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hello all! it’s several years away but looking to do the loop in early retirement. How do you all learn about the diesel engines most boats have? Do u wait until you found the right boat or is their general diesel engine training you did beforehand? Thanks!
 
The USPS (United States Power Squadrons, usps.org) used to have (maybe still does) diesel classes open to their members. Also try your local community colleges. I went the "before" route.
 
Thanks!
The USPS (United States Power Squadrons, usps.org) used to have (maybe still does) diesel classes open to their members. Also try your local community colleges. I went the "before" route.
Thanks! All community colleges in Florida are now "state schools" and they dropped classes like small engine repair, diesel engine etc.....they now have more athletics where they compete with other "state schools"...terrible decision in my mind...
 
Well...Florida.

And as Delta Riverat pointed out, there are always books. I wore out several editions of Nigel Calder's books (he has several).
 
Well...Florida.

And as Delta Riverat pointed out, there are always books. I wore out several editions of Nigel Calder's books (he has several).
Indeed! Will order the recommend book and the USPS does have classes within 100 miles, so I'll join and make some future weekends out of the class! Thanks again!
 
Indeed! Will order the recommend book and the USPS does have classes within 100 miles, so I'll join and make some future weekends out of the class! Thanks again!
I think joining USPS/ABC is an excellent first step. In addition to engine maint classes the significant side benefit to membership is you gain an instant network of other boaters with similar interests. Granted not all will have diesels but you will likely find valuable contacts / resources and every one knows more resources that might be of help. Volunteering to assist a member with some maint chores like eng / trans fluid / filter changes could provide some hands on experience as well.
Once you have a boat some more specific training re your engine(s) would be appropriate.
 
Annapolis School of Seamanship has diesel courses. And they often present at least the shorter one at gatherings like Trawler Fest and the Annapolis Boat Shows.

-Chris
 
Big boat shows often have seminars and presentations. This isn't specific to trawlers. Lots of sailors have similar concerns, and you can get up to speed on the basics with just about any small marine diesel.
 
Some general diesel engine courses before hand is a good idea, and it might help you find obvious problems when boat shopping (before hiring a surveyor and engine surveyor). Most of these courses also cover how diesels operate and their basic systems/components, which is useful for beginners.
After you own your "new" boat, hiring a local mechanic who is willing to instruct you as he goes along is what I did, and it worked out great for me.
Basic diesel maintenance entails: regular oil and filter changes, transmission fluid changes, fuel filter changes both primary and secondary, belt inspection/change, changing or cleaning an air filter, engine cooling system maintenance (which involves every 4-5 years (in salt water use) removing components from the engine for thorough cleaning and pressure testing, changing coolant, etc.) etc. The more you feel comfortable doing yourself, the less money you will spend and the more independent you will be.
 
Some schools, high schools teach/taught mechanics. Try approaching them for some info. It will be general but much better than nothing.
--about oil changes and frequency
--use of oil testing labs (oil samples) such as Caterpillar which I have used for 40+ years not only for my boats but at work.
--Try your local mechanic 0r shop and ask them. Don't expect to be lead around but they should be capable of some good ideas.
--If you have boat mechanics then ask them. THey are usually busy enough to get you started. They may ask for some time money but ask.
 
If your mind is as porous as mine, you might want to wait until you're closer to purchase to assure you remember the subject matter. Also, in broad terms, the engine you end up will determine much about how much you can do yourself. Modern common rail are quite a bit different than old school Ford Lehman or Perkins. Turbo adds some complexity too. And size matters - diesel parts get big and heavy very quickly. Thankfully, my ancient Perkins is one of the most reliable pieces of equipment on my boat.

And you have to decide what level of knowledge you want - enough to do repairs if needed (pull an injection pump, replace injectors, etc), or just maintenance. There isn't a ton of maintenance on diesels. Change oil, adjust valves from time to time (a bit tricky and somewhat engine specific), check engine alignment (also tricky), change water pump impellor, and a few other things. Some of the maintenance is beyond the motor and gear - stuffing box for example.

Finding a good mechanic who will let you peek over his shoulder is probably your best bet.

Peter
 
I would not worry too much at this stage. By doing a course now, you might land up in a situation where you, learn things you will never need, and will only serve to confuse you, eg. you learn a chapter about timing injector pumps and you really get that down. Then you buy a boat with Detroit 8v92's and you cannot for the life of you find the injector pump.

I would get specific information on your exact engines, and I would get a friendly mechanic, pay them by the hour, provide cold beers, and ask him/her to attend last thing on a Friday.


Ask them to show you how to bleed air from your fuel system. (75% of all diesel problems)
How to change an impeller and what the symptoms of a worn one are,
What "Making Oil" is and how to diagnose it.
Shoot a few areas on the engine with an IR gun and write the temps down at the spot you shot.
Ask about the risks of extended cranking with seacock open.
Use your phone/camera and make your own specific documentary.

These forums and others are amazing sources of information, but do not clutter your mind with them now..,
Learn YOUR engines.
 
Congratulations navyfsu on your pending retirement and entry! All prior comments are worthy and excellent advice. I do think that learning more than the basics before knowing your specific engine might be unnecessary. Nigel Calder's books are fantastic sources of baseline knowledge. Once you identify your specific unit, it will be time to delve into those specific peculiarities ... they all seem to have them. If you end up with a Yanmar power plant, Mac Boring in Somerset NJ is a major supplier and conducts, several times each year, multi-day workshops with advanced training specific to your engine. It is fun to do your own work, just admit ahead of time that it will probably take you several times longer than it would take a professional mechanic. The pay off though is worth it ... satisfaction, confidence, and not inconsequential cost savings.
 
hello all! it’s several years away but looking to do the loop in early retirement. How do you all learn about the diesel engines most boats have? Do u wait until you found the right boat or is their general diesel engine training you did beforehand? Thanks!
BoatersUniversity.com they have good courses on several topics, including 1 I've done so far titled:

Marine Diesel Maintenance & Troubleshooting

 
I work as a marine engineer, and everyday theres something I’m referring to off YouTube, and the interwebs… why too much stuff, to just know it all.

Having a basic mindset of how things mechanical work, and a good cellular plan goes a long way.. what do they say… There’s no such thing as a bad question… networking at the dock and on media like this, goes a long way too.

I’ve learned most about marine mechanics, by having to figure it out, as it broke… I can’t even express how many times that I did a job, and said to myself… “I’m NEVER doing it that way again !”
 
navyfsu, I'm in the same position you're in, with a few years out until a (probable) Great Loop. Thanks for asking this question. I trust I'll be able to find this thread again when the time is right.

FWIW, I can recommend a book on diesels that will not help you in the least (practically speaking) but might interest you a great deal! I thoroughly enjoyed Douglas Brunt's "The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel." It's a history of the invention/inventor of the Diesel motor, and there is a surprising twist in it (thus, the title). The book seems well-researched, and it does not lag the way some histories do.
 
hello all! it’s several years away but looking to do the loop in early retirement. How do you all learn about the diesel engines most boats have? Do u wait until you found the right boat or is their general diesel engine training you did beforehand? Thanks!
I went to a course in Vero Beach put on my Capt. Chris. I'm fairly handy but knew nothing about diesels or boat maintenance before doing the Loop. The Boat Systems class was very helpful. Captain Chris - Captain Chris Yacht Services
 
Check with the Great Lakes Cruising Club. They have had extensive courses on Diesel Maintenance in the past and copies may be available now. It would be a good idea to join anyway if you're going to spend much time in the lakes, as they have the most extensive cruising information available.
 
When I got my diesel trawler , I enrolled into a night class on diesel engines at a techical school . After a few weeks of book work , 5 of us were teamed up on our own diesel . Took in apart and id's each part , then put it back together and got it running to pass the course . Learned enough to find a problem and repaired it or take it to the right shop . Had older Perkins so not much eletronics
 
EXCELLENT stuff above, everybody! As I read all those comments, I recalled my history with diesels and how I learned to take care of mine. I wish there had been a good course of instruction nearby when I bought my Grand Banks 42 in 1986.

Besides being an "operating engineer" in 1965-6 on 80-foot patrol boats equipped with four Detroit 671s where I certainly did NOT ever put a wrench to one, my earliest experience of diesels in the 1960s, 70s and early 80s included merely the knowledge that there were emergency diesel gensets aboard the ships (mostly destroyers) I served in. Then I was the deck department head in a ship with a number of diesel-powered landing craft the maintenance of whose engines was not my job - my guys just ran them. After that I commanded a Fleet Tug with four big 16-cylinder Cat D399s for propulsion and smaller Detriots for electrical power - again, I was not directly involved with maintenance.

After all that, truly knowing little about them, I bought a boat with two diesel mains (Ford-Lehman 120) and a diesel genny. Luckily, I inherited a smallish bit of my father's mechanical ability and combined with reading boating magazines of the day and talking to mechanics and others I was able to flesh out a maintenance plan and began to diagnose insipient problems before they became big problems. When you think of it, there are only a few, but important, things the "average" owner can do to maintain boat diesels, but after three decades owning that boat, I had performed way more involved tasks on the engines than the normal guy would attempt. In all that time, never did I have a mechanic aboard for engine work except once to help extract a broken exhaust system bolt from the head.

THEN I changed boats to one with a high-revving, turbo charged (new to me) Yanmar with difficult access to the engine. This was 2015 and looking at all of the above comments on available training courses I wonder why I was not smart enough to seek out one for new-to-me engine because I was truly initially intimidated by it, and I studied everything I could find on it. The old Fords cruised quietly and comfortably at 1600 RPM while the Yanmar is happy ROARING along at twice that RPM. Through places like Trawler Forum and the sadly defunct Boatdiesel.com, I learned of some catastrophes with my engine and how to prevent them. Early on, I had a mechanic perform a couple of critical, preventive maintenance actions and carefully watched his every move to learn to do them myself. Staying in touch with others who have this engine has been very helpful, and the Yanmar main and the NextGen generator and I have since settled into a comfortable relationship where we all do what is expected of us.

None of my experience has been with common rail or electronically controlled engines, and I think I am glad I do not have complications like electronics to deal with.

All the above blather about learning engines does not even touch on the kind of everyday work that goes into maintaining a boat which vastly exceeds engine maintenance, and there are lots of courses and YouTube videos out there on that stuff you can look at now.
 
I'm not too proud to admit that I learned by trial and error. Mostly error. Then I learned how to install a shiny new engine almost entirely by myself. The biggest takeaway lesson is not to treat it like the engine in a modern car, i.e, jump in, start up and drive. Treat it like the engine in the old bomb cars that we had in our teens, i.e. before going anywhere, check everything in the engine bay that can be checked without serious dismantling. There are loads of videos on YT that that will give you a basic understanding of how diesels work, as well as how to maintain them. Once you have your boat, search for operating and basic maintenance videos for the specific make and preferably model.
 
Funny story (I forget where I read this one): Cruiser in an anchorage wants to learn how to maintain his diesel, and invites neighbor over to teach him. Neighbor arrives and cruiser says, "The first thing I want to know is, where are the spark plugs?" That's when neighbor knew it was going to be a long day....
 
navyfsu, I'm in the same position you're in, with a few years out until a (probable) Great Loop. Thanks for asking this question. I trust I'll be able to find this thread again when the time is right.

FWIW, I can recommend a book on diesels that will not help you in the least (practically speaking) but might interest you a great deal! I thoroughly enjoyed Douglas Brunt's "The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel." It's a history of the invention/inventor of the Diesel motor, and there is a surprising twist in it (thus, the title). The book seems well-researched, and it does not lag the way some histories do.

Agree..and its surprising who the licensee was for the US, and why
 
I think a basic understanding of how a diesel engine works could be easily found on YouTube or even using an A.I. tool. If your motivation is to be prepared for any possible problem you might experience while cruising, you might be better off asking owners of engines like the one in the boat you finally buy what typical problems they had and what did they do to figure out the cause and make a repair. Carry common spares. Filters, clamps, hose and of course some test tools. On my own boat I had to leave it at a marina for several months. When I returned and tried to start the engine (single diesel Caterpillar) it cranked over fine but would not start. The problem turned out to be the fire suppression system that interrupts the fuel solenoid relay. Luckily for me I was able to by-pass that system. But that had more to do with understanding how electricity worked and less how a diesel engine worked. Good luck in your training!!!
 
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