Coupe Convertible Sedan ?

[Benthic2]

What do these lables mean ? On Yachtworld they seem to get tossed around rather indiscriminately.

 

[SeaDogAK]

I don’t think they mean much. I used to own a Tollycraft 37 which is sometimes called a convertible, but I never really knew what that meant. I think it’s supposed to be a sportfisher that “converts” into a cruiser — meaning it has a cockpit for fishing and sleeping accommodations for cruising. I think a sedan is something similar. I have no idea what a coupe would be.

 

[Comodave]

I don’t think they mean much. I used to own a Tollycraft 37 which is sometimes called a convertible, but I never really knew what that meant. I think it’s supposed to be a sportfisher that “converts” into a cruiser — meaning it has a cockpit for fishing and sleeping accommodations for cruising. I think a sedan is something similar. I have no idea what a coupe would be.

That is my understanding also. I haven’t heard coupe referred to in a boat either.

 

[Benthic2]

I've been looking at Silvertons, specifically their 33 which comes in a sedan and a coupe.


To further muddy the waters, there is this quote from a 2008 Boating Magazine article: "Because Silverton is one of the first manufacturers to go back to a true sedan with the 33 Sport Coupe..."

These two boats are identical ( except for the flybridge of course )

 

[CharlieO.]

Now I haven't actually looked at the two ads but the Sports coupe has no flybridge and the convertible does but does the convertible have an inside helm too? There probably is not much difference at all, just marketing.

 

[RT Firefly]

Greetings,
Don't know if this helps or simply further muddies the waters...


coupe (n.)
1834, "low, short, four-wheeled, close carriage without the front seat, carrying two inside, with an outside seat for the driver," also "front compartment of a stage coach," from French coupe (18c.), short for carrosse coupe "cut-off carriage," a shorter version of the Berlin, minus the back seat, from couper "to cut (in half);" see coup. Applied to closed two-door automobiles by 1897. Coup de ville is from 1931, originally a car with an open driver's position and an enclosed passenger compartment.

 

[ranger58sb]

What do these lables mean ? On Yachtworld they seem to get tossed around rather indiscriminately.

I've been looking at Silvertons, specifically their 33 which comes in a sedan and a coupe.

To further muddy the waters, there is this quote from a 2008 Boating Magazine article: "Because Silverton is one of the first manufacturers to go back to a true sedan with the 33 Sport Coupe..."

These two boats are identical ( except for the flybridge of course )

Some of these are like the word "trawler."

Silverton used the word "convertible" for their flybridge line of half-fishboat/half-family cruiser. Compromise between a heavy duty "sportfisher" (which may not even have an enclosed house) and a family-friendly flybridge cruiser or some sort.

Their line of non-fish flybridge boats were called "Sport Bridge" -- same as what Sea Ray and others call a "Sedan Bridge." Flybridge helm, enclosed house, not really suitable for serious fishing.

They also had a line of "Motor Yachts" -- flybridge boats with an aft cabin master. At least one model was a "Cockpit Motor Yacht" -- which had an aft cabin and a cockpit clued on behind it. Much of this terminology was similar to what other builders used (Carver, for instance).

Silverton eventually introduced the "coupe" word to mean a version of their convertible with the flybridge whacked off. (Your example.) In the earlier years, they called those single-story version "Express" models, but those actually seemed more like their own design, not a chopped convertible.

Back to that "trawler" thing. Or even "Swift... "

Now I haven't actually looked at the two ads but the Sports coupe has no flybridge and the convertible does but does the convertible have an inside helm too? There probably is not much difference at all, just marketing.

They made a few flybridge boats with an optional lower helm, but they're rare and somewhat focused on smaller market segments. One was for PNW (wherever that is) I think.

-Chris

 

[RT Firefly]

Greetings,
As noted above, several descriptive terms used for boat models are simply made up to add a certain caché.
I'm sure a lot of us remember Ricardo Montalban touting the 1973 Chrysler Cordoba with "fine Corinthian leather" upholstery. Just a marketing gimmick.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_leather

 

[mvweebles]

So for marketing cachet, is coupe pronounced "COOP" or "coo-PAY?

 

[RT Firefly]

Greetings,
Mr. mv. SALOON!

 

[psneeld]

In my world .... Chris' post very good too.

sport fish - largish cockpit, usually set up for fishing with built in fish boxes, cleaning/bait prep area, etc.

convertible - sportfish look alike, smaller cockpit, usually lacks the built in fishing layout.

sedan - without flybridge and usually without fishing layout.

flybridge sedan - headshaker

 

[rslifkin]

In my world .... Chris' post very good too.

sport fish - largish cockpit, usually set up for fishing with built in fish boxes, cleaning/bait prep area, etc.

convertible - sportfish look alike, smaller cockpit, usually lacks the built in fishing layout.

sedan - without flybridge and usually without fishing layout.

flybridge sedan - headshaker

I've always heard a sedan used for something like a convertible, but less fishing oriented (typically shorter cockpit and more cabin space). Like a Bayliner 3888, for example.

Then there's an "express" layout (with or without hardtop) like a Mainship Pilot where the cockpit continues forward to the helm, etc. and then a cabin (kinda like a comfy tournament sportfish with the flybridge chopped off).

Coupe seems to refer to the modern single interior helm designs with slanty windshields, a raised aft deck hangout area (no cockpit), etc. Like the picture below:

 

[Benthic2]

Thank you everyone for your responses.