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I'm in the market for a well-maintained, good condition and ready for extended cruising 35-40ft trawler, model year 1997 or newer. My budget is around $150 USD or equivalent in CAD.
Located in BC preferred, but PNW is fine.
Not particularly interested in Chinese-built models, but will consider if price and condition are right
If you have a trawler that fits the bill or know of one coming on the market, please reach out! Thanks.
 
I'm in the market for a well-maintained, good condition and ready for extended cruising 35-40ft trawler, model year 1997 or newer. My budget is around $150 USD or equivalent in CAD.
Located in BC preferred, but PNW is fine.
Not particularly interested in Chinese-built models, but will consider if price and condition are right
If you have a trawler that fits the bill or know of one coming on the market, please reach out! Thanks.
I'm assuming you mean 150 thousand. I'd buy another trawler for $150.

Ted
 
The “Chinese built” boat is probably going to be the only boat available in that price range. A 42 or 36 Krogen would be at the top of my list. They are well built and probably have all the quirks worked out. I wouldn’t be afraid of an 80s era model either. My previous 1985 Krogen Manatee just sold for more than when it was brand new. Just sayin…
 
The “Chinese built” boat is probably going to be the only boat available in that price range. A 42 or 36 Krogen would be at the top of my list. They are well built and probably have all the quirks worked out. I wouldn’t be afraid of an 80s era model either. My previous 1985 Krogen Manatee just sold for more than when it was brand new. Just sayin…
What are you thoughts on KK 39?
 
What are you thoughts on KK 39?
I've been on a couple of KK 39s and thought it a good boat with updated systems compared to a KK 42. Based on the age though, each boat will be based on a good design but more importantly on previous owner(s) maintenance.

Ted
 
I'm in the market for a well-maintained, good condition and ready for extended cruising 35-40ft trawler, model year 1997 or newer. My budget is around $150 USD or equivalent in CAD.
Located in BC preferred, but PNW is fine.
Not particularly interested in Chinese-built models, but will consider if price and condition are right
If you have a trawler that fits the bill or know of one coming on the market, please reach out! Thanks.
A broker in Sidney has not one, but two (U.S.-built) Mainship 350s for sale, both late '90s models. Here's one:
 
Mainships 350/390 are okay, but as far as I know, many early models before 2000 have a swim platform water intrusion issue. It’s not a huge deal on its own, but it does give some perspective on their overall quality. No?
 
The company issued instructions for a warranty fix to the swim platform issue, and as far as I can tell most were taken care of. The MS 350/390 is the most popular boat on the Loop circuit. Many of them are veterans of multiple ~6,000-mile loop journeys. They’re not perfect (no boat is) but they have a good track record and reputation among Loopers. Not many of them make it to the PNW/BC cruising grounds (I’m curious how those two 350s wound up in the same brokerage in Sidney). I may be biased— my wife and I are under contract for a 2001 MS 390, with the survey and sea trial scheduled next week.

For your budget (which was also our budget) it’s a lot of boat. Don’t think you’ll find any KK 39s (at least not one in good shape) for 150k.
 
I didn’t consider the 39 because it would be out of your price range. Otherwise, a great boat that would be a big update and better/higher tech build materials used.
There is one nice KK39 for sale in Vancouver, but as you said, they're asking twice my budget
 
Mainships 350/390 are okay, but as far as I know, many early models before 2000 have a swim platform water intrusion issue. It’s not a huge deal on its own, but it does give some perspective on their overall quality. No?

No, not really. An example of a builder screw-up, yes, but then again many builders seem to enjoy adding one or two of those to all their boats... just to make ownership more interesting. Reading suggests the MS swim platform thing a) is relatively easy to fix, and b) probably already fixed under warranty anyway.

Our first big-ish boat was an older Mainship 34 Mk III, pretty well built and inexpensive to run, not a Cadillac... but a pretty good Chevy. We shopped on 350s as a replacement when they first came out, they spoke to almost everything we could imagine improving on our 34 -- wider beam, stairs to bridge, etc. -- but we just took another path for a while instead.

-Chris
 
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Why a trawler? Given that you will likely cruise only in the PNW, and like the rest of us travel at 10kts or less. Take a look at the North American built craft. This fleet is better built than most if not all off shore creations. They have engines, excluding Volvo, that have easily acquired spare parts. I could go on, but boating for over 60 yrs I have found that the majority of pleasure craft in the range you are seeking are semi displacement. Oh yes, remember that boats in your range are designed to drink 6, feed 4 and sleep 2, crewed by two, one of whom is basically a galley slave and a bed warmer. Good luck

I owen a 1998 Bayliner 4087- and has met all the criteria of a vessel used in the PNW. PS. Many great buys in Canada.
 
Why a trawler? Given that you will likely cruise only in the PNW, and like the rest of us travel at 10kts or less. Take a look at the North American built craft. This fleet is better built than most if not all off shore creations. They have engines, excluding Volvo, that have easily acquired spare parts. I could go on, but boating for over 60 yrs I have found that the majority of pleasure craft in the range you are seeking are semi displacement. Oh yes, remember that boats in your range are designed to drink 6, feed 4 and sleep 2, crewed by two, one of whom is basically a galley slave and a bed warmer. Good luck

I owen a 1998 Bayliner 4087- and has met all the criteria of a vessel used in the PNW. PS. Many great buys in Canada.
I thought about it, and my main concern is fuel consumption and as a result a longer cruising range and lower operating costs than most traditional cruisers. Also trawlers have better stability at low speed, comfort, and storage that suited me better for extended cruising onboard. That said, I’ve been racing sailboats for the last 30 years, so most of the above is either based on conversations with powerboat owners at my marina or opinions from the web. I’m fairly open at this point if presented with solid evidence.
 
Maybe a motor sailor like below?
 

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I thought about it, and my main concern is fuel consumption and as a result a longer cruising range and lower operating costs than most traditional cruisers. Also trawlers have better stability at low speed, comfort, and storage that suited me better for extended cruising onboard.

If you control the throttle as if you're in a trawler, powerboats with semi-displacement hulls and many with planing hulls can be relatively economical. For example, 1.5 NMPG in ours might have been 2 NMPG in a similar-length trawler. FWIW, fuel isn't our largest annual expense... even with 1800 hp.

Some sea states aren't so great for planing hulls at slow speeds, but that's generally manageable... with weather layovers or briefly planing or both. Otherwise, you might not notice much in the way of stability difference unless comparing to an actually-stabilized boat of some sort. Ditto storage; you might not notice.

Boat layout and features is what we shop for. Engine and hull are what they are, within reason.

-Chris
 
Maybe a motor sailor like below?
I’m not getting any younger, and dealing with sails especially in rough conditions is becoming physically harder. During summer cruising, I sail under power 90% of the time, and in the remaining 10%, the wind always seems to blow directly from where I’m headed, and tacking significantly lengthening the trip. Also neither my wife nor the dogs enjoy the excessive heeling upwind. Lastly, I want to try motorboating, as it’s something new for me
 
what is, aside from the moorage, insurance and regular maintenance?
For us on our old trawler, our annual expenses from most expensive are Moorage to include=(summer slip, winter haul and storage, and shrinkwrap), maintenance/upgrades, insurance and fuel. We are not fulltimers but just weekend warriors with a two week vacation in the summer. We are in the Northeast so we get about six months in the water and six months out of the water.
 
I’m not getting any younger, and dealing with sails especially in rough conditions is becoming physically harder. During summer cruising, I sail under power 90% of the time, and in the remaining 10%, the wind always seems to blow directly from where I’m headed, and tacking significantly lengthening the trip. Also neither my wife nor the dogs enjoy the excessive heeling upwind. Lastly, I want to try motorboating, as it’s something new for me
I was thinking you would use it like a trawler and use the sails for steadying in rough conditions and anchoring to keep you facing the wind.
 
For us on our old trawler, our annual expenses from most expensive are Moorage to include=(summer slip, winter haul and storage, and shrinkwrap), maintenance/upgrades, insurance and fuel. We are not fulltimers but just weekend warriors with a two week vacation in the summer. We are in the Northeast so we get about six months in the water and six months out of the water.
In the context of this conversation, we are comparing the annual expenses between 400 HP and 1800 HP engines. The moorage will be a major expense, but it will be the same for any vessel of similar length. Insurance probably won’t be much different either. As for maintenance, common sense tells me that servicing a trawler diesel engine is easier and cheaper than maintaining a high-speed beast.

So, the only thing left is fuel. Do the math - compare 2 GPH to 20 GPH, and if you're cruising 500+ hours a year, fuel consumption will easily be your highest annual expense, especially with Canadian fuel prices.
 
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In the context of this conversation, we are comparing the annual expenses between 400 HP and 1800 HP engines. The moorage will be a major expense, but it will be the same for any vessel of similar length. Insurance probably won’t be much different either. As for maintenance, common sense tells me that servicing a trawler diesel engine is easier and cheaper than maintaining a high-speed beast.

So, the only thing left is fuel. Do the math - compare 2 GPH to 20 GPH, and if you're cruising 500+ hours a year, fuel consumption will easily be your highest annual expense, especially with Canadian fuel prices.
I agree, type of boat and use profile can be vastly different, that is why I included mine with my response. When I was shopping I came across some decent sport fishers but the big engine and fuel consumption and maintenance related was not something I wanted to contend with. I am very happy with our boat and the costs associated with running and enjoying her.
 
what is, aside from the moorage, insurance and regular maintenance?

Those are most of them. "Maintenance" usually first (especially hired maintenance), then moorage, then insurance. AND... the occasional (but slightly more discretionary) cost of a significant upgrade, like some new electronics, for example. Moorage in two forms: home dock, and transient marinas/moorings. Fuel well behind all those combined.

Annual underwater work is one of the biggest subsets of our maintenance category. Another is system replacement, for when something craps out (like an AC, water heater, etc.).

In the context of this conversation, we are comparing the annual expenses between 400 HP and 1800 HP engines. The moorage will be a major expense, but it will be the same for any vessel of similar length. Insurance probably won’t be much different either. As for maintenance, common sense tells me that servicing a trawler diesel engine is easier and cheaper than maintaining a high-speed beast.

So, the only thing left is fuel. Do the math - compare 2 GPH to 20 GPH, and if you're cruising 500+ hours a year, fuel consumption will easily be your highest annual expense, especially with Canadian fuel prices.

Like I said, some depend how much "foot" you use on your throttles. If we run at our hull speed, approx 8.5 kts, we see about 2.0-4.0 GPH total (depending on wind, tide, current, etc.)... even with 1800 available HP. Maybe using only 2 or 3 of those 1800. OK a little more, but not much. :)

Yes, if we're on plane at 30 kts, fuel goes south quickly... but we often have a choice about that... whereas with a displacement hull, not much choice available. Even then, 30 kts for an hour or so sometimes makes for a decent visit at the destination (not a recommendation) or gets us out of the slop sooner.

Even with our longer semi-annual ICW trips, and usually 200-250 days aboard during a given year, we've usually only racked up a couple hundred actual engine hours/year.

-Chris
 
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Like I said, some depend how much "foot" you use on your throttles. If we run at our hull speed, approx 8.5 kts, we see about 2.0-4.0 GPH total (depending on wind, tide, current, etc.)... even with 1800 available HP. Maybe using only 2 or 3 of those 1800. OK a little more, but not much. :)

Sorry, should have typed 4.0-6.0 GPH total...

-Chris
 
I'm in the market for a well-maintained, good condition and ready for extended cruising 35-40ft trawler, model year 1997 or newer. My budget is around $150 USD or equivalent in CAD.
Located in BC preferred, but PNW is fine.
Not particularly interested in Chinese-built models, but will consider if price and condition are right
If you have a trawler that fits the bill or know of one coming on the market, please reach out! Thanks.
You asked for more info. Here's list of items addressed. Glad to send photos but its a pain to do through this forum for me. Twin Yanmars 4LH-STE, from receipts looks like they were rebuilt. Current hours less than 1500.
Northern Lights generator has less the 34 hours. Bullfrog dingy with 15hp Honda, Sea Wise lift. No foam in swim platform. Can call/text me at 503.339.6214.
 

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Well maintained Nauticat's are very nice and well built boats. I've been on 4 or 5 of various sizes. They build over 2500 form 30-52' in Finland over the years.
 
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