Sail to Trawler - Gone with the Wynns opens the floodgates???

[Jeff F]

Given the plethora of channels out there, maybe big builders have discussions every day with potential customers looking for preferential treatment.

Interesting world. I'll shut up now.

 

[tiltrider1]

I never said PAE should spend money to be involved with the Wynn's. I said, working with them would get a whole new set of eyeballs aware of their product.

We once took a boat to the state fair for marketing purposes. Thousands of people saw the boat who had never even thought of boating. There were always 5 sales a year that were impulse buys directly related to the showing at the fair each year. Our competitors laughed at us, showing our boat to country hicks. In the end, we had the last laugh.

PAE's reputation is stronger than the Wynn's so there is really no fear from negative publicity. What most the world doesn't get, life changes and what worked last year is not guaranteed to work this year so recognizing change and adapting to it is a major key to success.

 

[Jeff F]

I never said PAE should spend money to be involved with the Wynn's. I said, working with them would get a whole new set of eyeballs aware of their product.

I think 'working with them' strongly implies spending some money.

Wynns to PAE: Hey, have you heard of us? Give us a free trip to tour your boat, and we'll be sure to mention it in our next video. Or maybe it's cash plus expenses.

 

[Mac2]

Let’s just all agree that the Wynn’s confirmed that Trawlers are superior to sailboats. Mic drop…

 

[GMS]

Just like the "high tech" HH catamaran, the Globalmaster appears to have all the latest and greatest "trawler" technology and eco friendly equipment (solar, wind generators, etc...). As compared to any Nordhavn the Wynn's could likely have afforded, the Globalmaster is much newer and seemingly more modern. The Globalmaster looks the part of an Expedition Yacht, but likely isn't really a blue water boat (e.g., semi-displacement hull, non-continuous duty rated engine, etc...).

In the end, it will likely make for a great platform for the Wynn's to continue their adventure YouTube channel.

My 2 cents, if Wynn's approached PAE for sponsorship, PAE was wise to decline (or at least not make it overly attractive). PAE doesn't need that sort of publicity, there are many amazing channels run by Nordhavn owners that do a great job representing that brand...

 

[tiltrider1]

I am sure the Wynn’s approached PAE. PAE probably offered some concessions but only on a new build contract. The Wynn’s probably approached several manufacturers to play them off of each other. PAE didn’t need to offer much and as such the Wynn’s will probably go a different direction.

 

[lwarden]

I think 'working with them' strongly implies spending some money.

Wynns to PAE: Hey, have you heard of us? Give us a free trip to tour your boat, and we'll be sure to mention it in our next video. Or maybe it's cash plus expenses.

I have a friend who is an insurance broker for medical insurance for cruisers. He was in one of the Sailing Zatara videos where they sang his praises, and this was a non-paid for plug. After this episode his business really took off. Seeing the impact of the Sailing Zatara plug he approached the Wynn's to ask if they were interested in both his insurance and a potential sponsorship. The response from the male Wynn was "you can't afford us" in somewhat of a rude response. I guess one of the other reasons I'm not a fan of them.

 

[hollywood8118]

Well... if we are going to complain about influencer's the ones that took the cake were the Flo and Jo couple. I couldn't believe they were speaking at some great loop events.. yikes. There is a relative new couple on a Nordhavn that seems to do a really good job, can't remember their boat name. As far as Sailing channels the Cat Greatcircle folks are seriously hard core sailors on an amazing Outremer cat. They do a great job of video and local content that's easy to watch.
Hollywood

 

[lwarden]

Well... if we are going to complain about influencer's the ones that took the cake were the Flo and Jo couple. I couldn't believe they were speaking at some great loop events.. yikes. There is a relative new couple on a Nordhavn that seems to do a really good job, can't remember their boat name. As far as Sailing channels the Cat Greatcircle folks are seriously hard core sailors on an amazing Outremer cat. They do a great job of video and local content that's easy to watch.
Hollywood

You mean Scho and Jo? I actually didn't mind those two, they were noobs but freely admitted the fact. Were you referring to the Freedom Nordhavn couple from Seattle? I also like those two as well.

 

[Serene]

You mean Scho and Jo? I actually didn't mind those two, they were noobs but freely admitted the fact. Were you referring to the Freedom Nordhavn couple from Seattle? I also like those two as well.

May be referring to the 71 Percent, as the new couple on a Nordhavn. But they just sold it. Not sure what's next.

 

[GrandWood]

Dang, i started watching sailing and motor yacht vids when i decided to sell everything and move on to a vessel fulltime. I’ve watched all that you guys mention and more, still follow along some of um. I always thought they were trust fund babies, lol. Had no clue there was that kinda money in it. My self and son have a Channel we started( haven’t done nothing in 10 months, went home on family bizness) we are noobs at the video stuff, but has been fun. We we’re hoping to just make enough to pay for fuel, lol. We better get cracking, lol.

I like Sam Holmes, Geordie, Capt Paul( no regrets) and Gus( in too deep) who is an amazing kid. MV Skookum isn’t to bad either. But I’m a noob as well still learning, so I don’t know much as to what is right or wrong on a boat.

 

[hollywood8118]

Actually the new one is MV Explorado, they do a nice job without clickbait and unnecessary "drama". Also Mv Freedom does a great job at showing boat chores, destinations, and they make really nice videos.
Here are my go to boat YouTube sites,

mv Explorado

We’re Jenn and Dave, just another 50-something couple swapping Colorado snow boots for scuba fins and a Nordhavn 55. After raising 5 kids, running a business, and Dave flying planes, suburbia wasn’t cutting it and wetsuits are more forgiving than ski pants. Our kids think we’re nuts (accurate)...

www.youtube.com

Cat Greatcircle

Sailing around the world on our Outremer catamaran

www.youtube.com

MV Freedom

MV Freedom is a 2004 Nordhavn 43' trawler proudly owned and operated by Captains Shawn and Elizabeth, along with their boat dogs Mr. Sully & Miss Martha (RIP to our beloved Sandy who passed away in December 2019). Prior to owning Freedom, Shawn & Elizabeth owned MV Orca, a 40' Searay, a 36'...

www.youtube.com

Scho and Jo just drove me crazy from the boating side. Part of the crew was just plain neurotic in 10kts of breeze. They had great "travel info" at the start but lost steam and continuity as they posted months behind their loop time. The Admiral made me watch some of their later videos long after I had unsubscribed them. I have come to believe boat youtubers either target non boaters or boaters. Most aren't universal.
HW

 

[lwarden]

Actually the new one is MV Explorado, they do a nice job without clickbait and unnecessary "drama". Also Mv Freedom does a great job at showing boat chores, destinations, and they make really nice videos.
Here are my go to boat YouTube sites,

mv Explorado

We’re Jenn and Dave, just another 50-something couple swapping Colorado snow boots for scuba fins and a Nordhavn 55. After raising 5 kids, running a business, and Dave flying planes, suburbia wasn’t cutting it and wetsuits are more forgiving than ski pants. Our kids think we’re nuts (accurate)...

www.youtube.com

Cat Greatcircle

Sailing around the world on our Outremer catamaran

www.youtube.com

MV Freedom

MV Freedom is a 2004 Nordhavn 43' trawler proudly owned and operated by Captains Shawn and Elizabeth, along with their boat dogs Mr. Sully & Miss Martha (RIP to our beloved Sandy who passed away in December 2019). Prior to owning Freedom, Shawn & Elizabeth owned MV Orca, a 40' Searay, a 36'...

www.youtube.com

Scho and Jo just drove me crazy from the boating side. Part of the crew was just plain neurotic in 10kts of breeze. They had great "travel info" at the start but lost steam and continuity as they posted months behind their loop time. The Admiral made me watch some of their later videos long after I had unsubscribed them. I have come to believe boat youtubers either target non boaters or boaters. Most aren't universal.
HW

Yeah, I get the Scho and Jo comment. Since we are planning the loop I appreciated their narration of the trip and candid feedback of the daily details and costs. I didn't watch for their nautical knowledge. I will check out the Explorado one, looks interesting. Regarding the Freedom couple, my wife really is bugged by the woman, Elizabeth. I think she was on the annoying side as well in the early years, but she's grown on me and has taken the initiative to be more involved in operating the boat. She is clearly behind all the video, editing, etc and does a good job at it. Apparently she has a USCG license now, which shows some initiative, even though Sean wears the pants in that regard on the boat.

 

[heysteve]

Also note, Nordhavn is already getting some traction with the younger crowd via MV Freedom and MV SKOOKUM. Both these couples really know what they're doing.

 

[mvweebles]

The Wynn's don't have time for a new build. They blew two years on the HH fiasco - almost certain they'll buy a good condition used boat.

The attraction to the Wynn's is their sailing creds. There are some channels with Nordhavns but to have a sail influencer move to trawler is golden. Think Lewis Hamilton going to Ferrari (guess that hasn't planned out.....but you get the idea).

Time will tell.

Peter

 

[MV Moira]

Sailing channel Gone with the Wynns is one of the most popular YouTube channels in the business. A couple years ago, they decided to partner with hi-end and hi-tech sail cat builder HH. It was a disaster and they've been un-boated for almost a year.

Turns out their next boat might be a trawler. See this episode from a month ago - they have not announced their final decsion. They mention stepping on several Nordhavns - the wife's thumbs-up is the Nordhavn 63 which also impressed me when I was aboard one last year (@guy with a boat has a N63 but I'm not sure it's the same layout).

Sailors have migrated to sailing cat's for 2-decades. If GWTW move to a trawler, could really open the floodgates. They are well known, well travelled, and well respected.

Something to think about......

Peter

It's the time-honored migration: sail boat > motor boat > motor home > rest home.

 

[lwarden]

The Wynn's don't have time for a new build. They blew two years on the HH fiasco - almost certain they'll buy a good condition used boat.

The attraction to the Wynn's is their sailing creds. There are some channels with Nordhavns but to have a sail influencer move to trawler is golden. Think Lewis Hamilton going to Ferrari (guess that hasn't planned out.....but you get the idea).

Time will tell.

Peter

I'm not so sure how this will work out for them. Will the sailing-based following really be interested in them on a trawler? The hardcore sailors think the Wynns are posers anyway. I know I followed Tula's Endless Summer when they bought a Defever, but became disinterested when they moved to the trimaran and started sailing. The only sailing channel I religiously follow is Erik Aanderaa who has very good quality videos and a mix of sailing, travel blogging and boat projects. Even though I've done my fair share of sailing, watching endless footage of a passage gets pretty boring IMO.
Is the thought here that the followers of the Wynns will all of a sudden go to the dark side and get interested in trawler life? Seems a stretch to me.

 

[Fletcher500]

I find most of them to be annoying but I get it, it’s entertainment so they have to ham it up. Parlay Revival is the only one I watch periodically. The main character Colin (previously an engineer on the Below Deck series) is a sharp guy, not a trust fund kid, and has a good attitude toward life. They interview legit cruisers they meet on their travels and their stories are really interesting. It has its share of YouTube cheesy, but overall it's a good channel.

 

[skyhawk]

I enjoy watching YouTubers, but I tend to lose interest when their channels grow them to be beyond "a normal person", with all the special privileges that come with the fame. I enjoy them more when it seems like a legit real-people DIY adventure and production

The shine dulls for me when it starts to become too obvious that they are hiring out the video production, getting more boat than it seems like they should be able to afford, etc....

All that said, I've stopped watching quite a few but I do still regularly watch some of the bigger channels...mostly as I try to learn from them, and consider how I'd like to play out my dream, etc....

 

[CharlieO.]

I enjoy watching YouTubers, but I tend to lose interest when their channels grow them to be beyond "a normal person", with all the special privileges that come with the fame. I enjoy them more when it seems like a legit real-people DIY adventure and production

The shine dulls for me when it starts to become too obvious that they are hiring out the video production, getting more boat than it seems like they should be able to afford, etc....

All that said, I've stopped watching quite a few but I do still regularly watch some of the bigger channels...mostly as I try to learn from them, and consider how I'd like to play out my dream, etc....

I agree, my most recent channel I've started following is Pane e Vino. They do the type of cruising/exploring in the PNW and Canada that we are trying to work toward once we get to switch coasts.

 

[hollywood8118]

The entire influencer era is quite the strange phenomenon.
Its all about getting subscribers/likes to boost ad revenue which boosts influencer income.
So much appears to be focused to the drama side, the exact OPPOSITE of what we all strive for in boating.. no drama!. There was a boat here in P.T hauled in the yard that is fairly popular in YouTube a while back. Saw the couple walking around town a few times. A huge incident happened while in the yard where one of the parents off the couple died falling off the boat, one of the few times when they didn't mention a word about this in their blog with a slim reference to a parent passing. No mention it happened on the boat . I guess some do try to lessen the Drama. Since then they have gone the direction as many and a lot to the headers to their videos are click bait. Click bait is the reason I couldn't watch that goofball "Captain Paul" . He seemed to bumble from one problem to another.. seemingly due to really poor planning.
Here at TF I hope to learn what to do as much as what not to do to make us better mariners.
Hollywood

 

[Crux]

It's the time-honored migration: sail boat > motor boat > motor home > rest home.

then > funeral home....

 

[Rigamarole]

I watch a lot of boating YouTube videos - thousands over the years for sure. I have near zero interest for the ones who are promoting the lifestyle vs the ones who are helping me understand the destination or how to repair something. Click bait is an instant block on the channel. The Wynn's, I literally watched one of their videos yesterday to see a little content about the San Blas Islands but wasn't impressed at all. In general I avoid them. Nautistyles I dislike A LOT. Probably the most enjoyable for me are Tony Flemings.

If you want to be impressed on some hardcore sailing and absolutely stunning video then this is it: TUPAIA

To comment about the original post though - sailors going to trawlers - that's what we've done. I had a 56' catamaran that I took from the Caribbean to the Mediterranean twice over a 12 year period. Three transatlantics, lots of new places, absolutely awesome cruising. I mentally had got to the place where I'd be buried on that boat in a Viking funeral - flaming arrows and all. But, my wife was simply not there and I couldn't do it alone. Well, I could have, but it really would have cost me.

So, we are new LRC owners and she's enjoying it more. A lot more? Not yet - but there's a chance. Probably the major factor I have to overcome is her question of why? Why do I want to leave my home for this? So the boat and experience have to be enjoyable enough for her to mentally accept and agree to it.

 

[Gypsy Island]

Yes TUPAIA is pure bombastic nature and absolutely no stupid talk. They are totally underestimated.

 

[GrandWood]

If you want to be impressed on some hardcore sailing and absolutely stunning video then this is it: Tupaia

Thank you for the link, fantastic watch

 

[Frosty]

I watch a lot of boating YouTube videos - thousands over the years for sure. I have near zero interest for the ones who are promoting the lifestyle

Ha ha. As soon as I hear the word "lifestyle," I start to tune out.

Probably the most enjoyable for me are Tony Flemings.

Agree! In a class of their own. I wouldn't dream of speeding up the video or skipping a section, which I often do on other videos.

 

[Capt Pappy]

If you really want to be annoyed by YouTubers, try out the Boomershines...
The wife is like nails on the chalkboard to me.

Can usually tell how bad it will be from the intro and music they play - then it only gets worse like with these folks

 

[Rigamarole]

Yes TUPAIA is pure bombastic nature and absolutely no stupid talk. They are totally underestimated.

I've donated twice because we absolutely need people to develop content like they do. I mean, in all their videos it's them - no one else anywhere. The one on rounding Cape Horn is unbelievable.

 

[Mambo42]

I have no idea why any trawler producer would have to prove anything to blow boaters. I find most of them extremely annoying, they make it sound like they just invented the secret of the holy grail.

Certain brands have established themselves and they don't need to advertise themselves anymore. If someone mentions Fleming I know we are talking quality boats. Nordhavns are also very capable boats, but the latest models do have some problematic design errors. Selene, Grand Banks, Ocean Alexander and a few others are very capable boats, why would any brand put their reputation on the line by trying to convince a blow boater ?
I have watched GWTW once, but just like others I cannot seem to finish a single episode, they are truly utterly annoying. They seem to treat their viewers like they are little children. Even a normal shower onboard is a huge item for them. I guess it results in clicks, but that is not me, I am not interested.

I guess all of us, the people who already have trawlers or 'power boats' know what we are looking for, know what we can expect and we don't care that much about seeing for the first time in your life that you can have more than one light on at night or that you can actually cook while being on a passage.
There is a reason why we did not buy a blow boat and that is because the admiral and I like our comfort. We want to go places, but we don't want to go there like Jack Sparrow.

 

[Rigamarole]

I have no idea why any trawler producer would have to prove anything to blow boaters. I find most of them extremely annoying, they make it sound like they just invented the secret of the holy grail.

Certain brands have established themselves and they don't need to advertise themselves anymore. If someone mentions Fleming I know we are talking quality boats. Nordhavns are also very capable boats, but the latest models do have some problematic design errors. Selene, Grand Banks, Ocean Alexander and a few others are very capable boats, why would any brand put their reputation on the line by trying to convince a blow boater ?
I have watched GWTW once, but just like others I cannot seem to finish a single episode, they are truly utterly annoying. They seem to treat their viewers like they are little children. Even a normal shower onboard is a huge item for them. I guess it results in clicks, but that is not me, I am not interested.

I guess all of us, the people who already have trawlers or 'power boats' know what we are looking for, know what we can expect and we don't care that much about seeing for the first time in your life that you can have more than one light on at night or that you can actually cook while being on a passage.
There is a reason why we did not buy a blow boat and that is because the admiral and I like our comfort. We want to go places, but we don't want to go there like Jack Sparrow.

Blow boaters... That's like listening to someone on the Cruisers Forum call someone a stinkpotter. I'm not prejudice so I call them names like wanker and malakas.

But I have to say, if you think most sailors are cruising around with no power, you haven't been paying attention. Solar and lithium have changed their games. And probably the proportion of POS sailboats is near to POS power. They both just don't sink fast enough - the old ones. Especially since most, regardless of design, don't really go anywhere. I always liked the saying "It's not the center of the ocean that will get you, it's the hard jagged edges around the outside".