagged sailboat came in. He had arrived non-stop from Coos Bay OR (4000 miles? More? Looooong passage) and only stopped to wait out weather south through T-Pecs notorious waters. He didn't plan on stopping in Mexico and didn't have a TIP so the harbor master gave him a hard time, detaining him for several days and forcing him to get a TIP which was no easy task there - not many boats need one. After several taxi rides and talks with the Port Captain in La Cruz, they declared he had entered to avoid weather therefore granted Right of Innocent Passage and sent him on his way without further adieu. No TIP needed.
Peter
 
I lived for over 30 years on the island of Curacao, which is just of the coast of Venezuela. In the 90's I visited Venezuela a few times, but already then it was a dangerous country. After Chavez came to power, followed by Maduro, who wrecked the country there is a negative travel advise for Venezuela. It is a country where you just don't go anymore. Perhaps you can still get away with the Aves Islands, but mainland Venezuela is an absolute no-go area.
Same goes basically for Colombia, that is also a country to avoid. Crime is rampant there, many armed robberies) of boats owned by foreigners, police will not do anything. Curacao is also not a safe island for boaters, you may get uninvited visitors at night as well.
So anyone thinking about going to Venezuela, Surinam, Colombia etc, just don't do it, your life is much more valuable than the few bucks you can save on fuel. There is nothing to see in these countries anymore, it has all gone to pieces.
 
Probably would not have gone down that way in US. The skipper sought "Right of Innocent Passage," a provision in international maritime law that allows temporary anchoring for purposes of emergency or weather. Virtually all countries are signatories to these rules so more than likely Venezuela is.

The problem is local law enforcement may not be aware of Innocent Passage rights so rousted the guy. In the US, LEO would very likely know the law, though they may have searched anyway which is their right.

The port of Chahue MX (Huatulco) is the jumping off point to cross Gulf of Tuhentepec. While I was there last year, a French flagged sailboat came in. He had arrived non-stop from Coos Bay OR (4000 miles? More? Looooong passage) and only stopped to wait out weather south through T-Pecs notorious waters. He didn't plan on stopping in Mexico and didn't have a TIP so the harbor master gave him a hard time, detaining him for several days and forcing him to get a TIP which was no easy task there - not many boats need one. After several taxi rides and talks with the Port Captain in La Cruz, they declared he had entered to avoid weather therefore granted Right of Innocent Passage and sent him on his way without further adieu. No TIP needed.
Peter
In 1993 we even anchored twice in ...China ( RPC) first anchorage was in Hai Nan for night and part of the day to waiting the tide, and second one was in Chinese islands before arrived in HK.
No problem at all, we tried before to get a visa in Hanoi but near impossible , the only precaution was : we said to the Chinese embassy we will pas and may be stop in this area.
We was in Venezuela in the mid 80', at sea no problem at all. In city it was the contrary even at night car don't stop for the traffic signal because afraid to be car jacked... A colleague was stolen" just" at the door of the French embassy If you "forget" to inform the authorities you can have problem everywhere, example a Frrench guy in the (try) way to North Pole , for mechanicial reason they turn back and stop in the North of Svalbarg...it is a natural reserve , and don't inform clearly the Norvegian : boat sized and towed , court and jail (for little time), penalty, dog in quarantine (luckily they don't kill the dog !) Finally he escape with his boat and take refuge in Russian area ...:)
 
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I lived for over 30 years on the island of Curacao, which is just of the coast of Venezuela. In the 90's I visited Venezuela a few times, but already then it was a dangerous country. After Chavez came to power, followed by Maduro, who wrecked the country there is a negative travel advise for Venezuela. It is a country where you just don't go anymore. Perhaps you can still get away with the Aves Islands, but mainland Venezuela is an absolute no-go area.
Same goes basically for Colombia, that is also a country to avoid. Crime is rampant there, many armed robberies) of boats owned by foreigners, police will not do anything. Curacao is also not a safe island for boaters, you may get uninvited visitors at night as well.
So anyone thinking about going to Venezuela, Surinam, Colombia etc, just don't do it, your life is much more valuable than the few bucks you can save on fuel. There is nothing to see in these countries anymore, it has all gone to pieces.

As an FYI, Colombia is currently a popular cruising destination, at least for international cruisers (Americans find it difficult to get insurance coverage - even for liability). Caribbean Safety & Security Network (HERE) is the clearinghouse for cruiser-related security and safety related issues.

We are strongly considering visiting Colombia next year (though not Venezuela due to security concerns). We have spent a lot of time in places where conventional Western wisdom (and the US State Dept) advises 'do not go.' Make no mistake, there is elevated risk in visiting developing countries even if you manage it by avoiding bad habits such as night-clubbing, drugs, and sex trade activities. Compared to the US, my biggest gripe about traveling in Mexico is you just don't know who's wearing the 'white hats' due to corruption. But for us, the 'juice is worth the squeeze' because the return is cultural enrichment that has changed our worldview (and frankly, is a great diversion from first world issues such as jockeying for a place in the pickup line at the high school: don't kids walk anymore??). We have come to love and respect America not out of arrogance, fear, and hubris, but because of what this country has accomplished. Although I still work hard to reduce my taxes, the significant tax base here results in a wonderful quality of life that few share - our street lights work, highways have signs, culverts divert water, public parks have mowed grass, and many more tiny things that make this a beautiful country.

Our new home in Florida is the epitome of safety and convenience which is great - a big benefit for us because it means we can leave it for long periods and travel to places including Colombia, Panama, Mexico, El Salvador, and other places. For us, retreating to the safety of western suburbia has it's merits, but leads to a boring existance that won't inspire an interesting eulogy when the time comes.

Long rant to say there are ways to reduce risk to acceptable levels and don't paint with too broad of a brush. Viewed from aboard, the US is no great shakes - we have concealed carry gun laws which is shocking to many people. We have mass shootings, car jackings, and all sorts of violent crimes. Some of our cities rival the world's most dangerous.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Stay at home - and die a boring life.

Peter
 
Interesting some place we are thinking "safe" are not at all, and some time our homeland is even less safe than lot of another countries ...


Crime Rate by Country 2024
Most dangerous cities in the world 2024 | Statista
Murder rate by country 2023 | Statista
World Crime Rate & Statistics 2000-2025

Comparing countries is a bit difficult because it really depends on where you go. Cities aren't too much different. The cities listed are mostly MX/US border cities we'll know for brutal drug related violence. Don't go there, and if you do, don't decide to hit a club at midnight looking to score some drugs.

I'm reminded of the story of five blindfolded men describing an elephant. The who touches the tail describes a snake like creature. The one who feels the leg describes tree. The belly is likened to a barn door. (Bonus Question - what did the guy who felt the trunk describe?).

When I read the original WSJ article on the sailor who got roughed up by the Venezuelan police, my sense was he felt he had experience to understand where to go and where to avoid. I do too - so despite my posts here urging folks to travel, I'm not blind to the risks. Honestly, while VZ is not on my list, this could have happened anywhere. More likely on VZ, very unlikely on US (though Black drivers in the south might disagree with me. At least before the widespread use of body cams). Mexico is somewhere in between.

Travel is a lot of fun. My mom was a traveler. Before passing at 92, the last memories that penetrated the fog of old age were of travel related experiences. You don't get that by not venturing outside your comfort zone.

Peter
 
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