Helmsman
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- Oct 3, 2020
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- Chattanooga
- Vessel Name
- Mishy Jean
- Vessel Make
- Helmsman Trawler 38E
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Thanks for posting. That was a good read!
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Looks like several 38E new builds are in progress. Congratulations! I wanted to say a few words about our 38E, hull 40, a new build which arrived in late October 2019.
Our Helmsman 38E (hull 40), christened MV Kiskadee, arrived in Seattle in late October 2019. Since then, we have enjoyed cruising the San Juans, Puget Sound and Hood Canal. Canada was closed last year, so we’re planning now for our extended Alaska trip in 2022.
I must ask this and I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it, but is Scott telling new customers about Trawler Forum? Just seem like a lot showing up here recently. Or are you somehow finding out from others who are already here? So the question is how are all the new Helmsman buyers finding their way here?
Whatever is happening, I wish other reputable builders had the same. It's great to see you lined up in builds and sharing with each other. The Helmsman community is special.
A bit of a bold approach too because if there were problems, they'd quickly be shared, but the company also knows they would quickly address them.
Nordhavn has this type of brand enthusiasm and Hatteras always had it and still does on the Sam's site.
No, Scott never mentioned trawler forum to me. I would attribute some of the interest here to John’s (N0461) posts a couple of years ago. I started looking at the Helmsmen after I read some of his thread.
My only interactions with Scott post contract signing has been in regards to a few questions that pop up and the occasional updates from Helmsman on the build.
If you knew Scott, you would find that he is a humble, focused business person who is very concerned about the quality of the boat. I don’t want to speak for him or the Helmsman team but don’t think that soliciting posts on any forum would be their style at all.
I think it is no more than the interest showed by any new set of boat owners with builds under way. Part of it may also be due to the level of customization that Helmsman offers. That provides some fodder for discussion, also. And, they are quality, well thought out boats.
Finally, folks who are current owners are also participating which I certainly appreciate. We can learn from other owners who have “been there, done that”.
I wasn't thinking he was soliciting posts, but informing others that they could read the posts of owners on this site wouldn't be inappropriate at all. If I was him, I'd be proud of the Helmsman following here. I just always wonder how a first time poster finds their way here. Is it through google and John or other owners or how? I couldn't even tell you now how we found the forum, but imagine it was via google and looking for boating forums.
My personal situation was as follows.
I sold a 40 foot Carver in late 2019. Wasn’t planning on going with another larger boat, but the “itch” got to me. Started looking in early 2020, casually. Went down to look at a Beneteau ST 35. The salon size and some quality issues nixed that with one visit.
Started searching trawlers and came across this forum. Compared prices and “apparent quality” of boats. Started reading a lot of posts on Helmsman. Read a few good things about Scott and his team. Received a couple of PM’s from folks in regards to the trust they had in the company. So I settled on Helmsman, made a trip out to look at one, and decided to take the plunge.
It checked the attributes of quality, simplicity, and value for me. And I trust the company. Which is probably the most important thing for me. I don’t need anymore drama out if the boating industry at my age!
Speaking for myself, not once has Scott encouraged the use of this site as any sales related resource.
He is aware of what is posted, as well he should be. You will notice he has on rare occasion shown up to correct something or otherwise chip in comments where appropriate. He did that with John's extended thread years ago, and did so here recently. Appropriately, in my view.
How did I find this site? No mystery, just a google search looking for good boating sites.
How did I find Helmsman? No big mystery. I was hunting for the "right" boat. I found it. I was looking for small enough but big enough. I was looking for something sturdy and seaworthy, and the hull came before the amenities. I was looking for build quality. I was looking for a builder I thought trustworthy, honest, and reliable.
In looking for "small enough but big enough" I started smaller and worked up. I started out musing about a more New England style of boat, sedan, no flybridge. I wasn't seeing anything that just grabbed me. Then my wife decided she really wanted a flybridge, which had not been a particular need for me. Basic hunting through boats led me to the Camano which had some instant appeal. Discovering it was still built as the H31 was an exciting find. I spent time pondering it. I reached out with a quick email question and was astonished at the speed and perfect response from the head guy, Scott. That was my introduction. Scott answered a lot of key questions for me. In the end I concluded it was not enough boat for me, and as a retirement boat the side deck access to the foredeck seemed to be a risk where it would not be for younger people. So I began quizzing Scott on the H38, and the more I dug into it the more I liked it. The pilothouse over a sedan style. The flybridge was perfect for us. And so forth on detail after detail. Build quality was evident, and thoughtfulness on so many details.
The boat struck me as "refined" in the sense that years of fine-tuning it had led to constant improvement. It struck me as a boat built by a boater, for boaters. Built to be used, and built to be maintained well. Not a dock queen sort of design of the sort shown in the glamour ads featuring wine and bikini models.
I am not the kind of guy who will push my way onto boats just for giggles. When I was already "sold" in my own mind, Scott arranged for me to see one on the hard (due to the season). That was actually an advantage for me, because for me its hull first, and I could best see the hull. Loved what I saw. Loved what I saw in build quality. Its what I had been searching for, and found.
Along the way, I will say John's thread on his build was quite helpful. Quite. It fleshed out some things and confirmed what I thought I knew.
Scott is an amazing resource. I have tried along the way not to pester him, but inevitably I probably did. All questions were responded to instantly and completely, with an eye to really trying to understand what "I" wanted and what the real question was. At each turn the answers have been geared toward what customizations etc. will get ME where I want to be.
If I have just one piece of advice for anyone beginning the same journey with any interest in a Helmsman, it would be to just reach out to Scott and Helmsman and begin a conversation. Do not hesitate.
So did John help make the sale? I'd say yes. Thanks John! Did other posts by Helmsman owners help? Yes as well. Along with every article and YouTube clip I could find, especially those produced by Helmsman, and seeing the boat.
But, it was the boat itself and Scott as builder that really did it.
So now we wait and plan. Fantasize about cruises to come. Plan the lists of outfitting and equipping to be done.
Still miles to go before we sleep. But a great journey so far.
Lastly, why the recent surge of sales?
Look around at options and see what you see. Compare. If what you want is speed you can go the Nordic or Am Tug route, and nothing wrong with that. If you want rugged and close to displacement speed, show me another boat that tops it, pound for pound and dollar for dollar. And if the standard Helmsman isn't exactly for you, customize it. There is nothing out there that I know of that comes close to the boat, or to the value, or to the experience with the builder.
My 2 cents. Or 2 dollars given the length.
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That is our boat in the blog post, Commissioning and installation of electronics was completed on Friday and planning for delivery this coming Wednesday - if the weather cooperates.
That is our boat in the blog post, Commissioning and installation of electronics was completed on Friday and planning for delivery this coming Wednesday - if the weather cooperates.
That is our boat in the blog post, Commissioning and installation of electronics was completed on Friday and planning for delivery this coming Wednesday - if the weather cooperates.
That is our boat in the blog post, Commissioning and installation of electronics was completed on Friday and planning for delivery this coming Wednesday - if the weather cooperates.
We’re excited for you. Will “Water Music” be findable on AIS? We’d love to follow the journey home. If she comes up the Swinomish Channel, we’ll be out to greet her.
We got word on Friday that our Hull No. 50 was under construction. Today we saw photos of the gel coat in the mold.
I must ask this and I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it, but is Scott telling new customers about Trawler Forum? Just seem like a lot showing up here recently. Or are you somehow finding out from others who are already here? So the question is how are all the new Helmsman buyers finding their way here?
Whatever is happening, I wish other reputable builders had the same. It's great to see you lined up in builds and sharing with each other. The Helmsman community is special.
A bit of a bold approach too because if there were problems, they'd quickly be shared, but the company also knows they would quickly address them.
Nordhavn has this type of brand enthusiasm and Hatteras always had it and still does on the Sam's site.
I must ask this and I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it, but is Scott telling new customers about Trawler Forum? Just seem like a lot showing up here recently. Or are you somehow finding out from others who are already here? So the question is how are all the new Helmsman buyers finding their way here?
Whatever is happening, I wish other reputable builders had the same. It's great to see you lined up in builds and sharing with each other. The Helmsman community is special.
A bit of a bold approach too because if there were problems, they'd quickly be shared, but the company also knows they would quickly address them.
Nordhavn has this type of brand enthusiasm and Hatteras always had it and still does on the Sam's site.
BandB,
Thinking more about your question….I think this site has its own general attraction to boaters who migrate to the trawler world. I am a member of the AGLCA and the MTOA. I was a member of both well before I started looking seriously at the trawler style of boating. They are both good places to learn about their specific interests but also about problem solving and types of boats.
When I began searching for trawlers, this site popped up with several links to discussions regarding trawlers. The way the mods have it set up, with links to types of questions asked, along with separate builder tabs, is a real plus IMO, so it has its own strengths that recommend it, and is a great place to informally look at boater impressions of boats, systems, etc.
I personally like learning about all things mechanical, with a particular interest in electronics. It has many experienced boaters who have “been there, done that” offering their advice and help. You and your wife are two of them! So, this forum is a natural landing place for those with a great interest in trawlers, and systems.
Wifey B: Hubby's driving so I am lead poster at the moment. We're actually in a road vehicle.
So happy for you and your new Helmswoman on the way and the enthusiasm of all posting in this thread. Having been through builds, I love to follow others doing it. I also love when a builder is professional and does a good job and earns kudos from their customers. I'm glad too you're all finding your way here to share with the rest of us. Hubby is diligent about trying to warn against unethical and poor builders, not those who had one problem, but those who have a history of issues or those making claims they can't possibly achieve. However, the key point is that there are trustworthy builders and no one must go or should go to the others. You have choices, and Helmswoman is a great choice (and if Scott is wise he'll trademark that name too).
I sometimes hear people say buy used for many reasons and one is to save money and it makes sense there. But they also say you'll have just as many or more problems with a new boat. Just not true if you choose wisely. We've built new and not had issues. Helmsowman is proof that you can do so. You've got a boat that gets delivered in good shape and that any issues are addressed quickly and professionally. Suddenly building a new boat looks like an excellent option.
I must ask this and I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it, but is Scott telling new customers about Trawler Forum? Just seem like a lot showing up here recently. Or are you somehow finding out from others who are already here? So the question is how are all the new Helmsman buyers finding their way here?
Commissioning of "Water Music" was completed on Friday Oct. 22 and hopefully will take delivery on Thursday 28; weather dependent (some nasty weather in the PNW right now). Scott sent us some photos after completion of commissioning to get us excited.
Your boat is beautiful. That has been quite a journey. Did you find someone in Seattle to do the hull graphics?[
http://margauxmarinegraphics.com/
Margaux does a great job! She did a fantastic job on our last boat and will be doing our new one as well!