If it's decided that the OTDE section has some merit, either by providing a place for participants to talk about subjects not related to boating or to simply funnel off-topic discussions away from the boating sections so John doesn't have to play censor, one thing to consider is moving this section to the very bottom of the forum completely away from the boating topics.* That way someone new to the site may not encounter it right off and so not think that this is the "norm" in all discussions on TrawlerForum.* The "Dock Talk" section on the Grand Banks owner forum is right at the bottom and you have to scroll down quite aways to get to it.