Transient Vessel not registered in any state/USCG Documented

[twistedtree]

Check with the NVDC if you think you have a valid USCG Documentation, if you tell them that you also have a state registration in any state on that same vessel, they will invalidate your USCG Doc. which also invalidates your First Preferred Ship Mortgage filed with the NVDC if you have one. This will piss off your lender if you have one. And if you insured your boat as being US Flagged vessel i.e. USCG Doc. your insurance may be invalid as well. You can probably coast for years like this but have one injury accident and/or one significant damage claim you may be dead meat.

This is simply not true. A documented boat can, and in many cases must also be state registered. What is NOT allowed, as has been pointed out over and over in this thread, is 1) display of a state registration number, or 2) issue of a state title. So maybe it is a “half a registration”, but in all the states I have seen that require this, you go through the whole registration process, but you are not issues bow numbers. And you don’t go through the titling process.

 

[Chuck34]

Check with the NVDC if you think you have a valid USCG Documentation, if you tell them that you also have a state registration in any state on that same vessel, they will invalidate your USCG Doc.

You are confusing registration with title. A boat can only be titled once, either by the state or USCG documentation. Most states (not all) require documented boats to be state REGISTERED - NOT TITLED. A registered boat will have that little 4 x 4 registration sticker but not state numbers.
I’m in VA, state registration is optional here, so no sticker on my boat.

 

[psneeld]

Check with the NVDC if you think you have a valid USCG Documentation, if you tell them that you also have a state registration in any state on that same vessel, they will invalidate your USCG Doc. which also invalidates your First Preferred Ship Mortgage filed with the NVDC if you have one. This will piss off your lender if you have one. And if you insured your boat as being US Flagged vessel i.e. USCG Doc. your insurance may be invalid as well. You can probably coast for years like this but have one injury accident and/or one significant damage claim you may be dead meat.

As I've said previously, private boats and yachts permanently moored in a state with a "personal property tax" (like Washington) requires all owners whose boats are USCG Documented to go to their state's' tax office and sign up and pay the tax. (Oregon had no "personal property tax when I lived there) Most state tax office employees know nothing about NVDC rules. Do not let them talk you into a state registration!!! Don't argue with them!!! Just ask for a supervisor.

When I was a flight instructor at Boeing Field where I parked my little Piper when not giving lessons. The friendly Washington tax cops tried to tax my business property (the little Piper). Too bad, they lost the argument. I was already paying them rent for the tie-down.

Stick to aviation as you seem to know be confused about this subject. State registration in many states is mandatory and does NOT invalidate documentation. Don't believe any of us? Look it up yourself or check the links I provide below.

Vessel Documentation vs State Registration | MarineTitle.com

All you should know about USCG vessel documentation vs state registration.

www.marinetitle.com

"Documented Vessels: Registration of documented vessels is required in certain states whereas exempted in others. However, the issuance of state titles is forbidden on documented vessels."

U.S. Coast Guard Vessel Documentation FAQs

Wondering how to renew or document a vessel with the U.S. Coast Guard? BoatUS answers your most common questions on vessel documentation.

www.boatus.com

Can a boat be both titled and documented?​

No. A documented vessel may not be titled by a state. However, some states may require documented vessels to maintain their state-level registration. Regardless of registration status, all vessel owners must comply with state laws and pay applicable state taxes.

I have had documented vessels in 3 different states along with documentation. ONLY the title from the states is affected. Registration does NOT invalidate documentation and documentation does NOT invalidate registration. Documentation invalidates a state title as it becomes the new title and registration should prevent a state from issuing a title. 2 different "title documents" at the same time could enable fraudulent sales.

Yes..... tax laws, registration/fees, and documentation are all separate.... although states usually requiring registration collect sales tax or use tax when you go to register. If already paid some where's else, you may be given a break/ or have to pay more on the differing amounts.

 

[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

This used to be true but Alaska now requires state registration, though it doesn’t cost much.

EDIT: I just realized I’m replying to a 6 year old thread.

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[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

You are confusing registration with title. A boat can only be titled once, either by the state or USCG documentation. Most states (not all) require documented boats to be state REGISTERED - NOT TITLED. A registered boat will have that little 4 x 4 registration sticker but not state numbers.
I’m in VA, state registration is optional here, so no sticker on my boat.

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