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I'm looking to add AIS to my 1982 Grand Banks. It has older Garmin 4012 and 4008 chart plotters (non-touchscreen) linked thru an NMEA 2000 backbone, and I use an IPad Pro 13" running AquaMap as primary navigation. The IPad is Bluetoothed to a Garmin Glo for GPS reception (IPad is WiFi only - no internal GPS). Two VHFs (one old; one newer with DSC and GPS). I have two VHF antennas at 34' height. Correct me if I'm wrong, since the chart plotters are not touchscreen, it does little good to display AIS targets on them (can't highlight a target). My goal therefore is to display AIS on the IPad - AquaMap can do this. I believe I need the following: an AIS transceiver; a VHF antenna splitter; a way to Bluetooth the AIS information to the IPad. Digital Yacht makes a iAISTX Class B Wireless Transponder, which seems to have the ability to Bluetooth AIS information. https://defender.com/en_us/digital-...g2bgjhODuIjIakjX5cfCZx99_cXFBoYExZsQ4vkgwxWe0 . Does anyone run this unit? Any advice or recommendations appreciated, Thanks!
 
On NWD we have 4212 Garmins which are networked with the Garmin native network cable. We also bought a Digital Yacht transceiver in 2019 (the AIT1500 I think - its a 2W transmitter). Since then, they have an upgraded models which are class B+ 5W. It has always worked well. I don't have experience with the splitter; we installed a dedicated antenna. We went with a wifi connection as there are more available gateways with wifi compared to bluetooth.

We also use a computer/tablet for navigation, and have NMEA 2000 and 0183 devices. We chose the Rose Point Nemo gateway to connect it all together. The Nemo takes in all data and provides it back out to any devices that need it. For example, we could chose to use the Garmins to provide course data to our autopilot, or our computer (or tablet) navigation software. The Nemo also has a ethernet out for a wired connection. We added a household wifi router, and use the router to connect both the wired computer and the wireless devices. Using the wifi router ensures we can stay connected anywhere on the boat reliably. I can have nav info sent/received by my android phone and tablet (which I don't really take advantage of) and my Surface, which I do use on the flybridge. We mounted our router inside a closet just forward of our main electical bay under the lower helm, so far no issues with not having a "marine router".

We picked a household router which uses a 12v DC adapter, and bought the correct pigtail for our router, and wired it into the boats 12v DC system.

The AIS in your link does broadcast the AIS data on wifi, but does not integrate the rest of your NMEA data.

Our system was expensive. We went with the Nemo as it could integrate both old and new NMEA formats, our autopilot is 0183 and we have other devices on the boat which are 2000. It has multiple ports for the NMEA 0183, as we had two radios and the autopilot which are all NMEA. It has an ethernet port, allowing computer networking for sending / receiving data. The Nemo is $700, plus the cost of a separate wifi router. Our system has been bulletproof. The only NMEA/GPS issues I've had since the installation were related to a Garmin GPS antenna having poor connection, which required me to switch GPS data sources. I run off the Digital Yacht AIS exclusively now, because I feel it is more accurate.

Digital Yacht makes the Navlink Blue, which takes NMEA 2000 and broadcasts bluetooth. It does not take in NMEA 0183. Its around $300.

Digital Yacht also makes the Navlink 2, which takes NMEA 2000 data and transmits it on WIFI. It is only $290, but like the Navlink Blue doesn't incorporate NMEA 0183. Kind of depends on what you have for NMEA devices you want to interconnect. The Nemo is convenient for me, as the software I use allows me to select which GPS device I'm using for the system, for example. So I have GPS signals coming in from the AIS (it has its own GPS antenna) and one from each Garmin. If for some reason I have an issue with one, I can switch to another easily, and that provides the current trusted data to all devices.

I do find it helpful to have the AIS targets plot on the Garmin chart plotter. When using radar or radar overlay, you'll find your AIS targets aligning (if everything it working right!) with their radar targets. The Garmin also displays the target name and speed, although it truncates long names. You can access a list of targets, but I rarely do it - I tend to look at the Garmin to watch radar targets, and the AIS display on it helps inform course issues with any AIS targets. You can highlight a target using the round cursor key, but I find it incredibly fiddly to use that. If I need better info, such as a full boat name, I can check it easier on my nav software. Garmin only displays AIS targets in one color (green, and red for danger targets.) Fortunately I can change the color of AIS targets in the nav software, so I can have both devices have similar looks.

I'm saving up to move into the touchscreen world!

Good luck!
 
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On NWD we have 4212 Garmins which are networked with the Garmin native network cable. We also bought a Digital Yacht transceiver in 2019 (the AIT1500 I think - its a 2W transmitter). Since then, they have an upgraded models which are class B+ 5W. It has always worked well. I don't have experience with the splitter; we installed a dedicated antenna. We went with a wifi connection as there are more available gateways with wifi compared to bluetooth.

We also use a computer/tablet for navigation, and have NMEA 2000 and 0183 devices. We chose the Rose Point Nemo gateway to connect it all together. The Nemo takes in all data and provides it back out to any devices that need it. For example, we could chose to use the Garmins to provide course data to our autopilot, or our computer (or tablet) navigation software. The Nemo also has a ethernet out for a wired connection. We added a household wifi router, and use the router to connect both the wired computer and the wireless devices. Using the wifi router ensures we can stay connected anywhere on the boat reliably. I can have nav info sent/received by my android phone and tablet (which I don't really take advantage of) and my Surface, which I do use on the flybridge. We mounted our router inside a closet just forward of our main electical bay under the lower helm, so far no issues with not having a "marine router".

We picked a household router which uses a 12v DC adapter, and bought the correct pigtail for our router, and wired it into the boats 12v DC system.

The AIS in your link does broadcast the AIS data on wifi, but does not integrate the rest of your NMEA data.

Our system was expensive. We went with the Nemo as it could integrate both old and new NMEA formats, our autopilot is 0183 and we have other devices on the boat which are 2000. It has multiple ports for the NMEA 0183, as we had two radios and the autopilot which are all NMEA. It has an ethernet port, allowing computer networking for sending / receiving data. The Nemo is $700, plus the cost of a separate wifi router. Our system has been bulletproof. The only NMEA/GPS issues I've had since the installation were related to a Garmin GPS antenna having poor connection, which required me to switch GPS data sources. I run off the Digital Yacht AIS exclusively now, because I feel it is more accurate.

Digital Yacht makes the Navlink Blue, which takes NMEA 2000 and broadcasts bluetooth. It does not take in NMEA 0183. Its around $300.

Digital Yacht also makes the Navlink 2, which takes NMEA 2000 data and transmits it on WIFI. It is only $290, but like the Navlink Blue doesn't incorporate NMEA 0183. Kind of depends on what you have for NMEA devices you want to interconnect. The Nemo is convenient for me, as the software I use allows me to select which GPS device I'm using for the system, for example. So I have GPS signals coming in from the AIS (it has its own GPS antenna) and one from each Garmin. If for some reason I have an issue with one, I can switch to another easily, and that provides the current trusted data to all devices.

I do find it helpful to have the AIS targets plot on the Garmin chart plotter. When using radar or radar overlay, you'll find your AIS targets aligning (if everything it working right!) with their radar targets. The Garmin also displays the target name and speed, although it truncates long names. You can access a list of targets, but I rarely do it - I tend to look at the Garmin to watch radar targets, and the AIS display on it helps inform course issues with any AIS targets. You can highlight a target using the round cursor key, but I find it incredibly fiddly to use that. If I need better info, such as a full boat name, I can check it easier on my nav software. Garmin only displays AIS targets in one color (green, and red for danger targets.) Fortunately I can change the color of AIS targets in the nav software, so I can have both devices have similar looks.

I'm saving up to move into the touchscreen world!

Good luck!
Thanks so much for your thoughtful and in-depth reply. Lots to consider! I am now looking at Digital Yacht's AIT5000 which claims to integrate with NMEA 2000 and 0183 devices. It would be desirable to link my autopilot to nav instead of heading hold only. I agree with you that overlaying AIS targets on the radar is hugely beneficial for night and restricted visibility operations. Thanks again!
 
I would suggest to keep the marine grade systems (Garmin) from the convenience systems (iPad). Get any AIS unit that has NMEA2000 and NMEA0183 output. The 2000 goes into the marine grade systems, it is robust, reliable, etc. The 0183 output which is just a serial interface you can either broadcast via bluetooth (the adapter costs $15) or via wifi (the adapter costs $20). That you can use for your tablet, phone, etc.

The unit that you suggest has wifi, so you can connect that to your router and then the tablet can pick it up from there. It is up to you if you want to have a router or a dedicated serial to bluetooth/wifi adapter. My point is that you want this to work at a flip of a switch. Going through many steps (i.e. power the router, connect the tablet, connect the AIS, etc.) will make the system less useable in real life.

I have an LTE router that is on 24/7, whether I am on the boat or not (the router consumers 2W). I do connect all conveniece devices such as cameras, AIS, wifi switches, tablets, etc. to the router and have 24/7 access to them. However, if the router flips or loses power, it takes a few minutes to put the network to come back up. This will happen in the most inopportune time. Therefore, I suggest you always have the marine grade network separate.
 
Thanks so much for your thoughtful and in-depth reply. Lots to consider! I am now looking at Digital Yacht's AIT5000 which claims to integrate with NMEA 2000 and 0183 devices. It would be desirable to link my autopilot to nav instead of heading hold only. I agree with you that overlaying AIS targets on the radar is hugely beneficial for night and restricted visibility operations. Thanks again!
I have just installed that exact unit, the Digital Yacht AIT5000. Reasons I chose it;

1. It is Class B+ SOTDMA so 5W instead of 2W and gets a higher slot priority than Class B
2. It has an in-built VHF splitter
3. It has a NMEA2000 output
4. It has a NMEA0183 output
5. And mostly, it transmits GPS and AIS data via WiFi for my iPad.

In my case I have both NMEA2000 and NMEA0183 devices, plus I use a 13" iPad Air with Navionics, which does not have in-built GPS. I used to use a GPS enabled iPad Mini, but the GPS reliability was quite poor with lots of dropouts.

The AIT5000 can be used without an on-board WiFi network in Access Point mode (default) or can be changed to Station mode to join an existing WiFi network. I have a WiFi network so had the AIT5000 join that network.

I compared to the Em-trak B954 but went with Digital Yacht as while functionally they were even, the Digital Yacht device included an external GPS antenna and was cheaper in my location.
 
On a personally note: I had Garmin for years. It worked great, but. It was always hard to go though its menu. I would not use a splitter for my AIS. With spitters, there is aways a give and take. From a article and better that I could write "potential signal loss and the inability for the VHF radio and AIS to transmit or receive simultaneously".

I think its all on what you want and do. Me, I would not walk around and use a tablet. Some might?

I went with the Em-Trak B953 AIS at 5W. After 2 yrs, all good. Then the Actisense N2K Gateway to USB for my laptop. After 1 yr, so far so good. The laptop sees everything on the N2k network plus the internet.

I too have a LTE router, now going to go with Starlink. Prices have dropped and with Standby for $5 a month. I can monitor the boat when its on the hard at a low cost.

With Time Zero software, AIS targets that Em-trak can't see. Time Zero shows them using Marne Traffic.

No right or wrong, but how are you going to use it and what equipment do you already have. To the OP, good luck.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, since the chart plotters are not touchscreen, it does little good to display AIS targets on them (can't highlight a target).

FWIW, I'd prefer to have the AIS targets -- ideally last transmitted location, direction of travel, and name -- displayed on the plotters too. That's my fastest visual when we're underway... so if I have to make a VHF call I've got all the info I need right there. I can click on a target and get more info, but don't remember ever having to do that...

WE use both plotters and AquaMap on a tablet, but I (the singular I) use the plotters... and I only get "told about" or "shown" AquaMap stuff if something important comes up.

The plotters are in my direct line of sight, along with all the other boat and engine controls... whereas that tablet might be wandering around anywhere.

And we don't even bother to relay AIS targets to the AquaMap tablet, anyway.

If any of that matters to you...

-Chris
 
Check off another one with Digital Yacht displaying it on navionics on a tablet with built in gps and cellular. A tablet is an amazing peice of equipment for a lot of reasons including back up isolated, from the vessel electrical system in case of electrical issues or lightning. We are not really near any shipping lanes. Most of our shipping vessel traffic we come into contact with is when we cross over to the Bahamas.

Bud
 
I have been using a Rosepoint NEMO for 8 years and for complete integration of all things NMEA and all things WiFi I am not aware of anything better. It’s not cheap but like Coastal Explorer you only buy it once. I use a computer, tablet, and MFDs all while cruising. The NEMO makes all of them more or less equally capable for navigation with all the available data.

Tom
 
I guess one distinction worth pointing out about the Digital Yacht is that it can use wi fi or Nmea to display vessels. Most all other devices that I saw do not have the wi fi option.

Bud
 
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I guess one distinction worth pointing out about the Digital Yacht is that it can use wi fi or Nema to display vessels. Most all other devices that I saw do not have the wi fi option.

Bud
Emtrak models also come Wifi and/or Bluetooth and will share AIS via those networks or NMEA2K as well.

The have models with one, the other, both or none. Pay for what you need.
 
Some units will send AIS data over WiFi but not share the GPS information. Em-trak and Digital Yacht are two that I know of that share both AIS & GPS via both WiFi and NMEA.
 
Last summer I installed a AMEC B600w. It is currently sending AIS data to my Furuno plotters via NMEA 0183 and to my Samsung tablet using Navionics via wifi. It has worked flawlessly from the first time I turned it on. The install was one of the easiest I have done. I used NMEA 0183 so I could use the wiring already in place that fed AIS from a Standard Horizon VHF. This required removing the output wires from the VHF from terminal strip and hooking up the appropriate AMEC wires in their place. WIFI connection was equally easy. I just followed the directions and it worked. Wow! (The unit is also NMEA 2000 capable.)
 
I'm looking to add AIS to my 1982 Grand Banks. It has older Garmin 4012 and 4008 chart plotters (non-touchscreen) linked thru an NMEA 2000 backbone, and I use an IPad Pro 13" running AquaMap as primary navigation. The IPad is Bluetoothed to a Garmin Glo for GPS reception (IPad is WiFi only - no internal GPS). Two VHFs (one old; one newer with DSC and GPS). I have two VHF antennas at 34' height. Correct me if I'm wrong, since the chart plotters are not touchscreen, it does little good to display AIS targets on them (can't highlight a target). My goal therefore is to display AIS on the IPad - AquaMap can do this. I believe I need the following: an AIS transceiver; a VHF antenna splitter; a way to Bluetooth the AIS information to the IPad. Digital Yacht makes a iAISTX Class B Wireless Transponder, which seems to have the ability to Bluetooth AIS information. https://defender.com/en_us/digital-...g2bgjhODuIjIakjX5cfCZx99_cXFBoYExZsQ4vkgwxWe0 . Does anyone run this unit? Any advice or recommendations appreciated, Thanks!
Check out emTrak AIS transponders... fit the bill, thats what we installed and it works well to do what you want.
 
I swapped my Garmin 300 receiver for an emtrak 954 xcver. Probably one of the best safety minded upgrades you can make in a small fiberglass boat like mine.
 
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