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We were traveling down the west coast when we saw things that looked like antennas zip past us going north up the coast. We didn’t see the whole sub but several of us saw what looked like antennas.
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This is all to common a sight in the Puget Sound. They usually are accompanied with a whole fleet of smaller boats with big guns.
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No idea, but they were moving.
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I've spent a lot of time on Dabob Bay in northern Hood Canal where the Navy has a torpedo test range. It's used for R&D shots as well as qualifying the subs for fitness for sea.
One time when north of the range and needing to transit to the south range control gave us permission to proceed but we were required to stay as close to shore as possible and make best speed. Up pops a periscope too close for comfort and tracks us for a while before disappearing again.
Another time we were hailed by range control and advised to look a certain direction at a certain time. A trident sub did an emergency surface, ran for a brief distance on the surface at high speed then did a fast dive. Very spectacular, just like a scene from a movie.
There were numerous times where range control hailed us and said with no preamble "Go all quiet NOW!" It doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out what happened. The torpedos are wire guided until they aren't, then they are acoustic homing..... No, we weren't on the range but we were close by. With range control's knowledge and permission.
All of this was prior to 9/11. It's all different now.
One time when north of the range and needing to transit to the south range control gave us permission to proceed but we were required to stay as close to shore as possible and make best speed. Up pops a periscope too close for comfort and tracks us for a while before disappearing again.
Another time we were hailed by range control and advised to look a certain direction at a certain time. A trident sub did an emergency surface, ran for a brief distance on the surface at high speed then did a fast dive. Very spectacular, just like a scene from a movie.
There were numerous times where range control hailed us and said with no preamble "Go all quiet NOW!" It doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out what happened. The torpedos are wire guided until they aren't, then they are acoustic homing..... No, we weren't on the range but we were close by. With range control's knowledge and permission.
All of this was prior to 9/11. It's all different now.
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That's sounds like a blast (well, hopefully not literally!)
BTW, there are no Trident subs. Those are the missiles some carry - like this Ohio class.
Pursuant to a treaty, area WG (Whisky Golf) in Georgia Strait is "active" when being used as a Torpedo testing range, by the US Navy.
Your stories suggest that we ought to be terrified by that state of affairs, that we should be lobbying our own government to stop the use of our peaceful waters by the Increasingly hawkish US gov.
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Had one following us coming out of port Townsend monday. We were ahead and the running at 10 knots but they were closing so we changed course and stopped then watched the group go by.
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Sort of funny because by the time you see the sub, they have seen you for a long long time and maybe even used you as a training target aka 'snap shot'
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A perfect target for an RPG?
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Funny, I drew the exact opposite inference, thinking instead that we have a great military making me proud to be an american.
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I remember being on one of the first generation FBM in the 60s. It was a deterrent and it worked out perfectly. Between our FBMs and fast attack submarines, we scared our enemies beyond belief. It took them years to catch up and meanwhile we were making progress towards the next generations of nuclear subs.
What surprised me is this ship was unescorted.
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My first reaction to your post was to wonder what you are talking about. Nothing I said in post #10 was meant in anyway to be frightening or threatening. And further did not discuss US Navy activities in Canadian waters.
I do understand your unease with nuclear subs firing torpedo test shots in your home waters. That said Canada and the US have a long standing cooperative approach to national defense. Our nations have often fought in the same wars and conflicts.
However you have the right to oppose your governemnt's cooperation with your southern neighbor. Respectuflly I say that with your strong feelings that is what you should do.
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It wasn't. There were at least four fast escorts and a CG tractor.
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Now I can breath better. SMILE
Canada, not to worry, we will protect you even if you dont want us in your country until the virus situation is under control.
If you are attacked, all bets are off on border control. We are coming!!!
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When I lived in Hawaii, Oahu, we would have sailboat races in and out of the yacht club in Pearl Harbor. Many times we would tack up to withiin 20-30 feet of a sub then tack away. Never got hassled by the escorts and was always AMAZED at sailing to close to a nuclear sub. They got by us pretty quickly.
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Nowadays, you would be forcefully stopped or shot.
https://www.professionalmariner.com...iners-warned-not-to-approach-US-Navy-vessels/
The NVPZ exists 500 yards around large naval vessels at all times in the navigable waters of the United States, regardless of whether or not the Coast Guard is present. The Coast Guard encourages commercial mariners and recreational boaters to avoid entering these protection zones.
https://www.professionalmariner.com...iners-warned-not-to-approach-US-Navy-vessels/
The NVPZ exists 500 yards around large naval vessels at all times in the navigable waters of the United States, regardless of whether or not the Coast Guard is present. The Coast Guard encourages commercial mariners and recreational boaters to avoid entering these protection zones.
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I can remember when a looper took photos of Navy ship in the dry dock at the junction of the AICW and the St. john’s river. A patrol boat gave them a choice of deleting the photos or arrest. This was 6 months after 9/11 so security was tight. We visited the USS Arizona memorial December of 2019 and the crew of the Navy boat taking people out to the memorial cautioned not to photograph the nearby ships docked at the base, the US Navy will never forget what happened at Pearl Harbor.
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Friend of mine took his boat up the St John's river..... He was able travel only so far before he was contacted via VHF and told, in no uncertain terms, Turn around.
I too have fond memories of sailing my Catalina 30 in and around Pearl Harbor in the 80's.
A friend was a Naval officer there and belonged to the PHYC. They hosted a group of
us vagabond sailors for an overnight stay complete with a barbeque luau!
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The actual exclusion zone is 100 yards. Between 101 and 500 yards is steerage speed only.
However yesterday they were pretty clear "stay clear 500 yards and do not cross our bow." I don't think that would have been the time to discuss semantics!
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How far up river??????
Once past Mayport and the repair facility at Sisters Creek, why would the Navy care about water activities? Unless there was a temporary security zone?????
NAS Jax could care less.
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WG has always been contentious.
We pulled into Esquimalt in 1987 on our submarine and had some of the original Raging Grannies row out and sing us a song about living under the nuclear umbrella. I was topside watch. Called up the Duty Officer. We applauded politely and invited them for tea. They threw us flowers. The Canadian picket boat threatened to arrest them. They rowed away as we waved and said our goodbyes to each other. MPs and Canadian base officers on the pier were livid. We watched it on the evening Victoria news.
That's how protests used to work.
When we came back a few years later, a Greenpeacer in a black zodiac and a wetsuit tried to run the oil boom and douse us with pigs blood. He literally got run over by the Canadian picket boat. No flowers or friendly waves that time. Nor did it make the news.
WG is still there and can be fairly active 30 some years later.
We pulled into Esquimalt in 1987 on our submarine and had some of the original Raging Grannies row out and sing us a song about living under the nuclear umbrella. I was topside watch. Called up the Duty Officer. We applauded politely and invited them for tea. They threw us flowers. The Canadian picket boat threatened to arrest them. They rowed away as we waved and said our goodbyes to each other. MPs and Canadian base officers on the pier were livid. We watched it on the evening Victoria news.
That's how protests used to work.
When we came back a few years later, a Greenpeacer in a black zodiac and a wetsuit tried to run the oil boom and douse us with pigs blood. He literally got run over by the Canadian picket boat. No flowers or friendly waves that time. Nor did it make the news.
WG is still there and can be fairly active 30 some years later.
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