New Garmin 24inch chartplotter/MFD, $12,000 bucks
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Holy crap! $11,999.99 for a MFD? 
I would have thought prices would be coming down, not going up.
I would have thought prices would be coming down, not going up.
mbevins
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Holy crap! $11,999.99 for a MFD?
Actually considering it's a touch screen AND marine I'm thinking it's not that bad for a 24" screen. Bigger question is who's got a pilot house to support it.
Diesel Duck
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FWIW - The 17" version, the GPSMAP® 8617 MFD, has exactly the same features along with the same screen resolution as the 24" model and it's $4,500 less ($7,500).
Britannia
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Ok, I'll bite. I have plenty of room for it in my pilot house. However, I don't think that's what I want. (So please just give me the $12K and I'll spend it how I wish
)Firstly, I don't really need the screen to be marine grade inside the pilot house. Secondly, I don't really want a touch screen. Have any of you tried to use a touch screen in big seas? I had the experience on my way down from Alaska last year. I had a laptop with a mouse running CE and my first mate had a Microsoft surface also running CE. I found the touchscreen hard to use as I was being jostled around in big waves. The mouse was much easier to manage. I could stabilize my mousing hand by leaning on it a bit and still use the mouse. With the touchscreen I found my hand wavering around all over the place.
A touchscreen tablet is fine if you are holding it. However, trying to point and drag with your fingers on a surface that is attached to the boat in heavy weather is not easy.
Anyone else feel the same way?
Richard
skipperdude
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I had one not that big but I didn't like it either for the same reason plus ever try to get fish scales and blood off of touchscreen.
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stubones99
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If you mount it over one of your pilothouse windows and then add a camera looking out the same view as the window, you can display the camera video in a window, as well as radar and other stats. Who needs windows anyway?
On the other hand, what about putting all your eggs in one basket? I did a job for the USAF where all the competition had large displays. My system had several smaller (low cost) displays. When grilled about my system competing with the 'big screen guys' I pointed out redundancy, and TCO. What happens when their one screen goes out? If I lose one screen, no big deal. All the sudden, the tables changed. That big sexy display was now the weak link of their systems... Guess who they picked?
So, it's not the $11,999 price tag, it is 'what do you do when it quits?' Far better to have two smaller ones networked and $4500 in your cruising kitty.
On the other hand, what about putting all your eggs in one basket? I did a job for the USAF where all the competition had large displays. My system had several smaller (low cost) displays. When grilled about my system competing with the 'big screen guys' I pointed out redundancy, and TCO. What happens when their one screen goes out? If I lose one screen, no big deal. All the sudden, the tables changed. That big sexy display was now the weak link of their systems... Guess who they picked?
So, it's not the $11,999 price tag, it is 'what do you do when it quits?' Far better to have two smaller ones networked and $4500 in your cruising kitty.
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What a buy! How about one for the lower station and one for the fly-bridge?:lol:
No Mast
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That was what I wanted to do till I got pricing. We're keeping our old electronics. They work fine. I'll live with no integrated AIS
If these people had better pricing they would have had a complete upgrade in our boat. Now they sell me nothing.
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Laptop via HDMI cable to a Samsung $325 32" HD TV works for us. Then if I so choose all the charts, AIS, radar, depth sounder etc are viewable when cruising by guests or off watch crew playing cards or resting on the couch.
These daylight viewable big screens are very pricey but they do sell.
These daylight viewable big screens are very pricey but they do sell.
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Ok, I'll bite. I have plenty of room for it in my pilot house. However, I don't think that's what I want. (So please just give me the $12K and I'll spend it how I wish
Firstly, I don't really need the screen to be marine grade inside the pilot house. Secondly, I don't really want a touch screen. Have any of you tried to use a touch screen in big seas? I had the experience on my way down from Alaska last year. I had a laptop with a mouse running CE and my first mate had a Microsoft surface also running CE. I found the touchscreen hard to use as I was being jostled around in big waves. The mouse was much easier to manage. I could stabilize my mousing hand by leaning on it a bit and still use the mouse. With the touchscreen I found my hand wavering around all over the place.
A touchscreen tablet is fine if you are holding it. However, trying to point and drag with your fingers on a surface that is attached to the boat in heavy weather is not easy.
Anyone else feel the same way?
Richard
I am just a weekender but I have found the touchscreens work very well. I bought my touchscreen because of price....with a leery eye towards the touchscreen aspect of it. Turns out I like it...A LOT!!!
Sounds like a nice setup. Can you send a photo?
No Mast
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I second Britannia that touch screens only work well in fair conditions. I would not want them as a primary feedback mechanism on my boat. Sorry to bring up the plane thing again, but I learned there, that in turbulence touchscreen are frustrating. Same holds true for heavy seas.
stubones99
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With touch screens in turbulent, it is sometimes better to use your fingers to steady your hand on the edge / bezel and touch with your thumb rather than trying to touch it with an unsteady finger.
So, smaller touch screens are better that way, unless you have long thumbs.
So, smaller touch screens are better that way, unless you have long thumbs.
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The questions about touch screens revolves around what percentage of your boating life are in rough seas. For many, not so much. It's not like they fail to function but yes they may be more difficult at times.
Something changes in my skin when I get nervous, annoyed, scared or (dare I say?) excited and the touch screens/pads just go out. They just ignore all input. It's infuriating.
Mice always just do what they are told. At least the analog, wired, roller-balled ones do.
You can clean them. They don't require batteries. They don't care if you have red in your mouse pad. They don't care what you are rolling them over. Worse comes to worse you can turn them upside down and use them as a roller ball.
Mice always just do what they are told. At least the analog, wired, roller-balled ones do.
You can clean them. They don't require batteries. They don't care if you have red in your mouse pad. They don't care what you are rolling them over. Worse comes to worse you can turn them upside down and use them as a roller ball.
No Mast
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Also about how much you like fingerprints all over your chart plotter as well as ergonomics.
Britannia
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It may not be that frequent, but the problem is that they get more difficult to use at a time that I'm already more stressed. That's not a good combination.
I can see putting a touchscreen, marinized MFD up on the flybridge. But in the pilot house I plan to go with computers and screens.
Richard
As the seas get rough, I tend to sit further back from the helm, on the bench and steer using the AP remote. The nearest controls past the wheel, are the throttle levers. Next, if I lean forward, is the AP fixed control, after that, the laptop mouse pad, but to reach that I need to get off the bench and stand, so I rarely touch it. If I had a touch screen, I would have to put it at least as far from the bench as the laptop, so in rough conditions, I wouldn't be touching it very often.
Oh, I forgot to mention the cellphone, where I display AIS information, I don't need to get off the bench to access that.
Oh, I forgot to mention the cellphone, where I display AIS information, I don't need to get off the bench to access that.
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Does it play current blockbuster movies????? Wow that is a few boat dollars.....
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Britannia - shared your feelings about the touch-screen. I probably would not have opted for the TS version of the 5212 I have - a "button" version was available at the time. However, since mine was a gift, I decided to "put up" with it.
Due to really marginal visibility from the lower helm, I always drive from the FB. Hence, the Garmin is mounted there. The only difficulty I've encountered is during heavy weather where accurate finger pointing becomes challenging. You learn to support your hand on the screen surround proximate to the function you're looking for and then tap with a finger (usually a thumb). Actually works quite well once you get the hang of it. Rain and spray doesn't bother the touchscreen function either.
Wish their was a reasonable way to port the video to wifi or somesuch for use on a larger conventional screen down below.
Due to really marginal visibility from the lower helm, I always drive from the FB. Hence, the Garmin is mounted there. The only difficulty I've encountered is during heavy weather where accurate finger pointing becomes challenging. You learn to support your hand on the screen surround proximate to the function you're looking for and then tap with a finger (usually a thumb). Actually works quite well once you get the hang of it. Rain and spray doesn't bother the touchscreen function either.
Wish their was a reasonable way to port the video to wifi or somesuch for use on a larger conventional screen down below.
Like @sunchaser, my main nav screen is a laptop to in my case a 21" monitor. CE on the monitor, BlueIris on the laptop.
Plus Raymarine AP and MFD (w/CHIRP sounder), next to Garmin MFD (and radar). Will probably replace the Garmin with the new Raymarine HD radar in the next year or two. Legacy radar and sounders above. Not really thought out, it just kind of evolved this way. Guests have a decent view, but maybe I should also move to a 32" monitor.
Keith
Plus Raymarine AP and MFD (w/CHIRP sounder), next to Garmin MFD (and radar). Will probably replace the Garmin with the new Raymarine HD radar in the next year or two. Legacy radar and sounders above. Not really thought out, it just kind of evolved this way. Guests have a decent view, but maybe I should also move to a 32" monitor.
Keith
