I'm surprised I don't see more N59CP

[tonykool]

Just an observation after following the market the last couple of years. I'm surprised I don't see more Nordhavn 59CP. Does anyone know how many have been built so far? In terms of comfort, galley, engine room, etc, it seems almost unmatched in the coastal cruiser category. Yes, I understand not everyone can afford the initial cost. I know there are a number of older boats in the 50-60 ft range that are pretty good, but if you are looking for a newer boat it seems like this is the way to go.

I realize this thread is out there, but it didn't seem to address why we don't see more of them. I understand people might like the aesthetics of a Fleming or Grand Banks more, but in terms of relative value and comfort, it seems like the N59CP is unrivaled. My understanding is 10-12 Fleming 55's are built each year.

In terms of cost, it seems like the N59CP is quite a bit less than the Fleming or Grand Banks. Are the interiors of these other boats that much better?

Any N59CP owners on her care to speculate? Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

 

[twistedtree]

I think about 5 have been built.

 

[Nordlund Xpress]

Very nice, well built and very heavy (starts at 88,000 lbs). By contrast our Nordlund 57 Express is also a coastal cruiser and weighs in at 36,000 lbs. Based on published performance specs, depending on RPM, the Nordlund is between 50% and 100% more fuel efficient, with significantly higher cruise and top end speeds. But fuel is only one feature to consider and I'd certainly give serious consideration the 59CP if it was within my budget. My observation is that the brand in built around an incredible reputation for full displacement ocean crossing trawlers. Their attempts to broaden the brand with the 75 SF, the 56MS and the 59CP appear to have attracted a smaller followings. These all appear to be great boats and I've been on each model and admired many features and design of each, but brands are a funny thing - remember when Coke tried New Coke? I've been on board The Dog House, 59CP currently for sale - it's a very nice boat with numerous custom features above others 59CPs, and would put it high on the list if the style works for you.

 

[rslifkin]

By contrast our Nordlund 57 Express is also a coastal cruiser and weighs in at 36,000 lbs

Even for dry weight and a boat meant to plane, that's very light for a 57 foot boat.

 

[Jklotz]

I'm not an authority by any means, but IMHO, Nordhavn is know for bluewater, ocean going boats built like the proverbial tank. The 59CP is a big departure from that. Flemming, GB, Krogen Express, etc and brands who are known for the "fast trawler" style boat. I'm sure the N is a great boat, but breaking into new markets, at that price point, is a big challenge, even for an established company like Nordhavn.

 

[Nordlund Xpress]

Even for dry weight and a boat meant to plane, that's very light for a 57 foot boat.

It is. Ours may be a bit of an anomaly, as the original owner was coming out of a Santa Cruz 52 and wanted a very stable, light, performance oriented design. It was not an inexpensive boat to build. Nordlund is known for building very strong, relatively light boats, most for the last 30+ years designed by Ed Monk Jr, but with lots of materials engineering by Tim Nolan for weight savings. Since Ed retired, Tim has taken over the navel architecture design and continues the focus on materials and weight savings. In any case, while very different, we are admirers of the Nordhavn 59CP. It's actually our favorite.

 

[Jklotz]

 

[tonykool]

Thanks for posting. Do you know where that was video was shot?

 

[twistedtree]

It is. Ours may be a bit of an anomaly, as the original owner was coming out of a Santa Cruz 52 and wanted a very stable, light, performance oriented design. It was not an inexpensive boat to build. Nordlund is known for building very strong, relatively light boats, most for the last 30+ years designed by Ed Monk Jr, but with lots of materials engineering by Tim Nolan for weight savings. Since Ed retired, Tim has taken over the navel architecture design and continues the focus on materials and weight savings. In any case, while very different, we are admirers of the Nordhavn 59CP. It's actually our favorite.

As others have mentioned, that's an exceptionally light boat. What is the hull construction? I expect it's cored at least above the waterline, and perhaps even below the WL?

 

[Nordlund Xpress]

Nordlunds have a hitech composite, resin infused, fully cored (Airex and CoreCell) hull, above and below the waterline. This is not inexpensive construction, rather the opposite. They are in the camp that includes Westport Yachts, that believes very well engineered and materials speck'd hulls correctly built are stronger than solid core hulls. Controversial among many, but not so much among navel architects as we found in our due diligence. Other weight was saved by using aircraft materials, carbon fiber (even our aft deck table is carbon fiber, though it looks like wood). Other advantages are noise reduction, insulating qualities and significantly above average fuel consumption. For those in California, the Long Beach Pilot boats are 63' similarly built Nordlund's, as are many more pilot boats in the PNW. Below is there latest build, Caldazor.

 

[KarmaII]

Just an observation after following the market the last couple of years. I'm surprised I don't see more Nordhavn 59CP. Does anyone know how many have been built so far? In terms of comfort, galley, engine room, etc, it seems almost unmatched in the coastal cruiser category. Yes, I understand not everyone can afford the initial cost. I know there are a number of older boats in the 50-60 ft range that are pretty good, but if you are looking for a newer boat it seems like this is the way to go.

I realize this thread is out there, but it didn't seem to address why we don't see more of them. I understand people might like the aesthetics of a Fleming or Grand Banks more, but in terms of relative value and comfort, it seems like the N59CP is unrivaled. My understanding is 10-12 Fleming 55's are built each year.

In terms of cost, it seems like the N59CP is quite a bit less than the Fleming or Grand Banks. Are the interiors of these other boats that much better?

Any N59CP owners on her care to speculate? Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

We had Hull #2 5902 the first motor yacht version. IMO the 59CP series for Nordhavn should have been among the most popular models but I think their marketing just didn’t resonate with the coastal cruiser community. It is an amazing vessel for the under 60’ class. Is it as pretty as the Flemmings or GB’s no, it’s a nordhavn through and through. We happen to love the robustness and overbuilt systems. Marketing is its downfall, just being a great boat isn’t enough in this day and age.

 

[tonykool]

We had Hull #2 5902 the first motor yacht version. IMO the 59CP series for Nordhavn should have been among the most popular models but I think their marketing just didn’t resonate with the coastal cruiser community. It is an amazing vessel for the under 60’ class. Is it as pretty as the Flemmings or GB’s no, it’s a nordhavn through and through. We happen to love the robustness and overbuilt systems. Marketing is its downfall, just being a great boat isn’t enough in this day and age.

That was kind of my point with the original question I posted. I'm looking at the 59CP and Flemings (probably 55/58). The advantages I see of the 59CP are:

1. Engine Room - it looks way more usable than the F55, and also better than the F58. I have been in the F55 and F58. I have not been in a 59CP yet.
2. Salon & Galley - Looks more spacious and the galley looks very manageable.
3. Berths - Again looks more spacious.
4. Value - I love Flemings, but so does everyone else. I think the most direct comp to the 59CP is the F58. There is a pretty big cost difference between a used F58 & the 59CP.

Please don't get me wrong with this post. I love them both. I just don't think the 59CP gets the credit it deserves. Maybe I shouldn't be pointing this out because it will make prices go up.

 

[twistedtree]

That was kind of my point with the original question I posted. I'm looking at the 59CP and Flemings (probably 55/58). The advantages I see of the 59CP are:

1. Engine Room - it looks way more usable than the F55, and also better than the F58. I have been in the F55 and F58. I have not been in a 59CP yet.
2. Salon & Galley - Looks more spacious and the galley looks very manageable.
3. Berths - Again looks more spacious.
4. Value - I love Flemings, but so does everyone else. I think the most direct comp to the 59CP is the F58. There is a pretty big cost difference between a used F58 & the 59CP.

Please don't get me wrong with this post. I love them both. I just don't think the 59CP gets the credit it deserves. Maybe I shouldn't be pointing this out because it will make prices go up.

Big price different new too. I expect an F58 is a $4m boat, where the 59CP was (any may still be) under $2m. That's a big difference.

 

[Nordlund Xpress]

I've been in the engine room of several CP59 Nordhavn's. It's really nice, and better than most boats I've been on up past 70', including both Fleming models. I was just on a Azimut 70 Sea Jet, which I would never want due to the engine room. Buy one Fleming or get a 'spare' N CP59 for the same $$$!

 

[Jklotz]

That was kind of my point with the original question I posted. I'm looking at the 59CP and Flemings (probably 55/58). The advantages I see of the 59CP are:

1. Engine Room - it looks way more usable than the F55, and also better than the F58. I have been in the F55 and F58. I have not been in a 59CP yet.
2. Salon & Galley - Looks more spacious and the galley looks very manageable.
3. Berths - Again looks more spacious.
4. Value - I love Flemings, but so does everyone else. I think the most direct comp to the 59CP is the F58. There is a pretty big cost difference between a used F58 & the 59CP.

Please don't get me wrong with this post. I love them both. I just don't think the 59CP gets the credit it deserves. Maybe I shouldn't be pointing this out because it will make prices go up.

The F55's engine room is pretty darn tight. 3.5' of headroom from what I remember. I'd hate to have to go poking around down there in any kind of sea, especially the engines were hot. 20 years ago, I don't think I'd have minded much though. Otherwise, it's a great looking boat.

 

[Nordlund Xpress]

Two can have lunch in the 59CP engine room! It's nicer than the N63 / N625. And that's with twin engines in the 59CP : )

 

[Andy G]

Even though the boat is well & truly out of my price range I was mightly impressed with that video presentation. It looked a lovely boat.Of course the asking price of $3.2 M is in US dollars taking it over a whopping $5M Aussie dollars!