Solar Installation on 37 Pilot House

The friendliest place on the web for anyone who enjoys boating.
If you have answers, please help by responding to the unanswered posts.
Yes, very slick. I have seen them in 3 other channels as well. Good sign, I suppose.

Is 0.38% per degree C good or bad when it comes to the impact of temperature on panel output?
 
Yes, very slick. I have seen them in 3 other channels as well. Good sign, I suppose.

Is 0.38% per degree C good or bad when it comes to the impact of temperature on panel output?
Each brand has a spec sheet for comparison. Another point to be wary of (wire size) is that they perform better in colder temps. The spec sheet will give you an average temperature for reference, but thet will underperform or over perform based on temperature.
 
I am okay with the output hit at higher temperatures, but less okay with providing birds and spiders the additional haven aboard. Anyone have good or bad experiences with raised panels that would provide such a haven?
 
I am okay with the output hit at higher temperatures, but less okay with providing birds and spiders the additional haven aboard. Anyone have good or bad experiences with raised panels that would provide such a haven?
My panels are mounted about 3-4" above my pilothouse roof. I've not had issues with bird nests underneath. However, I'm in a different geographic area.
 
I am okay with the output hit at higher temperatures, but less okay with providing birds and spiders the additional haven aboard. Anyone have good or bad experiences with raised panels that would provide such a haven?
My panels sit about 2" off the cabintop. No issues with birds or anything. I apply spider spray under there periodically and that's been enough to keep spiders to a minimum.
 
Perhaps I am overreacting. We have barn swallows here in western Lake Erie and they build mud houses anywhere. They have tried to build them in the corners of our cockpit under the roof overhang. They live under the bow pulpit of our neighbor's boat. Spiders are even more pervasive, though they prefer gaps smaller than inches and spider spray is effective.

The BougeRV panels are attractive in part because they mount to the surface with no gap at all. It's a compromise, of course.
 
Perhaps I am overreacting. We have barn swallows here in western Lake Erie and they build mud houses anywhere. They have tried to build them in the corners of our cockpit under the roof overhang. They live under the bow pulpit of our neighbor's boat. Spiders are even more pervasive, though they prefer gaps smaller than inches and spider spray is effective.

The BougeRV panels are attractive in part because they mount to the surface with no gap at all. It's a compromise, of course.
Might sound ridiculous, but I have found that rubber snakes work-probably the only deterrent that would fit under the panel. Seagulls were using my upper deck as a dining table. I put a black rubber snake and a coral snake on the deck and the problem was solved. I wouldn't think a coral snake would work in the PNW, but I saw a seagull start to land and then radically veer off when it spotted the snake.
 
We have a rubber snake and felt the helped for the first week, but it turned out to have no impact on the swallows. Fishing line strung above deck rails really works, but only to keep birds off the rails.
 
We have a rubber snake and felt the helped for the first week, but it turned out to have no impact on the swallows. Fishing line strung above deck rails really works, but only to keep birds off the rails.
Forgot to add that I moved the snakes about once a week and changed the body position-coil, uncoil etc. learned that after watching pigeons sit on plastic owls.
 
I have run solar on our 36 foot trawler for three years now, since first splash as our boat in 2022. Having enough solar wattage allows me to dock without having the added expenses of shore power. The real benefit for me is being on the hook for more than two weeks at a time and never having to run a genset at all. We have a medium size 12V fridge that runs off solar full time, and our two kilowatt inverter runs full time, mostly running house lights, TV's and computers. Of course, we're not able to run a coffee maker at the moment. (Our current coffee maker is a kettle boiling on our propane stove).:oops:


I do intend to add more power, as this year we experimented with a wind turbine, and found that its output is quite meager compared to a single solar panel on a cloudy day. Currently I have two 200 Watt panels, which are mounted to the rear of my Europa flybridge deck. I intend to add two more panels on the rear port and starboard rails, with a fold down mechanism. This summer, we were at a National Park dock one day, and ran into a Quebecker who had done the same thing. His novel clamping and fold up/down clamp was 3D printed. I thought that was kind of cool. I am also planning to add a third lithium battery to my house bank which currently runs lead-lithium. This is so we can have that much-desired electric coffee-maker running daily :). It seems to work for us. At our current power needs. Anyway your mileage may vary depending on your power consumption needs.
I have a Europa as well. I would like to see a picture of your install to see if it would work for me.
Thanks
 
There's more to the cost of running a generator than the price of diesel and the cost per hour life time. She HATES the sound of the generator. Any time not running it is good time on our boat. I get up about 2 hrs before she does, main cabin is in the bow, generator is in the stern. If I can get through bulk in that 2 hrs, I can't but that's another story, while she can't hear it then solar will make up a lot of the absorb. At least that's my plan, still in the installation phase.

I did moor near an emasculate Grand Banks that had two 200 WATT panels not permanently mounted. The flexible fiberglass kind. He'd put them out where they would fit for their current activities. He was happy with that.

I'm in the process of installing 400 WATTS permanently mounted on the pilot house roof. If it is not adequate I'll go the non-permanent mounted way the GB owner went.
 
With the expert advice of a fellow TFer, I am having 2 440 watt panels installed on my pilothouse roof later this month. My 6 GC-2 battery house bank (705 AH) will be dedicated to the inverter and all house DC loads. My start batteries will be used for the main engine and bow thruster. Our primary draw is our AC Summit refrigerator (smallish under counter) which runs off the inverter, our Keurig in the morning, the water pump, electric toilets and evening led lights. Like many of you, my admiral would be pleased to never hear our generator. Solar panels have gotten so inexpensive ($279 ea. for 440 watts each) that I ran out of reasons to not try this. I will report back.
 
I did moor near an emasculate Grand Banks that had two 200 WATT panels not permanently mounted. The flexible fiberglass kind. He'd put them out where they would fit for their current activities. He was happy with that.

I'm in the process of installing 400 WATTS permanently mounted on the pilot house roof. If it is not adequate I'll go the non-permanent mounted way the GB owner went.
I currently use a non permanent 300 watt panel in addition to 160 watts of fixed panel. The electrician wanted to install flexible panels on the FB covers roof, the marina trimmer who would fix the attachment points doubted the old but still serviceable FB covers top panel would cope. A s/s frame for panels was going to be around 3K. I went with the non permanent pending the FB cover needing replacement, when I`ll fit flexible panels. It`s a compromise, but definitely helps.
 
With the expert advice of a fellow TFer, I am having 2 440 watt panels installed on my pilothouse roof later this month. My 6 GC-2 battery house bank (705 AH) will be dedicated to the inverter and all house DC loads. My start batteries will be used for the main engine and bow thruster. Our primary draw is our AC Summit refrigerator (smallish under counter) which runs off the inverter, our Keurig in the morning, the water pump, electric toilets and evening led lights. Like many of you, my admiral would be pleased to never hear our generator. Solar panels have gotten so inexpensive ($279 ea. for 440 watts each) that I ran out of reasons to not try this. I will report back.
From experience I can tell you it is nice and quiet onboard when you have solar. As soon as the sun starts to become effective the panels will start charging the batteries and normally by noon I have them full again. That is the moment we start doing our heavy draw 'work' such as washing machine, water maker, dish washer, cooking etc. So by the time the sun sets in the evening the batteries are full and we only have the standard low draw on the batteries. Works like a charm.
2 Kw in panels are fixed in a horizontal position, the other 1.2 Kw can be folded down, hanging off the railing. So in calm weather we can actually sail with all the panels in horizontal position, but if it becomes to windy or too rough at sea I leave the 1.2 Kw folded down, strapped down to the railing.
As a result, during the summer we hardly use our generator, perhaps once a month I start it up to ensure it works fine. That makes it nice and quiet onboard as well as burning a lot less fuel and no need to sleep with the generator running.
Good luck with your installation, you won't regret it.
 
I have future plans for panels on our pilothouse roof. Same boat, so very similar issues.

That said, I heard a perspective that resonated with me. Diesel is cheap. The author said he can "replace the amp hours used in a day or two with a generator run for a couple dollars an hour and not fiddle with solar. And panels don't last much longer than batteries." Interesting. It has me thinking.
Most things boating-related don't make financial sense. I installed a single panel on my much smaller boat and it's great. Rather than having a somewhat depleted bank at the end of a full day at anchor on a hot summer day, I now have a fully charged one. By the time I get up in the morning, It's already replenishing the overnight draw. All w/o turning on the genny or engine. I don't have it to save fuel. The life of the panel will likely exceed my boating life.
 
Solar is definitely convenient. Power just shows up without noise, maintenance, or fuel.
 
Compelling replies, guys; thank you. How do you guys follow the power supplied by the solar panels? That is, do you use Cerbo or do your batteries report the charging state from the panels?
 
With the expert advice of a fellow TFer, I am having 2 440 watt panels installed on my pilothouse roof later this month. My 6 GC-2 battery house bank (705 AH) will be dedicated to the inverter and all house DC loads. My start batteries will be used for the main engine and bow thruster. Our primary draw is our AC Summit refrigerator (smallish under counter) which runs off the inverter, our Keurig in the morning, the water pump, electric toilets and evening led lights. Like many of you, my admiral would be pleased to never hear our generator. Solar panels have gotten so inexpensive ($279 ea. for 440 watts each) that I ran out of reasons to not try this. I will report back.
Can’t wait to hear how this works out for you. It was a total game changer for us.
To HTTs question. We use Victron controllers. They have an app I have on my phone that gives current and historical data.
 
Compelling replies, guys; thank you. How do you guys follow the power supplied by the solar panels? That is, do you use Cerbo or do your batteries report the charging state from the panels?
I have a full Victron setup on my boat. Cerbo GX, Smartshunt, Multiplus, Victron MPPTs, etc. So all of the charging data gets compiled and presented by the Cerbo. Here's a screenshot of the current status from VRM as an example. Shows the MPPT status for each unit, total solar output, current battery status (both from the Smartshunt and what the BMS in the batteries is reporting), power consumption (both instant and hourly/daily totals), temperature sensor readings, etc.

1749041109801.png
 
Compelling replies, guys; thank you. How do you guys follow the power supplied by the solar panels? That is, do you use Cerbo or do your batteries report the charging state from the panels?
I have a completely integrated system, so on my Cerbo, but also on the track plotter and on the phone I can see what the panels are delivering. However, the only thing I care about is that the batteries get charged and that what that state of charge is. I won't stare all day long at the Cerbo or at the phone to figure out how many watts have been 'harvested'.
 
I have a completely integrated system, so on my Cerbo, but also on the track plotter and on the phone I can see what the panels are delivering. However, the only thing I care about is that the batteries get charged and that what that state of charge is. I won't stare all day long at the Cerbo or at the phone to figure out how many watts have been 'harvested'.
How do you track the batteries and charging state on your plotter? That is intriguing.
 
I have a Raymarine Axiom and took a normal data cable, plugged it into the Cerbo, routed that to the Raynet switch and then it will show up on the Victron app on the plotter. I basically have the same info on the plotter as I have on the screen of the Cerbo.
So then I made a dashboard page, where on one side I have engine instruments and the other is Victron.
 
I have future plans for panels on our pilothouse roof. Same boat, so very similar issues.

That said, I heard a perspective that resonated with me. Diesel is cheap. The author said he can "replace the amp hours used in a day or two with a generator run for a couple dollars an hour and not fiddle with solar. And panels don't last much longer than batteries." Interesting. It has me thinking.
Do you have a gen set on yours? We don't. But even without, we can sit 2 days, maybe 3 max and be fully charged in 3 hours or so of motoring. We just try to plan our longer stays so that they are followed by a longer transit to a new location. We did replace the 15 year old house bank 2 years ago. (had it done, as the 315 pound 820 amp hr batteries we beyond my limitations. Maybe when we sell, a new owner will add solar.
 
No solar for us (yet) either. Just got the ship notice on the new house batteries though. The AGMs they are replacing were new in 2019, but they had a difficult life and made at least 3 trips way down in the depth of discharge.
 
We have 360 watt panels, 8 of them on the cabin room, and the hard bimini. Total of 2,880 watts rated. 1,200 ah of LiFePO4 batteries, MPPT controllers (one for each panel), monitored by Cerbo GX, Touch Screen 50.
Our boat is a power hog.
  • One full sized fridge, 12v (actually a brand new cooling setup)
  • One 8.5 cu foot chest freezer on the aft deck
  • One icemaker
  • SeawaterPro water maker
  • LED lights pretty much throughout
  • Victron 12/5000 Quattro inverter/charger, on all the time
  • Starlink (tracking disabled)
  • Two air conditioner units
  • electric water heating
  • gas stove
Accept for the air conditioners, we can pretty much run the whole boat unless it is really cloudy out. In the San Blas Islands, we ran one air conditioner unit for about 8 hours a day in the heat of the day. All on Solar. We seldom run the generator.
Works well for us . . . .
 

Attachments

  • Muirgen solar panels 1.jpg
    Muirgen solar panels 1.jpg
    223.3 KB · Views: 1
Last edited:
We are considering a solar installation to keep the house batteries up while at anchor without the generator running periodically. Most of the pictures of the installations I can find look like the panels were installed on the pilot house roof, a panel either side of the hatch, although I have seen some boats mount them on or above the Bimini. I would be interested to know what others have done; mounting locations for the panels, total wattage of the panels, and do you feel it is / was worth while. Based on my calculations I think we need 600-800watts to hold the house loads and top off the house batteries on a daily basis assuming the sun is shining. Our two biggest house loads are the refrigerator and Starlink when it is running. Thanks in advance.
I have a 2024 38E with three 240 watt panels, 1000 amp hour agm batteries, typical 160 amp alternator and, no generator. I gave two air conditioners, one is a 16k btu that can run off the inverter, under certain conditions.
I have been quite pleased with my setup. Feel free to message me for details.
Mike
 
Back
Top Bottom