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I have a 2006 34T with the Yanmar 370. It has the standard analog gauges that show how much fuel is in the single tank but does not show actual fuel consumption. So I have two questions- first has anyone used the input to that gauge and figured out how to get a Garmin 86xx system to read it? Or has anyone figured out how to get fuel consumption from the engine and input to the garmin system?
Thanks
 
Floscan used to make fuel flow gauges but they stopped probably because most new electronic engines can give fuel burn built in. Not sure if any other companies picked up where Floscan left off or not.
 
You're not going to find a black box to convert the analog fuel gauge to NEMA 2000.

Generally, engines that can't display fuel consumption on a digital display, lack the software in the engine computer to calculate the rate of consumption. If your engine in mechanically controlled as opposed to electronically controlled, it can't make the calculations.

Ted
 
I have the mechanically controlled 315 HP Yanmar and was fortunate to find another Mainship Pilot owner who had a new-in-the-box Floscan with all the proper parts for my engine for sale. It replaces the crummy analog tachometer which came with the boat because it has a digital tach, hour meter, and GPH readout. All in all, a worthwhile project. I have heard where Floscan is being revived, but there are various models of it for sale on eBay.
 
If your engine has a return flow to the tank you will need 2 gauges. Or, install a "day tank" for the return AND the input, then use Floscan upstream of that. Note that return flow is also dissipating heat from the injectors, and that function is minimized with a small tank.
 
I have a 2006 34T with the Yanmar 370. It has the standard analog gauges that show how much fuel is in the single tank but does not show actual fuel consumption. So I have two questions- first has anyone used the input to that gauge and figured out how to get a Garmin 86xx system to read it? Or has anyone figured out how to get fuel consumption from the engine and input to the garmin system?
Thanks
It is most likely that your Yanmar is electronically controlled "common rail" like my 2007 Cummins QSB 5.9. I have a VDO instrument that interfaces directly with the "engine control module" and provides complete engine monitoring including fuel consumption data. It is integrated with my Raymarine network. The photo only shows part of the info available. There are 7 other configurable pages that can disply any combination of the other data. Highly recommended!
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You wish to investigate this Aussie development .
 
I have a log of every fuel purchase with location, date, gallons, engine hours from the day we purchased the boat and hours between fuelings. It in excel so running some calculations is easy. Fuel burn averaged from day one, the long average. Average for each topping off. Dollars spent on fuel and so on.
We cruise at two speeds, either eight knots or fifteen. There’s always engine time at low rpm, entering and leaving marinas, no wake zones, trolling, idle time, etc that offsets the cruise speeds. So, while I can’t tell you accurately how much fuel I’m burning at any given rpm, I can use the date to plan a trip. For instance, the long average, over 1200 hours, is about six gph. If I’m planning on an eight knot speed because I’m traveling with some eight knot boats, I plan ten to eleven gph. If we have a long rum where we will be at around fifteen knots, I generally estimate thirteen to fifteen gph. Yes I’m burning more gallons per hour, but I’m getting there in about 60% of the time.
It’s about learning how your boat behaves so you can predict how it’s going to perform.
We are doing a four hundred mile trip in a few weeks and I plan on using my often overlooked miles traveled feature on my gps. I have four fuel stops planned, all with a working estimate of less than 200 gallons based on a one mile per gallon burn. The capacity is 300 gallons, so I’ve got plenty of margin.
It’s old school and it takes practice, but if I run out of fuel it will not be because of a faulty gauge.
 
I went with a $50 inline fuel gauge. Made in Japan, sold through a German company, but I don't remember the name. The gauge is at home, so I'll get it when back in July.

It's battery operated and simply splices into the fuel line. Motor at X rpm and read the fuel consumption in gph or lph. Note speed. Graph it on Excell. Then remove the flow meter. One could leave the flow meter in place and get a total of usage or stare at it all the time. I just keep the graph in my log book. It's not like fuel usage at X rpm is going to change. Well, I suppose somebody could make up a reason to constantly monitor fuel consumption such that a $1,500 NMEA system flashing on the MFD is absolutely necessary. Or maybe groovy. "Hey guys, look at this!"

My setup is fairly accurate with a Lehman returning so little, but having no need for repeated monitoring made having more connection points in my fuel line not worth it. I know that a drop of 1 inch on my tank sight gauges is 5.8 gallons, so I can get total amount used (to help with the next fill) fairly accurate. I also have that calculation in liters for filling up in Canada. I just wanted to know the speed/consumption "sweet spot" and the penalty paid for going stupid fast (over 7 knots). I was also curious about consumption at idle.

It was worth $50. Not sure it would be worth $200. I think the flow meter and LED gauge are in the garage at home.
 
Well, I suppose somebody could make up a reason to constantly monitor fuel consumption such that a $1,500 NMEA system flashing on the MFD is absolutely necessary. Or maybe groovy. "Hey guys, look at this!"
Depending on where and when you bought fuel, $1500 could be 200 gallons of diesel. Nice to know when your boat bottom is dirty or a little growth on the propeller, that you're burning more fuel and need to address a problem.

It's like a moving map chart plotter and autopilot versus paper charts, the cost was paid for in a few years with fuel and time savings.

Ted
 
Nice to know when your boat bottom is dirty or a little growth on the propeller
Yep, a $1,500 NMEA gauge to tell if your boat bottom is dirty or a little growth on the propeller. I'll tell you for $1,200 and cover my own airfare.:)
 
Yep, a $1,500 NMEA gauge to tell if your boat bottom is dirty or a little growth on the propeller. I'll tell you for $1,200 and cover my own airfare.:)
I averaged 5,000 miles per year for 8 years. Doubt you're coming out a couple times a year for 8 years for that one time payment. 🤣

Ted
 
You wish to investigate this Aussie development .
That looks to be a very nice unit for about $1,000 USD plus shipping. Being able to network it into NEMA 2000 is an added bonus!

Ted
 
I averaged 5,000 miles per year for 8 years. Doubt you're coming out a couple times a year for 8 years for that one time payment.
Depends on how warm the water.

The point is that I've yet to hear a good reason for a $1,500 NMEA real-time fuel usage gauge. It doesn't even tell you what you claim it does. With a $1,500 gauge, one must compare present usage to older logged readings and see if they are using more fuel for given speed (and then surmise a dirty bottom). I can use my $50 graph and compare if X rpm is still giving me X speed (and surmise a dirty bottom). Or, I can use the traditional method and perform a certified visual audit (aka look at the bottom) for free. Looking at the bottom can also eliminate other possibilities, like the quality of the diesel effecting usage (usually cetane levels).

Maybe somebody can come up with a valid justification for the gauge and a permanent installation. It still seems like an expensive, impractical distraction. The ultimate "Hey guys, look at this."
 
Depends on how warm the water.

The point is that I've yet to hear a good reason for a $1,500 NMEA real-time fuel usage gauge. It doesn't even tell you what you claim it does. With a $1,500 gauge, one must compare present usage to older logged readings and see if they are using more fuel for given speed (and then surmise a dirty bottom). I can use my $50 graph and compare if X rpm is still giving me X speed (and surmise a dirty bottom). Or, I can use the traditional method and perform a certified visual audit (aka look at the bottom) for free. Looking at the bottom can also eliminate other possibilities, like the quality of the diesel effecting usage (usually cetane levels).

Maybe somebody can come up with a valid justification for the gauge and a permanent installation. It still seems like an expensive, impractical distraction. The ultimate "Hey guys, look at this."
Why do you own any navigation electronics? Charts, parallel rules, a compass, and a lead line will get you where you want to go.

Stop buying diesel fuel and learn to sail like a real seamen.

We all pick and choose the equipment that will enhance our recreation.

Interestingly, my 10' Trinka with the Epropulsion electric outboard has a real-time fuel consumption gauge and a remaining fuel gauge for the battery. On 8 hour trips it's important to maintain consumption rate, unless you want to row home.

Ted
 
That's a sender for a gasoline motor only. Also, there's no provision to have a second sensor to subtract return fuel (mostly only applies to diesel engines).

Ted
Ahhhh - yes.
 
Why do you own any navigation electronics?
Just saying that I can't think of anything that could be less important to show up on an MFD while underway. Maybe watching ESPN on the MFD. I probably shouldn't say that. Somebody will come up with a $1,500 NMEA connection that allows watching TV cricket matches on their Garmin. Some might claim that is also a modern must have.

Fuel consumption isn't a complex computation and I have yet to hear a $1,500 justification for real-time fuel consumption on a trawler. Anybody have a better reason for constant fuel flow showing up on their MFD?
 
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