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It was the first installation on an H38S, and only the second H38S. In hindsight I would either have put the system forward of the fuel tank rather than aft, since the generator is aft as well, or not opted for the generator. I thought a generator would be needed for the DMS, but that was not the case in practice. That being said, we juggled things around to compensate and the genset has been useful for the watermaker, among other things.
Thanks Rick good insights to consider for sure. I really like the 38S - super layout. We too will have a genset - water maker, water heater, AC, and chargers will be the main draws/use. Our location for the stabilizer is locked in given factory hull reinforcement (behind port fuel tank) - lots of stern buoyancy on the the 43, but I think we will likely have too much weight on the port side with genset and DMS - may move the davit to a starboard install if needed.
 
Hello - my wife and I took delivery of a 38E in Charleston in late June and part of the build included the yard's installation of the DMS foundation, which allowed us to install DMS during commissioning efficiently.

Since last summer we have cruised to (and throughout) our home waters on the Long Island Sound (from NY - Rhode Island) and currently all the way down to the Florida Keys. I share this since we have nearly 500 hours underway since delivery.. with our return home scheduled for this April we'll surely be near 750 hours under one year of ownership.

A few insights on DMS from travels on Atlantic Ocean, Chesapeake Bay, Delaware Bay and throughout the ICW:

1. The hull design on the 38E is great, but there are conditions where my crew desire that next level of dampening effect on pesky beam seas and DMS tackles that expertly. I recall a day near Norfolk entering the Chesapeake where a boat we've been bouncing into for days (a 31' Ranger Tug) was getting hammered in the washing machine that was the Bay.. I felt awful for them.. we had DMS deployed and continued north during our 8 hr cruise.
2. The immediacy of the dampening is superb.. something like 10-13 seconds and you're stabilized. We actually have the control panel (simple, small touch screen) in the pilothouse and flybridge since we operate the 38E at both locations. To me this feels obvious..
3. We do not operate the DMS all the time as part of the pre-departure checklist, rather we use it when/as needed since it deploys so rapidly. An example, along the ICW you see a fast moving, large sport fish coming your way I simply activate (and de-activate) accordingly. I would say that is 50% of the usage for me so far. Another example, making the 100 nautical mile run up the Jersey shore from Cape May to NYC I'll have it deployed during those safe, but uncomfortable days.
4. Installation was at a partner yard out East (Zimmerman in North Carolina) and the process was orderly and took about one week. (Note: I believe I was the first out here with the system so I'd expect installation time may have been reduced).
5. Installation support was provided by DMS with on-site project manager - it really felt well connected across Helmsman, Zimmerman and DMS.
6. I typically cruise around 1800 RPM (7-8 knots) and have noticed when the single rotor (38E only requires one rotor) is deployed I lose about 0.2 knots of speed. I've examined this many many times and feel this is very accurate.

I'm sure there is much more to share, but I believe I've hit all the major insights. Honestly, it makes me and Alison feel much more confident when we are going out - everyone has those days where storms/seas kick up, but having DMS makes those days materially better in our view.

Best..
Greg
 
Hello - my wife and I took delivery of a 38E in Charleston in late June and part of the build included the yard's installation of the DMS foundation, which allowed us to install DMS during commissioning efficiently.

Since last summer we have cruised to (and throughout) our home waters on the Long Island Sound (from NY - Rhode Island) and currently all the way down to the Florida Keys. I share this since we have nearly 500 hours underway since delivery.. with our return home scheduled for this April we'll surely be near 750 hours under one year of ownership.

A few insights on DMS from travels on Atlantic Ocean, Chesapeake Bay, Delaware Bay and throughout the ICW:

1. The hull design on the 38E is great, but there are conditions where my crew desire that next level of dampening effect on pesky beam seas and DMS tackles that expertly. I recall a day near Norfolk entering the Chesapeake where a boat we've been bouncing into for days (a 31' Ranger Tug) was getting hammered in the washing machine that was the Bay.. I felt awful for them.. we had DMS deployed and continued north during our 8 hr cruise.
2. The immediacy of the dampening is superb.. something like 10-13 seconds and you're stabilized. We actually have the control panel (simple, small touch screen) in the pilothouse and flybridge since we operate the 38E at both locations. To me this feels obvious..
3. We do not operate the DMS all the time as part of the pre-departure checklist, rather we use it when/as needed since it deploys so rapidly. An example, along the ICW you see a fast moving, large sport fish coming your way I simply activate (and de-activate) accordingly. I would say that is 50% of the usage for me so far. Another example, making the 100 nautical mile run up the Jersey shore from Cape May to NYC I'll have it deployed during those safe, but uncomfortable days.
4. Installation was at a partner yard out East (Zimmerman in North Carolina) and the process was orderly and took about one week. (Note: I believe I was the first out here with the system so I'd expect installation time may have been reduced).
5. Installation support was provided by DMS with on-site project manager - it really felt well connected across Helmsman, Zimmerman and DMS.
6. I typically cruise around 1800 RPM (7-8 knots) and have noticed when the single rotor (38E only requires one rotor) is deployed I lose about 0.2 knots of speed. I've examined this many many times and feel this is very accurate.

I'm sure there is much more to share, but I believe I've hit all the major insights. Honestly, it makes me and Alison feel much more confident when we are going out - everyone has those days where storms/seas kick up, but having DMS makes those days materially better in our view.

Best..
Greg
Greg - fun to hear about all of the hours, adventures, and the DMS views. We are a couple of months from commissioning 43048 which will have a DMS system as well. Excited. Your experience reconciles with our expectations.
 
Greg - fun to hear about all of the hours, adventures, and the DMS views. We are a couple of months from commissioning 43048 which will have a DMS system as well. Excited. Your experience reconciles with our expectations.
Exciting times!
 
Once you have stabilization you will never go back.
That is indeed a true statement: Once you have stabilization you will never go back.
Whatever or whenever our next boat will be, it needs to be stabilized, underway, on anchor and in port.

There is no need to compromize, so why would we ?
 
Dometic just introduced a gyro. Claims 40% less power, DC powered, 16 minute spool up time, lower maintenance cost. Glad to see more competition. First model I think is for 36+/- foot boats.
 

Indeed - that seems like quite an interesting system. All DC with energy capture 48V spin up/down.

Per website: DG3 has an MSRP of $43,999 USD. Installation costs vary depending on your boat's hull structure, installation location, and rigging requirements. Includes 48V smart lithium battery and water pump.

DG3 is designed for boats ranging from 35 to 41 feet.
 
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Scott H said that for the proven designs (like the H38E) no water test is done prior to shipping, but all engines are.
If all engines are tested before the boats are shipped, it’s certainly not an under load test. Cummins engines have not been very reliable with problems not uncommon on initial sea trials. Cummins has not been great at resolving these problems. Not something I bargained for on a new boat. I still have no idea if my Cummins problems are resolved. I’ve only got 10 hours on her since my most recent “cure” was done.
 
If all engines are tested before the boats are shipped, it’s certainly not an under load test. Cummins engines have not been very reliable with problems not uncommon on initial sea trials. Cummins has not been great at resolving these problems. Not something I bargained for on a new boat. I still have no idea if my Cummins problems are resolved. I’ve only got 10 hours on her since my most recent “cure” was done.
Yes - the engines are run and certified by Cummins in China - but are not run under load until they arrive in the US and undergo commissioning. I am not sure what certification means - but I would guess that it is focussed on proper install and startup. Hard to get peace with an engine that got you off to a rough start - hope the 10 hours turn into thousands.
 

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