Dangers of the ICW

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Fair warning, I'm going to rant a little bit. Feel free to click on over to the next thread and spare yourself. You've been warned.

Incident 1: On the St. John's River, west of Jacksonville, just shy of the inlet, a sailing cat with sails down and under motorized power, was crossing parallel to the channel. It was daylight. He was off my port bow. I was in the marked channel. I had the right of way. My AIS blared a collision warning, surely his must have been as well? He showed no signs of altering course or slowing down. Bewildered, I held my course and speed just to see what he would do. At the last minute, I pulled back to neutral and let him pass. I pulled out my binoculars, only to discover there was nobody at the helm, but I could clearly see a couple, enjoying a bottle of wine, at the table, just chatting away. Ironically, the boat name was "Fearless".

Incident 2: Oceechee River, around Racoon Key. At least 3/4 of a mile navigable waterway widthwise. Plenty of depth for at least 1/2 a mile. What I think was a Mainship 400, with a giant GA Bulldogs banner across the front of the pilot house, doing maybe 3 knots faster than I was, passed me, to my starboard. No attempt at radio contact, no warning. He was 5 feet off my starboard railings. His fenders were out. Had I had my boat hook out, I could have snagged one, that's how close they were. Onboard, on the fly bridge, were 2 very large, shirtless men who appeared to be oblivious there was another boat there. Ironically, when we pulled into the marina a few miles down the road, they were there, tied up a boat in front of us. I didn't say anything, they didn't seem like the kind of folks anything positive could have come from engaging.

Incident 3: Somewhere north of St. Augustine, ICW was fairly narrow. I had maybe 15 feet on either side with enough depth for my boat. Going the opposite direction, traveling about my speed (7 knots), was a small pontoon boat with a family to my port, several small children onboard. Behind them, comes a skiff, full speed, on a plane, who decided it was a good idea to pass around the pontoon boat and cut between us as were closing in on each other. All I could see from my pilot house, was a skiff, at full speed, on a plane, heading straight for my bow. He must have realized, mere feet from a collision, that he wasn't going to make it, and veered to my starboard, at full speed. I couldn't see what happened to him, don't have great visibility aft from the pilot house, but I do remember going into full on emergency mode, "can my bow handle a high speed collision?" "Do I need to hail the coast guard?". I'm 45ft, 22 tons, I'd faired better than he I suppose. After he passed, feet from my bow, I stepped out to the side deck and looked aft. He made it, was down from the plane and the pontoon guys were yelling at him, hands in the air, wtf man????

It's a dangerous world out there folks. Y'all be careful.
 
Fair warning, I'm going to rant a little bit. Feel free to click on over to the next thread and spare yourself. You've been warned.

Incident 1: On the St. John's River, west of Jacksonville, just shy of the inlet, a sailing cat with sails down and under motorized power, was crossing parallel to the channel. It was daylight. He was off my port bow. I was in the marked channel. I had the right of way. My AIS blared a collision warning, surely his must have been as well? He showed no signs of altering course or slowing down. Bewildered, I held my course and speed just to see what he would do. At the last minute, I pulled back to neutral and let him pass. I pulled out my binoculars, only to discover there was nobody at the helm, but I could clearly see a couple, enjoying a bottle of wine, at the table, just chatting away. Ironically, the boat name was "Fearless".

Incident 2: Oceechee River, around Racoon Key. At least 3/4 of a mile navigable waterway widthwise. Plenty of depth for at least 1/2 a mile. What I think was a Mainship 400, with a giant GA Bulldogs banner across the front of the pilot house, doing maybe 3 knots faster than I was, passed me, to my starboard. No attempt at radio contact, no warning. He was 5 feet off my starboard railings. His fenders were out. Had I had my boat hook out, I could have snagged one, that's how close they were. Onboard, on the fly bridge, were 2 very large, shirtless men who appeared to be oblivious there was another boat there. Ironically, when we pulled into the marina a few miles down the road, they were there, tied up a boat in front of us. I didn't say anything, they didn't seem like the kind of folks anything positive could have come from engaging.

Incident 3: Somewhere north of St. Augustine, ICW was fairly narrow. I had maybe 15 feet on either side with enough depth for my boat. Going the opposite direction, traveling about my speed (7 knots), was a small pontoon boat with a family to my port, several small children onboard. Behind them, comes a skiff, full speed, on a plane, who decided it was a good idea to pass around the pontoon boat and cut between us as were closing in on each other. All I could see from my pilot house, was a skiff, at full speed, on a plane, heading straight for my bow. He must have realized, mere feet from a collision, that he wasn't going to make it, and veered to my starboard, at full speed. I couldn't see what happened to him, don't have great visibility aft from the pilot house, but I do remember going into full on emergency mode, "can my bow handle a high speed collision?" "Do I need to hail the coast guard?". I'm 45ft, 22 tons, I'd faired better than he I suppose. After he passed, feet from my bow, I stepped out to the side deck and looked aft. He made it, was down from the plane and the pontoon guys were yelling at him, hands in the air, wtf man????

It's a dangerous world out there folks. Y'all be careful.
And what exactly were you expecting in a recreation with powered vehicles, no licensing, and no meaningful requirement for formal instruction?

Btw, where is the Oceechee river and Racoon key?

Ted
 
Greetings,
Mr. jk. Yep. Typical day. You didn't mention time of week. It gets truly bizarre on weekends on ALL the popular stretches. Add to that mix, copious (I'm guessing from the behavior of the "captains") amounts of alcohol and HOT tropical temperatures and....Walla!

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Some of those, particularly the "pass needlessly close" types exist everywhere unfortunately.
 
Maybe an extension of their highway driving habits.

Even personal space is often defined over a very wide range.
 
Some of those, particularly the "pass needlessly close" types exist everywhere unfortunately.

Maybe an extension of their highway driving habits.

Even personal space is often defined over a very wide range.

We watch a couple of boating video channels from the Netherlands. One guy is an ex sailor and is now on a trawler. We have been shocked at how close he has come to sailboats. Sometimes crossing between two sailboats that are not that far apart in distance nor time. All he had to do is turn a bit to starboard and there would have been no chance of a problem. He nor the sailboats did not seem concerned.

I have seen several videos where the Dutch are charging into locks. It can be a free for all as they all try to get into the lock. One of the last videos I saw, a sailboat went as far forward in the lock as they possibly could, passing several spots they could have tied up, so they could raft up on another boat at the front of the lock. I think they did this so they could get ahead of the other boats. Basically, they cut to the head of the line, so to speak. I don't think they really could get much ahead of the other vessels because I think that section of water is speed limited.

Growing up paddling canoes and being in small boats, keeping out of the way of power boats was just a preservation of life exercise.

One of my earliest memories was going up the St. Johns river to Blue Springs to see the manatees. You could tie up in the springs back then and go swimming. The water sure was cold....

At the end of the day, we were heading back to the boat ramp and a barge was heading to Sanford. There were a couple of other power boats that passed us, and they cut right in front of the barge. One of the people lost a hat that went into the water. I was maybe 3-4 years old, remember thinking that they were idiots and afraid they would try to get the hat. If they had had engine trouble, they would have died.

Decades later, my first time on my dads new to him sailboat, we were anchored in the afternoon in the keys. A sports fisher passed between the bow of our boat and the anchor at cruising speed. I don't know if they had autopilots back then but that is the only excuse they would have had to pass that close to us. We think they were just being a...sses and hoped our rope anchor rode would get in their props.

Since my earliest age on boats, seeing people being stupid and rude, is just part of being out there.

Some people make mistakes. Some people are just a...sses.
 
Yeah, having a 80' on a fast pass really fast within feet at full speed and no warning isn't fun. They stopped a short ways ahead and then got on the radio to ask if we were ok. Didn't wait for an answer just turned and put the pedal down again. Since then my first mate/boat angel has kept me away from Amazon and gun stores. All I want is a paint ball rifle.....
 
Cathartic to read, even though of course I don't wish these scenarios on anyone.

A minor one (compared to the hair-raising moments above in the thread) that annoys me is when you and another boat are heading in opposite directions, and are going to (you hope) pass closely. .... And they do absolutely nothing to indicate that they have seen you. What happened to just showing a bit of your port bow as an indication? Come on.

@Jklotz The one with the couple having wine on the afterdeck :eek: Unbelievable! I could think of a few names even "better" than "Fearless"...
 
I'm used to the folks out there who either don't understand maritime courtesy and rules of the road or simply choose to ignore both but I simply try to be amused by their stupidity and take whatever action I need to take to keep our vessel safe. I guess my biggest gripe is those damn bob423 tracks and the nuts who follow them like the yellow brick road. C'mon people, bob track are where he went without running aground, most of the times in the middle of a skinny channel. Take your nose out of your tablet ,look up and move over for those of us coming the other way.
 
Another day in paradise....

You've probably named your boat already. If not, may I suggest "Sh!t Magnet?"

Peter

PS. you now know the "Florida Uniform." Overweight, over-tanned shirtless old fart, sometimes with thin stranded ponytail, the last vestige of a 1980s mullet. Often seen riding a bike (or trike) due to suspended license for DUI.
 
My story and I’m sticking to it. We were about 3.5 miles south of the NASA Causeway Bridge (SR 405) when a 29' Island Packet sailboat looked like it was going to hit a pile beacon. I'm at the helm.

Larry: Lena! It looks likes this guy is going to hit the pole.

Lena: No, he's fine. He's just giving us room.

Larry: No, really! ( I grab the camera).

His standing rigging hits the pole, the light and solar box fall over on their side and the spreader on the sailboat's starboard side was tweaked low. I hail them on the radio.

Larry: Are you OK?

SB: Yup.

Larry: Your lower spreader is fuc.ed up and you just knocked over the light on that pole.

SB: Uh, the owner, “sorry, we were sleeping”.

Larry: (wrong answer!) You have to report this since you took out an aid to navigation. (continuing to take pictures)

SB: Uh, thanks.

About 5 minutes later they called the USCG on VHF, reported the incident and gave their cell phone number.

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My story and I’m sticking to it. We were about 3.5 miles south of the NASA Causeway Bridge (SR 405) when a 29' Island Packet sailboat looked like it was going to hit a pile beacon. I'm at the helm.

Larry: Lena! It looks likes this guy is going to hit the pole.

Lena: No, he's fine. He's just giving us room.

Larry: No, really! ( I grab the camera).

His standing rigging hits the pole, the light and solar box fall over on their side and the spreader on the sailboat's starboard side was tweaked low. I hail them on the radio.

Larry: Are you OK?

SB: Yup.

Larry: Your lower spreader is fuc.ed up and you just knocked over the light on that pole.

SB: Uh, the owner, “sorry, we were sleeping”.

Larry: (wrong answer!) You have to report this since you took out an aid to navigation. (continuing to take pictures)

SB: Uh, thanks.

About 5 minutes later they called the USCG on VHF, reported the incident and gave their cell phone number.

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SB: Uh, the owner, “sorry, we were sleeping”.


Yea right!
I think the term is "not quickie enough". If it had been a BJ, he might have lost more than his concentration.

Ted
 
This topic becomes different when you have a 6'+ draft in a narrow channel
 
On or near the ICW in decent weather conditions, I have come to assume that each and every approaching recreational boat is being operated by someone who is 1) ignorant, 2) stupid, 3) BUI, or possibly all three of those impairments. Weekends are especially dangerous, and holiday weekends? Forget about it.

When a boater exhibits even the faintest sign of courtesy or professionalism, it's such an astonishing surprise that I'll remember the moment and marvel about it for days afterward. If I were the Tsar, we would have mandatory boater education and licensing.
 
This topic becomes different when you have a 6'+ draft in a narrow channel
I hear that.

Coming up the ICW in a 6' draft sailboat (decades ago), we slammed the bottom more than once when we were in the channel but a meeting powerboat would throw out a ginormous wake of which the "trough" was so deep it only had like 4' of water in it when we encountered it....

Good times.
 
My story and I’m sticking to it. We were about 3.5 miles south of the NASA Causeway Bridge (SR 405) when a 29' Island Packet sailboat looked like it was going to hit a pile beacon. I'm at the helm.

Larry: Lena! It looks likes this guy is going to hit the pole.

Lena: No, he's fine. He's just giving us room.

Larry: No, really! ( I grab the camera).....
Once upon a time I was on a waterway in Ft. Lauderdale, I think it was Memorial Day weekend, and we saw a small power boat with two couples on board heading towards us. Twas a narrow waterway but there was a pile beacon with a light. Their boat and ours was going slow due to the no wake zone. As we watched them, it went from they won't hit us followed by do they see the pile? Are they doing to hit the pile? Wow. They hit the pile beacon.

They were not drunk or drugged. They simply were talking, not paying attention and ran into a big pile with a light. Since they were going slow there was not damage to the boat, people or pile. I THINK they might have been a wee bit embarrassed but I would not swear to it. :)
 
When a boater exhibits even the faintest sign of courtesy or professionalism, it's such an astonishing surprise that I'll remember the moment and marvel about it for days afterward. If I were the Tsar, we would have mandatory boater education and licensing.
Seconded. On our most recent trip, during a few conversations with tugs on the Hudson you could practically hear the relief in their voice as they thought "oh good, at least one of those pleasure craft around me isn't a moron so I only have to dodge the others that haven't talked to me and are probably about to do something stupid"
 
Fair warning, I'm going to rant a little bit. Feel free to click on over to the next thread and spare yourself. You've been warned.

Incident 1: On the St. John's River, west of Jacksonville, just shy of the inlet, a sailing cat with sails down and under motorized power, was crossing parallel to the channel. It was daylight. He was off my port bow. I was in the marked channel. I had the right of way. My AIS blared a collision warning, surely his must have been as well? He showed no signs of altering course or slowing down. Bewildered, I held my course and speed just to see what he would do. At the last minute, I pulled back to neutral and let him pass. I pulled out my binoculars, only to discover there was nobody at the helm, but I could clearly see a couple, enjoying a bottle of wine, at the table, just chatting away. Ironically, the boat name was "Fearless".

Incident 2: Oceechee River, around Racoon Key. At least 3/4 of a mile navigable waterway widthwise. Plenty of depth for at least 1/2 a mile. What I think was a Mainship 400, with a giant GA Bulldogs banner across the front of the pilot house, doing maybe 3 knots faster than I was, passed me, to my starboard. No attempt at radio contact, no warning. He was 5 feet off my starboard railings. His fenders were out. Had I had my boat hook out, I could have snagged one, that's how close they were. Onboard, on the fly bridge, were 2 very large, shirtless men who appeared to be oblivious there was another boat there. Ironically, when we pulled into the marina a few miles down the road, they were there, tied up a boat in front of us. I didn't say anything, they didn't seem like the kind of folks anything positive could have come from engaging.

Incident 3: Somewhere north of St. Augustine, ICW was fairly narrow. I had maybe 15 feet on either side with enough depth for my boat. Going the opposite direction, traveling about my speed (7 knots), was a small pontoon boat with a family to my port, several small children onboard. Behind them, comes a skiff, full speed, on a plane, who decided it was a good idea to pass around the pontoon boat and cut between us as were closing in on each other. All I could see from my pilot house, was a skiff, at full speed, on a plane, heading straight for my bow. He must have realized, mere feet from a collision, that he wasn't going to make it, and veered to my starboard, at full speed. I couldn't see what happened to him, don't have great visibility aft from the pilot house, but I do remember going into full on emergency mode, "can my bow handle a high speed collision?" "Do I need to hail the coast guard?". I'm 45ft, 22 tons, I'd faired better than he I suppose. After he passed, feet from my bow, I stepped out to the side deck and looked aft. He made it, was down from the plane and the pontoon guys were yelling at him, hands in the air, wtf man????

It's a dangerous world out there folks. Y'all be careful.
No where in COLREGs is the term"right of way" used. It infers there is such a thing, and there isn't.
 
Incident 1: On the St. John's River, west of Jacksonville, just shy of the inlet, a sailing cat with sails down and under motorized power, was crossing parallel to the channel. It was daylight. He was off my port bow. I was in the marked channel. I had the right of way. My AIS blared a collision warning, surely his must have been as well? He showed no signs of altering course or slowing down. Bewildered, I held my course and speed just to see what he would do. At the last minute, I pulled back to neutral and let him pass. I pulled out my binoculars, only to discover there was nobody at the helm, but I could clearly see a couple, enjoying a bottle of wine, at the table, just chatting away. Ironically, the boat name was "Fearless".
Perfect time for 5 blasts of the horn. They might have spilt some wine but, if they know anything about sound signals, might have got off their butts and done something.
 
Perfect time for 5 blasts of the horn. They might have spilt some wine but, if they know anything about sound signals, might have got off their butts and done something.
I thought the same but from 10 feet off their stern to make sure they heard it.
 
Thanks for sharing something we all experience on a fairly frequent basis. You can see my former boat and area of operation in my avatar, happened a lot less there but not totally unknown.
 
No icebergs up there like in the North Atlantic, plenty of flow ice in the winter and spring however.
 
There are obviously infinite variations of inconsiderate and stupid to be seen on the water or anywhere else there are motorized vehicles. I do have two that are a bit more novel though.

Runner-up first. From a safe spot anchored at the beach a few hundred meters away, we saw two people on separate stand-up paddle boards lying down at the mouth of the Burlington Canal. Not a great choice of location, especially with a 700-foot lake freighter lining up to enter the harbour moving about 15kn according to our AIS readout. Somene on the bridge must have had sharp eyes as they saw the SUPs and sounded multiple rounds of 5 short blasts. Apparently not enough to get their attention. Fortunately the harbour police were close by and hustled over to get them out of the way with maybe a minute to spare. We heard the whole story over VHF between the bridge, the police, and the lift bridge station. They had been napping! Captain sounded rattled, as well he might be. The canal is under 300ft wide, a half-mile long, somewhat exposed to wind, and he'd been reducing speed due to the obstruction because turning had long ago ceased to be an option.


My personal best was sailing out of Baie Fine up near Killarney on the North Channel (Lake Huron). It was a fine clear sunny day, moderate breeze. We were on a reciprocal course with another sailboat, but with plenty of time and room. We changed course and passed maybe 100m away. As usual I went to give a wave as we passed, but then realized no one was at the helm. Then I saw motion on the cabin top.

I gave my head a shake, took a second, looked at my crew and asked "is it just me or were they...?". Crew looked at me at the exact same moment with the same question.

Yep, it was a couple "screwzing" the North Channel, seeing the sights atop the cabin. For those who know Killarney Provincial Park, it was clear they'd configured themselves so they could both have a view of Casson Peak to leeward while they passed the time. From our position we had not expected, and were less than enthused, to have that view substituted for one of Killarney's other notable landmarks, The Crack.
 
Wow, seeing two people lying down on paddleboards from the bridge of a freighter. They'd be the size of gnats!
 
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