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Last winter we had great service with My Island Wi Fi .

Was a bit pri$y but worked great. We are in the Ortona FL area and the local providers system dies in the rain .

Or on a damp morning.

Does anyone have a good deal on a cellular Wi Fi l they found that works?

We have no cellphone so would use a hot spot from Wallmart or where ever.

We do not stream movies , just cruise the internet for an hour or two a day .

Would be delighted with a pat as you go plan.



TIA
 
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I link my iPad mini to my cellphone, Verizon is the carrier. No streaming movies, just email and net surfing. $50 per month or so.
 
I've been using a Straight Talk (Walmart) hot spot with a prepaid plan. For $40 you get 4 gigs for 60 days. Not the best service but it works for email and occasional surfing.
 
Last winter we had great service with My Island Wi Fi .

Was a bit pri$y but worked great. We are in the Ortona FL area and the local providers system dies in the rain .

Or on a damp morning.

Does anyone have a good deal on a cellular Wi Fi l they found that works?

We have no cellphone so would use a hot spot from Wallmart or where ever.

We do not stream movies , just cruise the internet for an hour or two a day .

Would be delighted with a pat as you go plan.



TIA

I'm currently using a Verizon JetPack MIFI 8800L on a prepaid plan. The device is $199 to purchase (you own it) and the service is $65/month for 15 GB, and they offered an additional 15 GB per month for 'free' as long as I keep the service current, so 30GB for $65/month, pay as you go.

I've researched the hotspots in depth and the MiFi 8800L is the least expensive one that is fast enough to do video streaming reliably in HD. The cheaper ones have half or 1/4 the speed of the MiFi.

That said, the customer service from Verizon for prepaid plans is TERRIBLE. You are basically on your own. If you just want to look here on TF, just about any hotspot or even your phone acting as a hotspot will get that done.
 
We use T-Mobile 55+ plan with an extra tablet as a wifi hotspot. It runs our HD tv streaming Netflix (included in the plan), Amazon Prime, Pluto, and all of our laptops. We used 179 GB last month and the TV is still fine. Can't tell the difference between before GB allowance and after GB throttling. We pay for extra GB on the phones that it turns out we don't really need. That gets fixed next month. 2 phones and tablet is about $140/month. We use it in NJ, FL and on the boat cruising. CBS, NBC, ABC, and Fox are local HD Over the air channels for sports.
Kicked Comcast cable to the curb. They want $29/month just to put our TV and internet on vacation hold while we are away. Yes, $29/month for no service!!! Bye-Bye!
 
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We’ve been on BixWireless using an unlocked Netgear M1 Nighthawk I bought one Amazon.

Pretty much unlimited, un-throttled AT&T for $85/mo. I think they sell Verizon as well.

Works for streaming Netflix, YouTubeTV, Prime and I work from the boat so Zoom or Teams all day. We routinely use 300-400G per month.

It’s not perfect and I fully expect it to go away at some point in the future (which happened with another reseller before I switched to Bix) bit it’s been rock solid as a land based alternative since Nov-19.
 
We’ve been on BixWireless using an unlocked Netgear M1 Nighthawk I bought one Amazon.

Pretty much unlimited, un-throttled AT&T for $85/mo. I think they sell Verizon as well.

Works for streaming Netflix, YouTubeTV, Prime and I work from the boat so Zoom or Teams all day. We routinely use 300-400G per month.

It’s not perfect and I fully expect it to go away at some point in the future (which happened with another reseller before I switched to Bix) bit it’s been rock solid as a land based alternative since Nov-19.

Hi Steve,

I'm getting prepared to purchase a Nighthawk M1.

Do you use an external antenna? Which one?

Have you used in the San Juans and Gulf Islands?

I've been reading SeaBits blog and others here and am undecided on the external antenna.
 
We used an ATT hotspot for a couple of years. The deal with the ATT hotspot is unlimited data but they MAY throttle you down during peak traffic times in congested areas. Since we really weren't in congested areas, they never slowed us down. My wife could watch TV while I was on a video conference call and no lags. We would not hesitate to get the same plan again.
 
I just put together a system for my boat this spring. Hardware wise, I used a Pepwave Max Transit Cat 18 (plus a Mikrotik Groove for pulling in outside wifi). I went with the $50 / 100GB T-Mobile plan (have to call to get it, it's not on the website). Once you hit the 100GB on that plan you get slowed down to a very low speed, but not cut off or charged extra. I think AT&T just came out with a similar plan as well.

So far, it's been working perfectly. There's a second SIM slot on the router, so a second plan from another carrier can be added for more coverage or more data.

At this point, I'm just using the included antennas on the Pepwave router for cellular and around my home area, I've only seen it dip below 5 bars once. The unit supports band 71, so it should have good off-shore coverage on T-mobile, as that's their longest range band. If I find signal issues at some point in our travels, I'll look at adding a better external antenna setup.
 
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An update for us. The T-Mobile tablet/hot spot worked great for a year. Going past monthly limit kept right on streaming. Then in March when the limit was reached it was tough to get email.
Now TM has what’s called “Home Internet “ based on 5G wireless and truly unlimited. We have been using it for two weeks and it has been a rock star. With a tv streaming free Netflix in HD and two laptops going it doesn’t even hiccup. It’s $60/month. Ookla speed test 140/50 Mbs.
 
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I looked at the T-Mobile home internet option, but it forces you to use their hardware and isn't supposed to be moved around to different locations, so I passed on that option.
 
Hi Steve,

I'm getting prepared to purchase a Nighthawk M1.

Do you use an external antenna? Which one?

Have you used in the San Juans and Gulf Islands?

I've been reading SeaBits blog and others here and am undecided on the external antenna.

I have a Nighthawk that I no longer need that I’ll sell for $150. PM me if interested.
 
We have a T-Mobile MiFi system through the Myislandwifi people, but are switching to a Verizon SIM ASAP. TM can only deliver 250kb to us in Jacksonville which is ridiculous in 2021! Since it’s portable I’ve tried it in various neighborhoods and service with T-Mobile sucks all over town. Our Verizon phones get 13mb when the T-MOBILE hotspot gets 200kb……..
 
Got the new T-Mobile Inseego 5G hotspot; only $50 per month for 100GB. Works great with no external antenna or anything.
Not sure why Woodland hills had trouble with it in JAX but we had plenty of speed to stream Netflix all the way down to Key West and as far north as Virginia, so far......
 
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An update for us. The T-Mobile tablet/hot spot worked great for a year. Going past monthly limit kept right on streaming. Then in March when the limit was reached it was tough to get email.
Now TM has what’s called “Home Internet “ based on 5G wireless and truly unlimited. We have been using it for two weeks and it has been a rock star. With a tv streaming free Netflix in HD and two laptops going it doesn’t even hiccup. It’s $60/month. Ookla speed test 140/50 Mbs.

Is it unlocked?

How old is it? Why are you selling it?
 
Is it unlocked?

How old is it? Why are you selling it?
I bought it from from an outfit in the midwest, wirelessbuys.com. Unlimited WIFI or something like that in 2019. About 6 months into use the service stopped out of nowhere. When I called they said they no longer serviced my area. WTF? They actually gave me a refund for the partial month. Since they used TM as a backbone, I went to TM and asked them. Turns out that company was selling some sort of Friends and Family access for one account. There was over 10,000 people tied to that one account and owed TM lots of money.

Switched over to TM tablet as above in Post #5.
Unlocked? No clue other than it has a T-Mobile sim card in it.
I don't need it anymore. Its been sitting in a ziplock bag since March of 2020.
 
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I also have the t-mobile 100G option running over the Inseego device. While I feel the device is "ok", it definitely has some lacking options.
1. single port on device
- charging or data transfer via one port can be an issue if you want to link to standard router for better coverage
2. no option for external antenna
- can be an issue when traveling to more remote areas (San Juans for me)
3. the GUI is a bit lacking and slow to respond
- more of a personal thing for me.. :)

I am looking at the NEW Nighthawk, the 5G version that has the external antenna options. As well as an ethernet port and USB-C port (data/charging)

***correction... 5200 is the unlocked version***

https://www.netgear.com/home/mobile-wifi/hotspots/mr5200/
 
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Hi Steve,



I'm getting prepared to purchase a Nighthawk M1.



Do you use an external antenna? Which one?



Have you used in the San Juans and Gulf Islands?



I've been reading SeaBits blog and others here and am undecided on the external antenna.



You wanna buy my old one? I upgraded to a 5G version and am selling my M1 for $100. Retail was $300 and eBay has them used for between $125-$150.

I can also connect you with the AT&T guy we all use around here for service.
 
An update for us. The T-Mobile tablet/hot spot worked great for a year. Going past monthly limit kept right on streaming. Then in March when the limit was reached it was tough to get email.
Now TM has what’s called “Home Internet “ based on 5G wireless and truly unlimited. We have been using it for two weeks and it has been a rock star. With a tv streaming free Netflix in HD and two laptops going it doesn’t even hiccup. It’s $60/month. Ookla speed test 140/50 Mbs.



Very impressive. Do they have anything in their terms of service about mobile use? I’ve heard (second hand) about people with this plan getting shut down when they start moving their rv or boat.
 
Very impressive. Do they have anything in their terms of service about mobile use? I’ve heard (second hand) about people with this plan getting shut down when they start moving their rv or boat.

Sure they could shut me down. When I asked for a solution to our need for a mobile hotspot, this is what the store manager offered. I guess we will have to load it in the truck and go on a field trip.

From the T-Mobile site
$60/month with AutoPay

One fixed price for high-speed home internet—equipment included— with the massive capacity of T-Mobile’s expanding network.

During congestion, Home Internet customers may notice speeds lower than other customers due to data prioritization. Not available in all areas. Plus taxes & fees for accounts currently paying for a T-Mobile wireless line with additional taxes & fees: Monthly Regulatory Programs (RPF) & Telco Recovery Fee (TRF) totaling $1.16 per data only line ($0.15 for RPF & $1.01 for TRF) apply; taxes/fees approx. 3-12% of bill. Qualifying account and credit approval required. For use only with T-Mobile High-Speed Internet Gateway for in-home use at location provided at activation. If canceling service, return gateway or pay up to $370. Video streaming resolution depends on available speeds. For best performance, leave video streaming applications at their default resolution setting. Not compatible with some live TV streaming services. AutoPay Pricing for lines 1-8 on account. Without AutoPay, $5 more. May not be reflected on 1st bill. Coverage not available in some areas. Network Management: Service may be slowed, suspended, terminated, or restricted for misuse, abnormal use, interference with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users, or significant roaming. See T-Mobile.com/OpenInternet for details. See Terms and Conditions (including arbitration provision) at www.T-Mobile.com for additional information.
 
I just put together a system for my boat this spring. Hardware wise, I used a Pepwave Max Transit Cat 18 (plus a Mikrotik Groove for pulling in outside wifi). I went with the $50 / 100GB T-Mobile plan (have to call to get it, it's not on the website).

Why the Mikrotik? Are you using the Transit for the on-boat WiFi? How are you handling the failover/switchover from cell through the Peplink to WiFi through the Groove?

I'm heading in a similar direction, but am entertaining use of the WiFi on the Max Transit to handle the on-shore connections, and use an existing Unifi access point network on the boat to handle on-board WiFi.

Are you using their Speedfusion options?
 
Why the Mikrotik? Are you using the Transit for the on-boat WiFi? How are you handling the failover/switchover from cell through the Peplink to WiFi through the Groove?

I'm heading in a similar direction, but am entertaining use of the WiFi on the Max Transit to handle the on-shore connections, and use an existing Unifi access point network on the boat to handle on-board WiFi.

Are you using their Speedfusion options?


I haven't tried any of the speedfusion stuff yet (haven't felt the need). The Transit is handling the on-boat wifi. As far as failover, the Groove is plugged into the WAN port of the Transit (set as priority 1 on the Transit), then cellular is priority 2. Failover works nicely. Takes a couple seconds for the Transit to notice the loss of internet from the Groove, then fails over to cellular. Fail-back is almost seamless. I settled on health check every 5 seconds for the WAN port, timeout after 3 seconds, failover after 1 failure (5 successes needed to fail back).

Your proposed setup is the better way to do it. Keeps all of the config in 1 interface instead of 2, plus the Transit has 2x2 wifi, the Groove is 1x1 (and doesn't auto switch between 2.4 and 5ghz while the Transit can for wifi WAN).

I may eventually add a separate access point and move to using the wifi WAN feature on the Transit, but I avoided it initially. The Groove (with antenna) and a nice mount for it cost me $150 which is significantly less than a good external antenna setup for the Transit and then a separate access point for the on-boat wifi. So the Groove is just a product of me being cheap for the initial setup.
 
I haven't tried any of the speedfusion stuff yet (haven't felt the need). The Transit is handling the on-boat wifi. As far as failover, the Groove is plugged into the WAN port of the Transit (set as priority 1 on the Transit), then cellular is priority 2. Failover works nicely. Takes a couple seconds for the Transit to notice the loss of internet from the Groove, then fails over to cellular. Fail-back is almost seamless. I settled on health check every 5 seconds for the WAN port, timeout after 3 seconds, failover after 1 failure (5 successes needed to fail back).

Your proposed setup is the better way to do it. Keeps all of the config in 1 interface instead of 2, plus the Transit has 2x2 wifi, the Groove is 1x1 (and doesn't auto switch between 2.4 and 5ghz while the Transit can for wifi WAN).

I may eventually add a separate access point and move to using the wifi WAN feature on the Transit, but I avoided it initially. The Groove (with antenna) and a nice mount for it cost me $150 which is significantly less than a good external antenna setup for the Transit and then a separate access point for the on-boat wifi. So the Groove is just a product of me being cheap for the initial setup.

My concern about interfaces is that while I know how to do all the technical stuff, I really want to avoid having to fire up overly technical interfaces (text terminal screens, etc) any time we anchor somewhere that might have available wifi.

The Groove is probably a workable solution for a friend that has a new-to-them boat that came with a MOFI4500 unit. The WiFi radio in the MOFI is slow, 2.4 only and not all that great. Adding a Groove might give him the on-shore WiFi bridging he's after. Being able to wire it with just PoE is a plus, as that's just one twisted pair line up the mast.

I have other Ubiquiti stuff on-board for the on-boat WiFi. So if I had to add a WiFi bridge like this I'd probably get the Bullet, if just to use the same configuration apps. But for stand-alone, the Mikrotik might be better, as the Unifi stuff tends to have features that expect you to have all Unifi stuff (like their switches/router).

I'm cautiously optimistic the Peplink will be able to handle both cell and shore wifi (with suitable antennas added, of course). But if not I can always add a Groove/Bullet.

I went with separate WiFi access points because where the router is best placed is not the best place for providing WiFi. Using separate access points lets you just run a twisted pair wire with Power-over-Ethernet and place them wherever gives best WiFi coverage on the boat.

It does add the complexity of an added network switch and the PoE power adapting. But that's an OK trade-off. There are such things are PoE switches that'll do both, but finding one that does the right PoE voltage narrows your selections a lot. It's gives you more options if you get a regular Ethernet switch and then whatever separate PoE adapters are needed. It's a few more devices and some wiring, but the cost is minimal and you avoid getting stuck later if you want to change or user different PoE devices (like cameras).
 
The wrinkle in my plan is 5G. Peplink does make a Max Transit 5G CAT20 but it's internal performance isn't quite up to handling full 5G transmit speeds.

There's rumor of another 5G product coming from them, but delivery date is not yet known. These are not cheap gizmos so I'd prefer to avoid pulling the trigger on something this week only to have the next gen drop a month later. But then I don't want to hold out and have it not become available until the Fall.
 
Thread title Cellular wifi hot spot. Confused.

I can understand efforts to draw in and enhance weak signals with boosters.
However OP said no cell phone, why not? No one needs to know the phone number. These days my cell phone is more than capable of being a wifi hotspot. In fact tethered seems to work better than wireless to stream movies.
I use smartphone to bypass cell data plan by connecting to available wifi in marina but also have the auto switch ON so it uses data if wifi is slow.

My question
Except to enhance a weak signal, what advantage do these devices have separate to an iPhone or smartphone?
 
The current Max Transit 5G had just come out when I bought mine. No carrier had officially approved it yet and it was $160 more than the CAT 18 4G version, so I just bought the CAT 18. So far, performance has been plenty adequate on T-Mobile.

As far as the Transit doing wifi WAN, it's said to work well. I only skipped it due to the cost of external antennas and another access point. For me, the location of the transit is adequate to get good coverage on the whole boat (and my boat is smaller than yours anyway). So even if I move to a separate AP at some point, it'll probably go right next to the Transit.

The Groove configuration can all be done from the Web UI. It's not the most intuitive if you want to have it remember networks other than the last one you told it to connect to, however (getting it to do that is really easy).
 
Thread title Cellular wifi hot spot. Confused.

I can understand efforts to draw in and enhance weak signals with boosters.
However OP said no cell phone, why not? No one needs to know the phone number. These days my cell phone is more than capable of being a wifi hotspot. In fact tethered seems to work better than wireless to stream movies.
I use smartphone to bypass cell data plan by connecting to available wifi in marina but also have the auto switch ON so it uses data if wifi is slow.

My question
Except to enhance a weak signal, what advantage do these devices have separate to an iPhone or smartphone?

No doubt a cell phone as a hot spot can be adequate for many people, depending on your needs regarding internet.
The differences are a few. One is that a cell phone, though it can serve as a hot spot, it is not designed to be a full time hotspot. continuous hotspot duty can wear down the phone battery, cause some over heating, plus can be interrupted by phone calls, texts, and social media notifications. These are all non-issues with a dedicated hotspot.
Secondly, the 5G cellular world is evolving as we speak. If your phone is a year or more old, it will not include all the current 5G bands that say, the Inseego T-mobile 5G hotspot includes that came out in January.
Also the larger device and the multiple internal bands might explain why in some places going north on the AICW, our phones were cutting out, but the Inseego still had a signal.
Unfortunately even the current devices are not yet taking full advantage of mm Wave so I'd bet this will be a changing and evolving 5G landscape for at least another year or more.
 

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