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psneeld
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Of course it's hard to be serious when the serious discussions turn to garbage by people who think they know or don't know art or hull forms...
I wasn't there...you are right..but after a lifetime of BBQing and Boy Scout bonfires...I know there's a huge difference in something that is a fireball and something that will actually catch something else on fire...numerous military safety training and accident investigation schools only added to the common sense aspect of it.
While the neighboring boat owner might have been a total idiot...I hate to see regulations passed so that the vast majority of us reasonable types can no longer BBQ on our boats...and rover reaction does the rest of us no good.
RT Firefly
Enigma
Greetings,
Mr. supertramp. Regarding your current BBQ which you say doesn't do well in the wind. Have you tried making a wind shield of some sort (sheet metal wind break, aluminum foil etc.) or turning the BBQ in relation to the wind direction? I have no experience with an electric BBQ but that WOULD solve the wind problem.
Mr. supertramp. Regarding your current BBQ which you say doesn't do well in the wind. Have you tried making a wind shield of some sort (sheet metal wind break, aluminum foil etc.) or turning the BBQ in relation to the wind direction? I have no experience with an electric BBQ but that WOULD solve the wind problem.
psneeld
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Can always count on you to steer a straight course..
My complaints of all small, thin metal barbeques are that in any wind they just can't maintain enough heat and trying to block the wind can require as much effort in raising the big top at the circus...
drf6
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We tested three (propane) and settled on the the Solaire. The story is here (scroll about 3/4 the way down the page to Grill Issues). http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/d/r/drf6/Liberty_Project_1/V_Seats.htm
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Of course it's hard to be serious when the serious discussions turn to garbage by people who think they know or don't know art or hull forms...
I wasn't there...you are right..but after a lifetime of BBQing and Boy Scout bonfires...I know there's a huge difference in something that is a fireball and something that will actually catch something else on fire...numerous military safety training and accident investigation schools only added to the common sense aspect of it.
While the neighboring boat owner might have been a total idiot...I hate to see regulations passed so that the vast majority of us reasonable types can no longer BBQ on our boats...and rover reaction does the rest of us no good.
You're right as usual. Understand that I use this forum for knowledge and there are about ten members that I read every post that they put up because they're extremely knowledgable and what they say make sense to me. You are one of them (don't get too big of a head).
I realize that other members may be here for other reasons and enjoy arguments and/or controversy, but not me. I need to remember that.
No pissing contest from me.
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RT Firefly
Enigma
Greetings,
Mr. drf6. Thanks for that report...Hmmm....interesting.
Mr. drf6. Thanks for that report...Hmmm....interesting.
Are there any? We store our grill and tank separately. I added the quick disconnect after the regulator, before the grill. I had a surveyor question it once but could not demonstrate that it was not following any marine guidelines or was unsafe. I'm sure I am not following some UL or land based gas code but the quick disconnect has never leaked and it's easier than getting the wrenches out every time.
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supertramp
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Yes we have a protection against wind but in this model are below large air vents and little heat is sometimes blown out the flame.
I'm about 4 months a year in Los Roques, where the wind is already strong.
The Problem is minimum not maximum.
Norbert
psneeld
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I don't think there are any on the grill side unless you extrapolate the ABYC issues from interior appliances that they have burner cutoff thermocouples and then yes the quick connect would not meet that standard (which is crap if it is exterior and a leak would ventilate over the side.)
Luckily I have bfloyd4445 working on the answer for us!!!!
RT Firefly
Enigma
Greetings,
Mr. Larry M. An elegant solution. The only "problem" I might have is the female fitting appears to be sticking out a bit much (snagging on pant leg hazard) but as far as leakage? A non issue. I worked with quick connects for 35 years and can't recall ANY leakage issues.
Mr. supertramp. I understand your frustration with wind blowing out the burner. Our ancient Magma BBQ/grill would blow out frequently in any wind over 20 knts. The way the unit was built meant taking off the food, removing the grill section, removing the small cap over the burner, re-lighting and reassembling. Keep in mind everything was hot and greasy at this point. After one-too-many such episodes I drilled a 5/8" hole through the inner and outer SS layers at a level I could insert a BBQ lighter to re-light easily. Also allowed me to monitor the flame. A LOT less frustration was the result. My cooking technique hasn't improved at all but at least I have consistent flame to burn things.
Mr. Larry M. An elegant solution. The only "problem" I might have is the female fitting appears to be sticking out a bit much (snagging on pant leg hazard) but as far as leakage? A non issue. I worked with quick connects for 35 years and can't recall ANY leakage issues.
Mr. supertramp. I understand your frustration with wind blowing out the burner. Our ancient Magma BBQ/grill would blow out frequently in any wind over 20 knts. The way the unit was built meant taking off the food, removing the grill section, removing the small cap over the burner, re-lighting and reassembling. Keep in mind everything was hot and greasy at this point. After one-too-many such episodes I drilled a 5/8" hole through the inner and outer SS layers at a level I could insert a BBQ lighter to re-light easily. Also allowed me to monitor the flame. A LOT less frustration was the result. My cooking technique hasn't improved at all but at least I have consistent flame to burn things.
PSNEELD,
I've taken my share of safety courses....Navy shipboard firefighting and the USC Aircraft Accident Investigation course among them. Making light and belittling doesn't change the fact that this was a dangerous scenario. Charcoal grills and lighter fluid in the hands of "idiots" on boats are an accident waiting to happen. I believe most of the marina prohibitions are actually aimed at that particular combination.
Regards
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beachbum29
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Second that
psneeld
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I never belittled, made light of yes...From experience, you have bigger things to worry about in most marinas than grills....
and of course it's only my opinion but I'm not the only one that's pissed that some marinas are "over"ruled.....
Don’t worry much bout Marina Rules, re what’s allowed during “dock stays” that is...
We go to our Tolly to cruise, swing on front hook, or beach it nose first with stabilizing front and rear anchors set – well away from any dock. No dock BBQen for us!
Occasionally a dock party will be underway upon our arrival to boat. Admiral and I (sometimes a couple family members included) love to wave "Goodbye" as we cruise off! Why stay at dock with those you seldom meet when you can go out and party with long time boating friends while BBQen out-on da water???
Never could understand remaining at dock to just play aboard any boat, unless maybe weather is simply too severe to venture out... then you usually need to be inside the boat staying dry and warm... with comfortable, safe BBQen out of the question!
IMHO: Docks are made to store and protect boats awaiting their use out on the water. Or maybe to stay hooked into for a day while visiting a new town. And, covered berths are best for everything concerned.
Funniest thing to me is when persons rent a boat for period of time and stay hooked up at some dock’s slip for most of it. What in the heck is the sense of that... go figure???!!!
Boaten is for boaten
– Not for docken!
psneeld
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When you live aboard and still work...and then cruise straight for 4 months...anchoring is fun but so is staying in marinas when you need to get to work, buy stuff and lot's of power to fix things...
When you live aboard and still work...and then cruise straight for 4 months...anchoring is fun but so is staying in marinas when you need to get to work, buy stuff and lot's of power to fix things...
Understood!!
For us and our boat pals - Boaten is Sheer R&R...
Away From EVERYTHING!
Yeah, we're spoiled... worked damn hard to get here!
Several years ago a fellow with a 30-something foot Bayliner was having trouble getting one of his gas engines started. So he poured some raw gas down the carburetor throat while his girlfriend cranked the engine. The engine backfired and shot a gout of flame up out of the engine room. The flame got something on the boat burning and by the time the guy got hold of a fire extinguisher the fire was too big for it. He and the girflriend abandoned the boat by diving off the bow.
End result: the Bayliner burned to the waterline and sunk. The cruiser in the slip with it (upwind) had severe scorching and hull and cabin warping from the heat. The boat in the next slip over (downwind), a newly and totally restored, refinished CHB, was destroyed above the waterline although it did not sink.
Many of the dock's pilings were burned. And most of the boats on the dock (the Bayliner was the second boat in on the upwind end of the dock) suffered extreme smoke and soot damage.
Had the initial fire resulted from a big flare-up from a barbecue it is certainly possible the results could have been exactly the same.
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psneeld
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A good friend of mine burned up his Bayliner exactly the same way.....the difference is that the gasoline all over the place caught fire...not the neighbors boat or the deck or the cabin, etc...etc
I said from the very beginning that it takes a lot for a "flare up" to catch anything on fire unless it was covered in gas (flammable liquid)...
I'm more scared of guys working on their boats and filling them with gas than from the neighbors BBQing....as both of our stories point out....
With 2 examples of boats burned to the waterline from carburetors and I know of none by BBQ.....why then don't marinas ban carburetors?????
I said from the very beginning that it takes a lot for a "flare up" to catch anything on fire unless it was covered in gas (flammable liquid)...
I'm more scared of guys working on their boats and filling them with gas than from the neighbors BBQing....as both of our stories point out....
With 2 examples of boats burned to the waterline from carburetors and I know of none by BBQ.....why then don't marinas ban carburetors?????
Marin
That reminds me of a screw ball (heavy drinking business person) I vaguely knew who one eve threw raw gasoline into his (he thought was fully extinguished) fireplace - F'd himself royally and torched the house. That's about as smart as your story of the guy pouring gas down the throat of an open carb, inside a boat, having no spark arrester in place, and while engine is being turned over... without even a large extinguisher readily at hand - geeeezzz, dumb is as dumb does!
So, yes, due to over intoxications by any means, ignitable fluids, glowing charcoal, general mistakes and the like... as well as sheer stupidity around heat/fuel sources... I can see where marina owners are skeptical to allow any BBQ usage aboard boats that are at dock. All that is needed is one big mistake from stupidity or even an unlikely, innocient occurrence to start a real big fire-calamity. Another reason we keep full ins coverage on our Tolly!
With 2 examples of boats burned to the waterline from carburetors and I know of none by BBQ.....why then don't marinas ban carburetors?????
Cause carbs make it so many boats can pull into dock and pay marinas big fees! BBQ's don't! Just that simple - LOL
psneeld
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Cause carbs make it so many boats can pull into dock and pay marinas big fees! BBQ's don't! Just that simple - LOL
I'm on a low carb diet so good BBQ keeps me full of necessary (evil...
) protien overdoses....But on a more serious note...I have found most marine BBQs are WAYYYYY overpriced and unless a charcoal one...the propane ones just don't get hot enough unless they are double walled....the Cheap $29 ones available every spring have the same problem..but that why I saved an older cast aluminum (very thick walls) to rebuild next summer.
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RT Firefly
Enigma
Greetings,
Mr. psneeld. You raise very interesting points regarding both the cast aluminum issue and REBUILD. Our home BBQ is of the cast Al variety. One of my MAIN beefs with this and previous units we've owned is the short lifespan of the OEM and replacement SS burners. Seems like every year or two I would have to spring $30-$50 to replace a rusted out burner. The last time I went to buy one, I noticed a cast iron replacement was available. Two years and counting so far. Similar to this:
CSB Small Single Cast Iron Gas Grill "H" Burner; - Cast Iron Burners by Stonewell Trading Company
Seems to work VERY well for a home sized unit but I don't know if a smaller replacement would be available for a marine sized (smaller) BBQ. Just something to keep in mind.
Mr. psneeld. You raise very interesting points regarding both the cast aluminum issue and REBUILD. Our home BBQ is of the cast Al variety. One of my MAIN beefs with this and previous units we've owned is the short lifespan of the OEM and replacement SS burners. Seems like every year or two I would have to spring $30-$50 to replace a rusted out burner. The last time I went to buy one, I noticed a cast iron replacement was available. Two years and counting so far. Similar to this:
CSB Small Single Cast Iron Gas Grill "H" Burner; - Cast Iron Burners by Stonewell Trading Company
Seems to work VERY well for a home sized unit but I don't know if a smaller replacement would be available for a marine sized (smaller) BBQ. Just something to keep in mind.
I'm on a low carb diet so good BBQ keeps me full of necessary (evil...
But on a more serious note...I have found most marine BBQs are WAYYYYY overpriced and unless a charcoal one...the propane ones just don't get hot enough unless they are double walled....the Cheap $29 ones available every spring have the same problem..but that why I saved an older cast aluminum (very thick walls) to rebuild next summer.
Our top of the line Magma propane BBQ cooks hot and thoroughly. Heck, most of the time I need to turn it down so items don't burn, even with the lid open. When lid is closed I often turn to low for some good slow cooken! Wind seems to have no effect as far as extinguishing flame. Don't remember any time needing to restart in mid cook... cept when propane bottle ran out. I admit the stiffest wind I've cooked in has probably been no more than 15 to 20 mph. I don't bother BBQen in a real stiff wind anyway! That's what our Tolly's up-galley is for!
The only correction I might make to that statement is that I believe the boat in this case had its engines under hatches in the open cockpit floor, not actually contained inside the main part of the boat. But by the time I got to the scene the Bayliner had already sunk so it was difficult to make out what the boat's configuration had actually been. Makes no difference to the outcome but if my recollection is correcgt the flare up was in the open cockpit, not inside the boat. Same sort of place a BBQ mght be located.
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bfloyd4445
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As I thought..totally without the ability to point towards ANY MARINE regulation on grills other than a marina, town or county regulation that was the result of some yahoo that shouldn't have been allowed to play with matches in the first place.
Do you ever get tired of not having a real answer?
And i suppose your posts are any different?...chuckle....I use a little portable cast weber not intended for use on a boat as mentioned earlier. Definately not marine spec.
Don’t mean to hijack this thread off the important topic of BBQ/Grills... but, to segue for just a moment... here’s something I feel is a TF record that should be heralded and allotted to its TRUE WINNER!
Marin your approx 8,941 posts in approx 5.3 yrs on TF = 1,687 per yr / 141 per mo / 32 per wk / that’s 5 per da average
I thought I was really pushing my posts at approx 1,451 posts in approx 2 yrs on TF = 726 per yr / 60 per mo / 14 per wk / that’s 2 per da average – My hat's off to you - I don’t hold a candle to your # of posts!
I rounded to highest whole #'s; and, I hope my calcs are correct (at least close to correct – lol).
Soooo, I believe congratulations are in order to you Marin, as you can claim title being TF’s most prolific “Poster” Boy!
Unless there is someone who out-posts you – which is quite doubtful!! If so, let he or she step forward and claim title. Then we could get into number of words posted – that’s a title I’m confident you will win!
I recommend that a Grand "Posting-Prize" be awarded April 1st, 2075!
Marin your approx 8,941 posts in approx 5.3 yrs on TF = 1,687 per yr / 141 per mo / 32 per wk / that’s 5 per da average
I thought I was really pushing my posts at approx 1,451 posts in approx 2 yrs on TF = 726 per yr / 60 per mo / 14 per wk / that’s 2 per da average – My hat's off to you - I don’t hold a candle to your # of posts!
I rounded to highest whole #'s; and, I hope my calcs are correct (at least close to correct – lol).
Soooo, I believe congratulations are in order to you Marin, as you can claim title being TF’s most prolific “Poster” Boy!
Unless there is someone who out-posts you – which is quite doubtful!! If so, let he or she step forward and claim title. Then we could get into number of words posted – that’s a title I’m confident you will win!
I recommend that a Grand "Posting-Prize" be awarded April 1st, 2075!
Our top of the line Magma propane BBQ cooks hot and thoroughly. Heck, most of the time I need to turn it down so items don't burn, even with the lid open. When lid is closed I often turn to low for some good slow cooken! Wind seems to have no effect as far as extinguishing flame. Don't remember any time needing to restart in mid cook... cept when propane bottle ran out. I admit the stiffest wind I've cooked in has probably been no more than 15 to 20 mph. I don't bother BBQen in a real stiff wind anyway! That's what our Tolly's up-galley is for!
I have a Magma Infrared and it also cooks extremely hot. Cook everything on low except steaks. For them, medium-low is plenty hot.
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