Check your propane system.....

[lwarden]

This happened one dock over from my boat in San Diego at Harbor Island today. Apparently a propane related explosion on a Hunter sailboat. Owner was nearby along with his dog and both escaped with only some singeing apparently. He got lucky, it must have been a big blast to lift the deck like that.
I wasn't there, pics were sent by a friend.

 

[socalrider]

Holy cow! Harbor Island West? What dock? So glad to hear there weren't serious injuries.

Would be great to get a post-mortem on that once the full picture has emerged.

 

[catalinajack]

Oh boy, here come the propane paranoics.

 

[David Griffiths]

not paranoid, but looking to reduce potential serious problems.
I have lpg at the moment, but looking to change to a Wallas Diesel stove, and microwave.
I reckon if the owner had been onboard, he wouldn't be very well right now!

 

[Porgy]

I would have expected it to be burned to a crisp but, no obvious signs of fire. I suppose it could have blown itself out after the initial ignition?

Other than that we know nothing about how the system was installed, used or maintained. I shut off the tank solenoid unless I’m actually cooking. The leak sensors are always on. I check those routinely.

 

[rslifkin]

I'm betting that wasn't a "whole boat full of propane" situation. It looks like the explosion may have only involved one part of the cabin (based on the deck damage). And based on the lack of charring and fire damage, it must have been one quick bang and done (where nothing got hot enough to continue burning).



I'd definitely be curious to find out what the failure mode was (and how it went un-noticed until an explosion occurred).

 

[Nicolas]

Hello,
I just saw the accident of your sailboat, I'm sorry for you.

I am interested in buying your mast if it is still usable.

I sent you a private message

Thank you Nick

 

[Nicolas]

Ah, I understand that's not your sailboat, sorry lwarden.

Can you help me get in touch with the captain of the sailboat?

Thank you

 

[Comodave]

It does highlight the need for preventative maintenance on a propane system.

 

[Nicolas]

It does highlight the need for preventative maintenance on a propane system.

…This happened one dock over from my boat… ?

 

[Comodave]

…This happened one dock over from my boat… ?

Glad you weren’t docked in the next slip. I am surprised that it didn’t catch fire.

 

[lwarden]

Nicolas, I don't think I want to asks the victim if his boat is ready to be part out, seems a bit too soon for that. I will let you know if I hear this is the direction he will be headed, but I expect there is a lot of insurance work to do before they get to that point.

I'll be down this weekend and will update this thread if I hear more about the cause or any other info.

This was down at Cabrillo Isle marina.

 

[Simi 60]

I have these as of yesterday as an extra level of safety

You can also pump the gauge up and down several times, turn off bottle and watch gauge for a few minutes to pressure test the lines

Grillman Caravan BBQ Gas Safety Shut off Valve

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[HTurner]

I have these as of yesterday as an extra level of safety

You can also pump the gauge up and down several times, turn off bottle and watch gauge for a few minutes to pressure test the lines

https://www.facebook.com/1683266375...e-please-check-on-valve-for/2580469655503800/

 

[Simi 60]

https://www.facebook.com/1683266375...e-please-check-on-valve-for/2580469655503800/

Well, it's not 2018 now
But thanks anyway

Add: interesting that it took two years for a recall on that batch
Couldn't find anything about actual problem in real life
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/re...safety-shut-off-valve-with-hose-and-regulator

 

[DDW]

That'll buff out.

 

[Comodave]

That'll buff out.

Big buffer…

 

[psneeld]

Pretty much most things on a boat can ruin your day.

If you dont pay attention and learn, sure things can go wrong.

But millions of new boaters each year start with no experience and or POS boats and manage to survive.

Amazing how caring a little can go a long way to being safe.

 

[Larry M]

It looked the deck tried to lift off. Pictures of the starboard side and port side. John Miller, photo credits.

 

[Comodave]

It certainly could have been so much worse for the surrounding oats.

 

[Simi 60]

It certainly could have been so much worse for the surrounding oats.

They could have turned to porridge?

 

[Comodave]

They could have turned to porridge?

Fat fingers…

 

[BandB]

Oh boy, here come the propane paranoics.

Wifey B: Yep, here. Present and accounted for. Hand up in air.

We have all the gas paranoics here and I'm not, but we don't have propane on our boats. Too many bad stories from marinas and houseboats.

 

[Andy G]

We have gas on board and very much like the set up. Though I do agree you really do need to keep an eye on it.

We have just taken down our head liners and removed all the existing copper lines, as they had weld joints in them.We replaced them with rubber lines. Out went the manual off/on gas cock also located in the headliner. This was replaced by a 12 volt solenoid unit located in the gas locker with an activating rocker switch located above the stove in the galley.

Not a cheap job but as Wifey B said, with gas there are too many potential areas where things can go wrong with pretty dire results.

 

[slowgoesit]

Yep, gas on a boat is dangerous! I can point to lots of factual stories of propane explosions . . . then again I can point to a LOT MORE boats that have had fires, or been total loses due to electrical problems . . . . but I'm not saying that electrical systems should be avoided on boats . . . .

In my mind, a more true statement would be "Poorly designed, or maintained propane systems, as well as electrical systems are a hazard on boats in general."

The takeaway here for me is to inspect, or have your boat inspected to insure that systems are properly designed, built/installed, and maintained. Correct deficiencies as necessary, and don't be a captive to your fears.

 

[Comodave]

But that is the problem, too many do not check the system and/or do not have proper systems in the first place. Just look at the “ creative “ ways people have talked about here.

 

[catalinajack]

But that is the problem, too many do not check the system and/or do not have proper systems in the first place. Just look at the “ creative “ ways people have talked about here.

Or they think their system is a "proper" system and cruise merrily along blissfully ignorant.

 

[Porgy]

But that is the problem, too many do not check the system and/or do not have proper systems in the first place. Just look at the “ creative “ ways people have talked about here.

Except that anecdotal stories of other boats blowing up doesn’t effect the safety of propane use on my boat (unless I’m next to one of those other “creative” boats) and shouldn’t factor into my decision.

The solution to the problem would be for the CG to conduct mandatory inspections of propane systems on boats. And, not wait until they are underway but, get all the slip queens and derelict liveaboards too. Require them all to retrofit to ABYC standards or immediately and permanently disable the dangerous system.

The alternative solution to the problem is to outright ban propane. Of course we’d have to first ban electricity on all boats because we’ve all seen the pie charts showing fires from electricity causing more destruction than any other source. ABYC could help get the ball rolling by, rather than accommodating lithium batteries, just outright ban them.

Oil lamps too, while we’re at it.

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