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chezhed

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We are investigating trawlers. I have been in/owned some sort of boat most of my life, up to a 28' sailboat and a 28' cabin power boat. I got out of boats when we moved inland and switched to a small (class b) RV. We are back on the east coast and the boat itch is back! I would love to cruise the ICW & maybe do the loop someday. The Caribbean is a dream that we would probably not do. I'm 71. So I am looking for resources on costs of ownership for something like a 10 year old Mainship 390. Where do I go? Who can share their experiences? I'm working on boat requirements but the 390 is a good start for sure. TIA
 
Greetings,
Welcome aboard y'all. I haven't visited this thread for a while so I kinda forget what all's in it but you might start off with: Boat Search 101
Enjoy the hunt...

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i read that thread! And lots of the Mainship threads also.
So now more questions have been raised. :)
I think I will work with a buyers broker soon but I need to make some specific lists.
Something I have not found addressed is hot water source....I'm a huge fan of on demand H2O. Any boats with that?
 
i read that thread! And lots of the Mainship threads also.
So now more questions have been raised. :)
I think I will work with a buyers broker soon but I need to make some specific lists.
Something I have not found addressed is hot water source....I'm a huge fan of on demand H2O. Any boats with that?
Greetings, you will find that most boats will have a 120 VAC water heater and an
electric water pump. Most water heaters will also use engine coolant heat transfer.
 
Thanks..I figured that but wondered if anyone used propane and an on demand. I was not aware of the coolant heat transfer method. Is that common? I've not seen it listed in specs for boats.
 
Thanks..I figured that but wondered if anyone used propane and an on demand. I was not aware of the coolant heat transfer method. Is that common? I've not seen it listed in specs for boats.
I don’t think there are any propane fired, on demand systems that comply with abyc recommendations, but I could be mistaken. Having it be compliant would matter to any insurer, and safety should always be top of mind.
It is common, however for the engine to have a loop for that, or a hydronic heater would do it as well.
I can use my inverter to make hot water too, off the electrical panel.
 
It is very common to heat your hot water off you engine. But that takes time. Great if you were just ending a run. At anchor, its common to start your genset and use electric. No right or wrong, but whats right for you.

Propane can be harder to find a place to refill your tanks.
 
Use of propane aboard comes with many requirements per ABYC standards. I have not seen a vessel that included propane on demand hot water. I would not consider a DIY propane install as it will get tangled up with vessel insurance/ insurability.
Many cruisers have generators that can supply power for elec hot water very quickly and provide batty charging, etc.
When we cruised for 2+ mos an hour or so gen run time provided power for cooking, hot water & batty charging. When at anchor / or without power available an AM & PM satisfied all needs.
My WH has an engine heat coil ( not connected by mfg) and I considered DIY hook up but decided that running a gen periodically was a good thing as gen problems more frequently cone from under use than over use.
 
As mentioned many boats use the engine coolant to circulate through many marine water heaters. Works great and often water will stay hot 12 hours or more after engine is run. Unusually boats also have a 110v water heater to run off generator or shore power.

Nothing wrong with a manship but there are perhaps better designs if you plan to do much single handed docking or locking and age 71. Look for a mostly single level boat or a pilot house with doors port and starboard. Size matters so don't go bigger than you really need. Most extra starerooms end up catch all storage.

Best to get to some of the larger boat shows and get aboard different layouts. Plenty of info here on cost to buy and operate.
I would suggest you don't engage a buyers broker at this point. I think you would consume a lot of their time just narrowing down your wants and needs.

You did not mention budget for purchase and operation but it always cost a bit more than what you might think. Also as you have read insurance and dockage are major considerations.
 
The Mainship 390 is a nice boat. They had problems with the extended hull under the swim platform. It was bolted on and would get water inside it. They were foam filled so it was a PITA to fix. Sig out the foam, etc. check that the boat you are looking at has had this repair done.
 
The Mainship 390 is a nice boat. They had problems with the extended hull under the swim platform. It was bolted on and would get water inside it. They were foam filled so it was a PITA to fix. Sig out the foam, etc. check that the boat you are looking at has had this repair done.

I think that was with the earlier 350 models, and had been remedied by the time they were relabeled as 390.

Not completely sure... but someone else here is bound to know.

-Chris
 
The 390 seems to be a popular boat these days. Not sure when they were last made, but lots more than ten years ago IIRC.

I'll throw out some approximate numbers: 200k purchase, 20k first year improvements/personalization, 15-30k/yr direct ownership costs, unknown residual/depreciation.
 
Thanks all! Between this site, youtube and a couple marina walks, it looks like we are shifting priorities in our future boat. Now an older Jefferson 42 sundeck has the Admiral's eye. Turns out she prefers the layout, especially galley and aft "large" stateroom. Slip availability is becoming a big issue....
 
A new question....I get thrusters on a single engine and had experience with bow thruster before. But I'm not seeing them often on twin engine. Because they aren't needed/worth it?
 
A new question....I get thrusters on a single engine and had experience with bow thruster before. But I'm not seeing them often on twin engine. Because they aren't needed/worth it?

Thats due to the fact that you can put one engine in forward gear and the other in reverse. This will make the boat turn "on a dime". In other word, pivot from where the prop are located.
 
A new question....I get thrusters on a single engine and had experience with bow thruster before. But I'm not seeing them often on twin engine. Because they aren't needed/worth it?

What Iggy said, (But maybe a quarter, instead of a dime.)

But thrusters on twins aren't really uncommon, especially as newer boats get longer. Ours came with a thruster, factory installed, as do many others.

Also, if you want a particular boat but would also like a thruster... you can usually add one afterwards.

-Chris
 
Some boats are still a handful with twins. Any gasser with small props and rudders for speed and the props even slightly recessed in pockets can be a bitc* to pivot...and forbid the rudders are slightly off center. On single engine maneuvering, these boats are dang near unmanageable... so a bow thruster is wonderful.

Others like my sportfish diesel with sufficient rudders could thread the needle without thrusters even on one engine. So that whole setup will always be boat dependent in my mind and experience.

Agree with Chris that no matter what boat you buy, if you truly love the boat for everything but normal or emergency handling, adding thruster(s) is an inexpensive icing on the cake.
 
Thanks all! Between this site, youtube and a couple marina walks, it looks like we are shifting priorities in our future boat. Now an older Jefferson 42 sundeck has the Admiral's eye. Turns out she prefers the layout, especially galley and aft "large" stateroom. Slip availability is becoming a big issue....
Potters Marine in Bath NC on the pamlico river 252 945 0189 . I talked to them last week . Dont know what is available, I was looking to buy a 38 footer. Since then I have found a President 43 . He stste $7.00 a foot and 10% discount for full yr paid in full.
 
That's $7.00 a foot per month? Just curious because we would like to relocate at some point, so I am interested in what people are paying for slips.
 
Once you cross 50’ it’s far more common to have a bow thruster, on a twin, than to not have one. A bow thruster on a twin allows you to drive the boat sideways.
 
I'm thinking about adding a stern thruster to my twin. I can point the bow anywhere with the engines and then just move the stern as needed.

Also very easy to do with swim platform mount.
 
Time flies, but the newest 390's made are all over 20 years old now. Your ownership costs will vary depending on the cost of storage (both wet and dry), insurance and to a large degree how much of the maintenance you plan to take on yourself.

My parents own a 390 and their operating expenses are probably about as low as you could possibly get at around $10-15k per year. This includes storage, insurance, recurring maintenance as well as a moderate repair or rebuild of a system each year. For example, last year the flybridge between the two benches that face each other (under the table) needed to be re-cored, my mother and father did the project themselves. My father remains very capable at 78 (and I won't share my mother's age), he is slowing down a little but still far more likely to take on a project prior to hiring it out. The year before that, the single Yanmar was due for intercooler and head exchanger service, which he performed himself. One or two years back, the generator needed a new head gasket. They keep the boat at a very reasonable marina in Solomons, MD. This approximate cost does not include fuel and transient dockage costs, as they vary dramatically with usage.

We happen to be a Mainship family, and I have an old 34'. Interestingly, my operating expenses are very similar to my parents, my boat is a bit cheaper to insure and I keep it at what I consider to be an upscale marina so our costs even out. My boat requires annual projects to keeper her operational, a bit larger in scale but still pretty affordable because I'm not paying for anyone else's. It is nice to be able to lean on each other's experience and for a hand, plus we always have something to talk about or plan. I have quite a bit of fiberglass experience and some mechanical experience as well, my father is less thrilled about fiberglass work, but he is perfectly capable and digs right into it and is capable of taking on any mechanical project. He can keep himself pretty busy helping friends keep their boats operating over the season.
 
Gdavid, you may recall I met your parents when they were bringing their 390 home. 2019?

Glad to hear they're active and well.
 
I'm thinking about adding a stern thruster to my twin. I can point the bow anywhere with the engines and then just move the stern as needed.

Also very easy to do with swim platform mount.
Depending upon the conditions and the boat I think often stern thrusters are often undersized to be all that useful. With a twin in lighter winds and currents I don't see much reason to need a stern thruster as the twins can move it. What I would use more often is a bow thruster so I can better "walk" the boat. It takes so much less HP to move the bow vs. the stern of a trawler so if you do go with a stern thruster I would upsize it. If on the other hand you don't have a bow thruster that would probably be where I first spent new money. But that is $25K +/-. So a stern thruster might be less expensive but in my experience I would rather spend 2-3X to get a good bow thruster vs. saving money and getting a stern thruster that might not be all that helpful.

Clearly this depends upon a lot of variable circumstances and may just come down to personal preference and budget. I had a stern thruster on a 38 PT Trawler and my experience was not great. Mostly went unused and could not really work well to bail out of any significant wind/current conditions. The twin props do most of the work and hard to have a third hand to even operate a thruster. Of course one could spend another $25K+ to add electronic controls to mechanical engines coupled with bow/stern thrusters.
 
Gdavid, you may recall I met your parents when they were bringing their 390 home. 2019?

Glad to hear they're active and well.
I appreciate the reminder, I lose track of who is who between cyber and real life. They were anxious to complete the trip and get home but they were able to relax just enough to appreciate the special trip it was. It really was one of their best boating experiences. We are planning to make a small buddy boat trip to Cape May this summer, I'm still a working stiff.
 
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