The Boat Market Today

[ksanders]

I bought my current boat at 50 and retired at 60 three months after making the last payment. Left port four days after retiring and never looked back. That was three years ago.

I've beed from Alaska to Mexico and am now on a several year adventure exploring the Pacific Coast of America, Canada and Alaska in my Bayliner 4788

I am not and never will be a "rich" man money wise, but I got off my ass, made the sacrifices needed and went for it.

My advice is quit looking, buy and boat and go cruising.

 

[tiltrider1]

I don’t know what to say. I was never looking for a boat. They just always jumped in front of me and said I am the deal you didn’t know you needed. Each purchase worked perfectly and I have never regretted any of them. Except maybe the $200 inflatable dingy that I bought and never used once.

 

[long-cours.62]

Depends on the brand of boat I think, and maybe more true this moment after having gone through a period of high inflation. But we paid pretty much the same price in July 2020 that our 2001 Nordic Tug sold for new, and we sold it (with many upgrades) for even more in December 2023. Also in December 2023, we paid ~85% of the price when new for our 2008 Maritimo, and almost exactly what it last sold for in 2017. Now of course, all of those transactions represent significant depreciation in constant dollars, and don’t remotely make up for all the ownership costs over the years to keep those boats in good condition. And I expect you are right that the further north of a million you go, the less likely you are to resell for anything close to what you paid even in nominal dollars, Flemings notwithstanding.

Yes clearly it depend of the brand ( not necessary the quality of building) the brand.
Example our’s was new around 1.5 million € and at 545 k€ we don't find any customer, she is not so old, not in bad condition ( ok not perfect, mainly need a paint job as you can see here : A vendre trawler/explorer/motor yacht - Trawler long-cours ) and at 1/3 of the initial price no customer.
we got 2 offer at 300k€, one at 250k€ ( if we bring the boat to Australia at our own cost... )
During the last 50 year we own 14 different boat, built 2 and it is the first time it happen, we really don't understand why ???

 

[Adopo]

This is captain Paul who says market sucks, but I think he’s dealing with lower tier boats on the cost spectrum. But I do agree like all that it is definitively post Covid and time is the currency for all of us to value.

 

[Delta Riverat]

Yeah, you have to consider the expenses. Three grand a month eh? That should be enough motivation to lower the price I would think.

But there's always the folks that just know the boat is worth what they think and not that it's only worth what someone else is willing to pay.

 

[long-cours.62]

This is captain Paul who says market sucks, but I think he’s dealing with lower tier boats on the cost spectrum. But I do agree like all that it is definitively post Covid and time is the currency for all of us to value.

Bad boat market ?
My friend (Luxury Yachts for Sale | Abyacht Broker & Charter Services ) said in his range of boat customer still present, less but still exist. For him our boat is "too small" and for Elburg or De Valk our boat is "too big".
But customer are still here for example this one stay may be 2 or 3 month for sale ( and at higher price than 3 year ago !)
Vripack Stentor 1800 - Explorer - Elburg Yachting
Like this one :
Stevenvlet 13.50 Classic - Stabilizers - Elburg Yachting
Or this one asking price in the range of 450k€ sold in..few weeks :
Vripack Trawler 55 - Long Range - Elburg Yachting
Or even this one who stay longer time for sale ( we hope she is waiting for us twin engine, good tankage, stabilised, good carpentry,classic line ...)
Admiral Class 1500 - Stabilizers - Elburg Yachting
This one sold twice in the last 6 year she was alongside of our "patrol boat" in Cherbourg in 2018
EXPLORER MOTOR YACHT ASTRA motor yacht for sale | De Valk Yacht broker
This one only few month "for sale"
AQUANAUT EUROPEAN VOYAGER 1500 motor yacht for sale | De Valk Yacht broker
An Aquanaute 48 sold in few weeks like an Altena 48 few week.
In another hand during the covid crisis De Valk had around (or even less! ) than 470 boat in listing and now near 800...

 

[heysteve]

Declining prices are actually good news for me. We're having our boat shipped back to the PNW in April and will need to pay WA use tax. Since we don't play to sell anytime soon, I'm hoping for a low valuation!

 

[SAABseanSCANIA]

I've been watching the boat market closely for a little over a year now. Problem is I don't have any historical knowledge. Shame you can't look up comps like you can with real estate. A lot of states charge taxes on boats like they were real estate, maybe some of that data should be public? Anyway, I digress. Covid created a huge surge in demand, a decrease in new inventory, which prices obviously reflected. It's supposed to be getting better, but it still feels like we are experiencing a covid hangover. Seems to me today is a hyper inflated market, new and used. What's your take on all this? Do you think now is a terrible time to buy a boat?

@Jklotz short answer, no, but there are too many variables person to person. My opinion is there isn't a "huge" correction coming and I don't think we are going to see pre-covid or 2009-2018 pricing again. The market did soften in the fall, but not so far off from the typical fall/winter droop; I expect pricing to increase in spring as it typically does when the "winter wait" inventory arrives on market. I'm only talking 35-50' boats here; new boater covid purchases didn't drive pricing as much in this segment as overall spending did. Covid did have major impact on pricing, but then we've also seen a massive increase in inflation and the dollar buys less at the store just as it buys less boat. Will inflation also correct?

I have/had been searching for the "next" one for 3 years, and some might say it was bad timing and terrible pricing. Out of the contracts I've lost, 2 years ago, I found a pretty fair deal on of my top 3 but it was gas and was missing some "nice to have" options. The boat was extremely clean, enough so to entice me into loving it with EFI big blocks and gas. The price was "fair" given the market; I knocked a bit off the asking to where BUC was in alignment so I didn't feel I was overspending, but honestly I wasn't getting a smoking deal. Well, survey day showed nothing major, but pricing stuck with me and I felt like I was overpaying. The boat was perfect for our needs, and performed great, but got cold feet due to the dollars and I walked.

I close on the exact same boat on Tuesday, however it is loaded with all wanted options, the top diesels with 500 hrs, and a bow thruster. I am paying $10k less than the gas boat 2 years ago. It's not as perfect as the gas boat, it has some minor needs, but it's also pretty clean and the engines look new. Did the market soften? Honestly I don't think so, and if it did, it didn't soften much, as I explain below. The main component is circumstance; it's winter, the boat is on the hard and I'm closing with a $30K sea trial escrow. I made a ridiculous offer, with a large escrow, and the owner's personal situation demanded a sale (No, it wasn't a covid purchase). If it were spring it would have easily sold for $25-30K more, and honestly, having spent 3 years searching I was ready to pay that difference for the package. MOST buyers won't buy in winter, and that impacts price if you need out. So I saved a buck due to individual circumstance, but I there is no indication that the BUC value of the boat is less now; the delta of the current boat's BUC and the gas boat's BUC from 2 years ago still have the expected deviation for options and engines, ergo the value is relatively stable and that should fluctuate upward with spring/summer sales as normal.

All in all, I'm getting the boat I wanted with all the attributes I wanted, but there is one consideration missing here: time. The boat 2 years ago would have done essentially the same job and I would have got 2 years more of enjoyment for the price delta. Yes, I got a "better" boat in the end, but what are those 2 years of enjoyment worth? I won't even add in the ~$10k lost in contracts on "deals"... Bottom line, if your desires match your wallet's ability, the time is now if you find what is going to give you the time and memories doing what you love.

 

[Adopo]

Bad boat market ?
My friend (Luxury Yachts for Sale | Abyacht Broker & Charter Services ) said in his range of boat customer still present, less but still exist. For him our boat is "too small" and for Elburg or De Valk our boat is "too big".
But customer are still here for example this one stay may be 2 or 3 month for sale ( and at higher price than 3 year ago !)
Vripack Stentor 1800 - Explorer - Elburg Yachting
Like this one :
Stevenvlet 13.50 Classic - Stabilizers - Elburg Yachting
Or this one asking price in the range of 450k€ sold in..few weeks :
Vripack Trawler 55 - Long Range - Elburg Yachting
Or even this one who stay longer time for sale ( we hope she is waiting for us twin engine, good tankage, stabilised, good carpentry,classic line ...)
Admiral Class 1500 - Stabilizers - Elburg Yachting
This one sold twice in the last 6 year she was alongside of our "patrol boat" in Cherbourg in 2018
EXPLORER MOTOR YACHT ASTRA motor yacht for sale | De Valk Yacht broker
This one only few month "for sale"
AQUANAUT EUROPEAN VOYAGER 1500 motor yacht for sale | De Valk Yacht broker
An Aquanaute 48 sold in few weeks like an Altena 48 few week.
In another hand during the covid crisis De Valk had around (or even less! ) than 470 boat in listing and now near 800...

I love the boats like Vripack, wish they were here and us electrical set up, or I was brave enough to go there and cruise. And they seem to be priced reasonably.

 

[Nick14]

It's fun to try and predict the future, but the only guarantee about the forecasting business is that you're very likely to be wrong. Life has a habit of unpredictable things happening.

I started my last search for a boat in early 2019, pre-COVID. Saw a new boat at the September 2019 Newport Boat Show and had serious discussions with the dealer. I wanted something done on the boat and as a result we were about 7% apart on the price. I was early in the search and didn't feel a sense of urgency. I thought I could work it out with the dealer. But next thing I heard a week later the boat was sold.

The chaos of COVID started just a few months later (who could have predicted that?) which threw a huge wrench into my boat search and plans (some of which I ranted about in a post on boat buying nightmares). After 3 frustrating and boatless years and many missed boats, I ordered a new Helmsman 38 Sedan.

Then before the boat was delivered major health problems ensued, some caused and some worsened by having had COVID twice. Now, 6 years after I originally started the search for the latest boat, persistent and declining health issues mean my cruising days are probably over.

The only thing that is perfect is hindsight. It's always 20/20 in stark and unforgiving clarity. If I hadn't been cocky and fixated on a few tens of thousands of dollars and just bought the boat in 2019 I would have had at least 3-4 years of boating fun before COVID health problems knocked me out (and who knows, maybe I might have even avoided COVID if life had taken a different path with a boat in it). Instead I spent 6 years chasing boats including the one I now own, without having done any real boating along the way.

The most precious thing in life is time, because no matter what else, no matter how much money you might have, you can never get more of it. Now there is probably no more cruising in my future and nothing I can do about it.

No one can truly predict the future. All we really know is the present. No matter what most people think will happen, it will probably be different. Trying to second guess 'the market' and 'get a bargain price' misses the point. If you want to go boating, do it now. Things can change in an instant, and in the uncertain times we're living in, probably will.

Many of us posting here are 'not young' to put it delicately. Most of us have less time before us than behind. Probably much less. If you want to go boating, don't let miserliness get in the way of it. You really can't take it with you. Whatever satisfaction you might get from 'scoring a good deal' is both much less than the joy of boating, and the sting of losing out. Beating up a seller on price shouldn't be more important than actually doing something for yourself, being out on the water enjoying a boat in the limited time we all have left. Things can change quickly and dramatically, and all you might be left with are regrets.

 

[long-cours.62]

Declining prices are actually good news for me. We're having our boat shipped back to the PNW in April and will need to pay WA use tax. Since we don't play to sell anytime soon, I'm hoping for a low valuation!

The two last boat Aquanaut 48 and Altena 48 was sold around 250k€
3 week ago we visited the Stentor 17.80m ( unfortunately already under offer) to see if it could be next boat : yes she could 'may be with twin Perkins 215 in place of the 2 Perkins 135 atmo ?
We also visited the Velder 63 we follow this boat from a loooong time when she was for sale under auction may be 9 year ago, now she come back for sale at an astronomic price compared at the price she was sold few year ago ( said x 2.6 !!) we know the drawing of arrangement and some technical details was not useful at all and must be solved. But for the size, material, diesel tankage she was close to our precedent boat who was perfect for us...BUT after visit my admiral was very desapointed by the volume and me by some "details"...
For the moment still on our "for sale" boat normally put her back on the water next friday and after that , ...move...not waste time anymore by searching a customer... we are not far from the end ! MUSt do something NOW

 

[Adopo]

It's fun to try and predict the future, but the only guarantee about the forecasting business is that you're very likely to be wrong. Life has a habit of unpredictable things happening.

I started my last search for a boat in early 2019, pre-COVID. Saw a new boat at the September 2019 Newport Boat Show and had serious discussions with the dealer. I wanted something done on the boat and as a result we were about 7% apart on the price. I was early in the search and didn't feel a sense of urgency. I thought I could work it out with the dealer. But next thing I heard a week later the boat was sold.

The chaos of COVID started just a few months later (who could have predicted that?) which threw a huge wrench into my boat search and plans (some of which I ranted about in a post on boat buying nightmares). After 3 frustrating and boatless years and many missed boats, I ordered a new Helmsman 38 Sedan.

Then before the boat was delivered major health problems ensued, some caused and some worsened by having had COVID twice. Now, 6 years after I originally started the search for the latest boat, persistent and declining health issues mean my cruising days are probably over.

The only thing that is perfect is hindsight. It's always 20/20 in stark and unforgiving clarity. If I hadn't been cocky and fixated on a few tens of thousands of dollars and just bought the boat in 2019 I would have had at least 3-4 years of boating fun before COVID health problems knocked me out (and who knows, maybe I might have even avoided COVID if life had taken a different path with a boat in it). Instead I spent 6 years chasing boats including the one I now own, without having done any real boating along the way.

The most precious thing in life is time, because no matter what else, no matter how much money you might have, you can never get more of it. Now there is probably no more cruising in my future and nothing I can do about it.

No one can truly predict the future. All we really know is the present. No matter what most people think will happen, it will probably be different. Trying to second guess 'the market' and 'get a bargain price' misses the point. If you want to go boating, do it now. Things can change in an instant, and in the uncertain times we're living in, probably will.

Many of us posting here are 'not young' to put it delicately. Most of us have less time before us than behind. Probably much less. If you want to go boating, don't let miserliness get in the way of it. You really can't take it with you. Whatever satisfaction you might get from 'scoring a god deal' is both much less than the joy of boating, and the sting of losing out. Beating up a seller on price shouldn't be more important than actually doing something for yourself, being out on the water enjoying a boat in the limited time we all have left. Things can change quickly and dramatically, and all you might be left with are regrets.

Post of the year and never truer. You only learn this with the passage of time and memory. But I suppose the wise and brilliant people already know this...

I should have known. I was in the retirement business, starting from around 20. There are the go goes, the slow goes, and the no goes. We just need to match the slow goes with the go goes for extended boating!

 

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Bad boat market ?

Where are you,if in EU pick De Valk for broker. Whay you don't accept 300000€ for your boat. this is good offer for a metal custom boat,
your boat if you wish sale must finish on YachtWorld.

 

[kthoennes]

It's fun to try and predict the future, but the only guarantee about the forecasting business is that you're very likely to be wrong. Life has a habit of unpredictable things happening...

Now there's a good post. There you go.

 

[Discoverer]

I am very close to (semi) retirement, and I have been reading a lot of expert advice the past few years. And there are two related things I keep reading:
1. In the early years of retirement we have more energy, do more things, and spend more money. Later we get older, slow down and spend less.
2. Many people save too much for later and don't have enough fun in those early "go-go" years of retirement.

FWIW.

 

[long-cours.62]

En France nous avons une

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In France we have a sentence who resume your drawing :
" Quand vous êtes jeunes vous avez les dents mais pas les pommes et lorsque vous êtes vieux vous avez les pommes mais ...vous n'avez plus les dents"

translate but not sure :
"When you are young you have the teeth but not the apples and when you are old you have the apples but ...you don't have the teeth anymore"

 

[long-cours.62]

Where are you,if in EU pick De Valk for broker. Whay you don't accept 300000€ for your boat. this is good offer for a metal custom boat,
your boat if you wish sale must finish on YachtWorld.

We stay may be more than two year listed on De Valk and don't send any one visitor
Are you sure 300k€ it is a good offer for a custom boat ?
Some another custom boat below first in "basic" alloy :
This one older
https://www.devalk.nl/en/yachtbrokerage/600097/MULTISHIP-2400ALU-REBUILD-2011.html
This one older and smaller
https://www.devalk.nl/en/yachtbrokerage/808735/TRAWLER-EXPLORER-60.html
This one older
https://www.devalk.nl/en/yachtbrokerage/805975/CUSTOM-MARCELO-PENNA-TRAWLER-70.html
Now "only" in steel :
older
https://www.devalk.nl/en/yachtbrokerage/806363/EXPLORER-MOTOR-YACHT-ASTRA.html
older and conversion from real trawler
https://www.devalk.nl/en/yachtbrokerage/810552/VARNEBANK-79F.html
another custom, older
https://www.devalk.nl/en/yachtbrokerage/807733/KLAASSEN-KOTTER-19.00.html
another conversion , older
https://www.devalk.nl/en/yachtbrokerage/73770/EXPLORER-MOTOR-YACHT.html
even this one we like was sold more than 300 k€ , older, smaller, smaller engine,steel
https://www.elburgyachting.nl/sp/yachts/7385/details_en.html?t=RGU8TLE
smaller, older , single engine, custom and sold far over 300k€
https://www.elburgyachting.nl/sp/yachts/7572/details_en.html?t=cmU8TLE

If you know a 21 meter, alloy ok even steel boat, twin engine, good tankage, correct arrangement, not older than 2006 at 300k€ let know to us , sure the people from Trawler Forum will appreciate your help.
Even for us a 16 m will be good enough, we saw a lot around 400 or 500 k€ BUT no one agree to decrease to 300k€, curious , no ?
May be they don't know your analyse of the market ? Please say to them I will appreciate.
For a 16.50m I know, steel, single engine, custom boat, two cabin... but he refuse our offer at 300k€

 

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We stay may be more than two year listed on De Valk and don't send any one visitor
Are you sure 300k€ it is a good offer for a custom boat ?
Some another custom boat below first in "basic" alloy :
This one older
MULTISHIP 2400ALU REBUILD 2011 motor yacht for sale | De Valk Yacht broker
This one older and smaller
TRAWLER EXPLORER 60 motor yacht for sale | De Valk Yacht broker
This one older
CUSTOM MARCELO PENNA TRAWLER 70 motor yacht for sale | De Valk Yacht broker
Now "only" in steel :
older
EXPLORER MOTOR YACHT ASTRA motor yacht for sale | De Valk Yacht broker
older and conversion from real trawler
VARNEBANK 79F motor yacht for sale | De Valk Yacht broker
another custom, older
KLAASSEN KOTTER 19.00 motorsailer for sale | De Valk Yacht broker
another conversion , older
EXPLORER MOTOR YACHT motor yacht for sale | De Valk Yacht broker
even this one we like was sold more than 300 k€ , older, smaller, smaller engine,steel
Admiral Class 1500 - Stabilizers - Elburg Yachting
smaller, older , single engine, custom and sold far over 300k€
Stevenvlet 13.50 Classic - Stabilizers - Elburg Yachting

If you know a 21 meter, alloy ok even steel boat, twin engine, good tankage, correct arrangement, not older than 2006 at 300k€ let know to us , sure the people from Trawler Forum will appreciate your help.
Even for us a 16 m will be good enough, we saw a lot around 400 or 500 k€ BUT no one agree to decrease to 300k€, curious , no ?
May be they don't know your analyse of the market ? Please say to them I will appreciate.
For a 16.50m I know, steel, single engine, custom boat, two cabin... but he refuse our offer at 300k€

15-08-2023, 18:28
Prestige 520 Fly Bridge, fully loaded, hard top, excellent condition, located in Northeast USA, sold/commissioned in 2020, volvo warranties into 2025!(warranty gone boat is not sold)
Asking $1.049m
Labor Day Special: $799,999 for a quick private party sale in her current location and condition. very well under any comp.

For Sale: Prestige 520 with flybridge & hardtop - Cruisers & Sailing Forums

Prestige 520 Fly Bridge, fully loaded, hard top, excellent condition, located in Northeast USA , sold/commissioned in 2020, volvo warranties into 2025! Open the Google Doc in the link below for more

www.cruisersforum.com

if you don't have call in 3 month price is minimum 40% over market price.

 

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If you know a 21 meter, alloy ok even steel boat, twin engine, good tankage, correct arrangement, not older than 2006 at 300k€ let know to us , sure the people from Trawler Forum will appreciate your help.
Even for us a 16 m will be good enough, we saw a lot around 400 or 500 k€ BUT no one agree to decrease to 300k€, curious , no ?
May be they don't know your analyse of the market ? Please say to them I will appreciate.
For a 16.50m I know, steel, single engine, custom boat, two cabin... but he refuse our offer at 300k€

today beautiful Gulet Beata Mare Yachting | Omis
112.500,00 EUR not 1 offer for now
next lovering price be in beginning may if nobody buy boat 50% down,after in September biding is from 1€ ,

when buying boat if the original owner, his wife sell a boat simply pass. wait the owner pass and buy from cuisine, like I buy this my boat. and I think now I overpay boat for 20 000€ .i working like horse on boat and I think I don't recover money.
what you think neptunus 56 fly. perfect condition fresh paint alexsapaint,new windlass for chain 12/13mm 2400w, new chain g40 13mm new spade anchor 55 kg,new electronic, new 4 tv,new windshield,new fridge,new deep freezer,new ventilation,new house size toilet, new 660 12v battery new Duracell 24v 250ah start battery,new 48v 330ah battery new 8k hybrid inverter for ac,new 2610w solar panel,new 3000 12v inverter,new lux captain seat on flybridge,new rib al hull 320cm,watermaker,generator 17 kw, chiler 48000 but service,diesel water heating 10 kw,new bottom paint (7000€ only dry dock)
100 other small think now I am sure is hard if I sale this boat for 240 000€ with tax paid in EU market where I have 10000 potential buyer vs your 1 potential buyer

 

[long-cours.62]

today beautiful Gulet Beata Mare Yachting | Omis
112.500,00 EUR not 1 offer for now
next lovering price be in beginning may if nobody buy boat 50% down,after in September biding is from 1€ ,

when buying boat if the original owner, his wife sell a boat simply pass. wait the owner pass and buy from cuisine, like I buy this my boat. and I think now I overpay boat for 20 000€ .i working like horse on boat and I think I don't recover money.
what you think neptunus 56 fly. perfect condition fresh paint alexsapaint,new windlass for chain 12/13mm 2400w, new chain g40 13mm new spade anchor 55 kg,new electronic, new 4 tv,new windshield,new fridge,new deep freezer,new ventilation,new house size toilet, new 660 12v battery new Duracell 24v 250ah start battery,new 48v 330ah battery new 8k hybrid inverter for ac,new 2610w solar panel,new 3000 12v inverter,new lux captain seat on flybridge,new rib al hull 320cm,watermaker,generator 17 kw, chiler 48000 but service,diesel water heating 10 kw,new bottom paint (7000€ only dry dock)
100 other small think now I am sure is hard if I sale this boat for 240 000€ with tax paid in EU market where I have 10000 potential buyer vs your 1 potential buyer

Did you really know the market to show for example à...Gulet -) ?!
And you compare the price of motor yacht and trawler it is totally différent market...
10000 potential customer....not necessary to discuss more with you you are à troll.
Say that to à broker : 10000 potential buyer

 

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Did you really know the market to show for example à...Gulet -) ?!
And you compare the price of motor yacht and trawler it is totally différent market...
10000 potential customer....not necessary to discuss more with you you are à troll.
Say that to à broker : 10000 potential buyer

EU market special MED market don't like trawler, special metal trawler.
in Croatia i see maybe 3-4 trawler.
who have money don't have time,who have time don't have money end story. 20 meter long boat annually cost for classic yacht owner 7-14 days use is around 50-80000 € marina and minimal maintance

 

[long-cours.62]

And still no example to confirm you first allégations ?
Me I can put more and more example
Steel custom :

https://www.annoncesbateau.com/bateau/2003-custom-steel-trawler-7265843/

One more
Steel custom

https://www.annoncesbateau.com/bateau/2009-custom-trawler-24-9580580/

Steel custom

https://www.annoncesbateau.com/bateau/2001-custom-ybm-gdansk-20-8m-trawler-8595685/

One more Steel custom

https://www.annoncesbateau.com/bateau/2010-joubert--nivelt-trawler-alieva-9605266/

Steel custom

https://www.annoncesbateau.com/bateau/2008-boarncruiser-60-retro-line-9159586/

An example of the REAL life :
This custom métal boat sold :

https://www.annoncesbateau.com/bateau/2002-vripack-continental-1650-9672474/

AND not at only 300k euros but very close to the asking price. THAT is the réality.

Or the Admiral Class 15m for sale duri g year...also at 399k€ and finally sold near the asking price.
I am sure of that because I made offer on both somewhere beetwen your 300k€ and their 399k€ asking price

 

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Also april 2024 i advertise seling my sailboat after 01.10 2024. all spring, summer I search for other boat travel Greece,Italy, Spain,France, and Portugal .also I like travel on all location I stay 4-5 days with wife.

but I have lot tire kicker for my boat,first buyer first Friday bring cash but I refuse because I don't find anything to buy. don't sale boat 01.10 2023 but I delivery boat I think be 20.10.23. my new boat have marina paid to 01.11.2024. you don't have any offer in how you say 2 year.
what this mean you overprice your boat or customer don't understand you.

 

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We stay may be more than two year listed on De Valk and don't send any one visitor

this is all i tell you.

 

[Judy at JWY]

While a large brokerage company may have a very good reputation, I have often wondered why a client would sign up with a company that has 200 or 400 or even 50 other listings. Why do you think your yacht is going to get special attention? Why push your boat over the other 49 or 300 other boats? Presumably they are screening the tire-kickers, but not one showing in 2 years?

 

[mikehar]

Trawlers, especially the nicer ones, seem like a pretty strong sellers market right now. Sure, there are a bunch of boats out there with crazy pricing. They are easy to spot, they've been on the market for a long time. But look for something good in the 60-70 ft range that is in good shape, I think you'll find that there isn't a lot of inventory.

But then again, I might be biased. I'm getting ready to sell Gallivant (looking at another boat), and my market research leads me to believe that she won't be hard to sell at a decent price.

I, too, made a decent offer to someone on a boat that got rejected four or so years ago. The boat is still on the market, and the seller has *raised* the price. Some people really don't want to sell.

 

[Jklotz]

Trawlers, especially the nicer ones, seem like a pretty strong sellers market right now. But look for something good in the 60-70 ft range that is in good shape, I think you'll find that there isn't a lot of inventory.

I agree. I'd even venture to say that applies to everything from 45-70. There isn't much inventory out there, and when something pops up, it seems to sell very quickly. Sure, plenty of 20-30 year old boats in varying conditions, but ones with current systems, nice interiors, up to date electronics, etc, good luck. I guess it's all perspective though. Some folks have recommended boats that, to them, were very nice, and to me looked like a project boat.

 

[long-cours.62]

While a large brokerage company may have a very good reputation, I have often wondered why a client would sign up with a company that has 200 or 400 or even 50 other listings. Why do you think your yacht is going to get special attention? Why push your boat over the other 49 or 300 other boats? Presumably they are screening the tire-kickers, but not one showing in 2 years?

You are right De Valk have now near ....800 boat in listing But 24 year ago they was quiet efficient for the sale of our Cheoy Lee 53.( but we had also two potential client in direct)
Are you the Judith who contact us few month ago and said " I will be back with lot of question" and never heard any more ?
We was afraid you had health problem !
If you are this Judith You could find lot of info here : A vendre trawler/explorer/motor yacht - Trawler long-cours and don't hesitate if you need more

 

[long-cours.62]

Trawlers, especially the nicer ones, seem like a pretty strong sellers market right now. Sure, there are a bunch of boats out there with crazy pricing. They are easy to spot, they've been on the market for a long time. But look for something good in the 60-70 ft range that is in good shape, I think you'll find that there isn't a lot of inventory.

But then again, I might be biased. I'm getting ready to sell Gallivant (looking at another boat), and my market research leads me to believe that she won't be hard to sell at a decent price.

I, too, made a decent offer to someone on a boat that got rejected four or so years ago. The boat is still on the market, and the seller has *raised* the price. Some people really don't want to sell.

You are also right as said on our advertising our boat could be in better shape ( paint job done ), more recent electronic etc ...but the similar sized , aged boat with newest equipment and nice paint job are priced Twice our asking price
Example :
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2002-north-sea-trawler-9362148/
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2003-steel-trawler-aegean-68-5068689/
https://www.annoncesbateau.com/bateau/2005-terranova-yachts-68-9415613/
Or even more than 3 time more expansive if come from a serie :
https://www.annoncesbateau.com/bateau/2009-marlow-72e-9109346/

May be our problem is we are honest people and when customer come on board I said : that must be done , that will be better with another thing ....One "potential" customer (we became friend because we made after sale service on ...the another boat he bought ) explain to me when they go out of our boat he said to is wife :" he don't want sale his boat he said thing are not good !"
Another want buy the boat , phone at night to us "don't sale the boat I want her" he thinking he could bring north our boat by the French canal, I said to him it is not possible ...after that no more news , if I said that after he pay ... Our boat was sold
Another he said to us I want make charter, I ask witch type of charter , he reply luxury, he hesitate between 2 boat I said for "luxury charter" the another one will be better because the kitchen is apart (our kitchen is between saloon and wheelhouse)
And of course we had "tourist" we named them "the sunday visitor", in reality they make tourism in Corsica,Grece , Baleares, Sardaigna for few days and visit boat only for curiosity purpose... After few minute it is clear they are "sunday visitor".

 

[Judy at JWY]

You are right De Valk have now near ....800 boat in listing But 24 year ago they was quiet efficient for the sale of our Cheoy Lee 53.( but we had also two potential client in direct)
Are you the Judith who contact us few month ago and said " I will be back with lot of question" and never heard any more ?
We was afraid you had health problem !
If you are this Judith You could find lot of info here : A vendre trawler/explorer/motor yacht - Trawler long-cours and don't hesitate if you need more

Yes, I am Judy the trawler specialist that had been in communication with you. We had numerous email communications. Here is a cut and paste of one of my paragraphs in my last email:

I will be happy to discuss with him. Of course if I have a client, I could work through him. But since he has had the listing on YW for almost 2 years*, I thought you were looking for a new listing broker with a different approach and fresh energy to attract new clients. I make no promises, but it is very rare for me to have a boat that I don’t conclude with a sale.

Below is a copy and paste from what a broker sees on the YachtWorld post. Let me tell you why I have never paid attention to this listing:
(1) It says straight out that it is "Not available for co-brokerage" . So that means either the broker is working on a reduced commission or the broker doesn’t want to share his commission. But what it says is for other brokers to not bother calling him. So maybe because he is trying to sell it himself, at the exclusion of all other brokers, is why she has been for sale for so long. (2) YachtWorld lists the newest listings at the top. I put in a search for aluminum boats in Europe from 72-74 feet: 4 of them came up, with yours at the very bottom. The “sistership” Pacific trawler is also listed as not available for co-brokerage and she has been on the market for 494 days.

And your response to that email was to send me the contact information for your broker. Once I knew you were still aligned with your broker, it was not appropriate protocol for me to maintain contact with you.

Continuing to wish you much luck on a successful sale!

Judy