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Old 09-11-2020, 11:06 AM   #81
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Just so it's clear:

Vaccines are approved by the FDA.

Vaccine manufacturing sites (domestic and foreign) would also be inspected AND licensed by the FDA.

Both the FDA and the CDC are science driven organizations and have always held high trust ratings with the general public. It is a shame that the current political environment has changed this.

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Yes the good, old USA also leads the world in man made climate change deniers and in creationism
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China's vaccine, Ad5-nCoV, was approved for military use on June 25. Rumors, since China has not released results yet, indicate nearly 100% have or will be innoculated. A question that has arisen is that since China claims to have the virus under control, how will they know if the military is indeed protected unless they perform Challenge Tests.

This same vaccine is currently undergoing human testing in Canada.

Why does China need a Vaccine when they have not recorded any cases of Covid19 since April (or June)?
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If you should only be vaccinated in a hospital because you have a history of adverse allergic reactions, maybe the flu isn't so bad. The very fact that the CDC thinks its OK to get a vaccine when you have a history of adverse reactions is dangerous advise. Have a shot, in a hospital, with a Doctor standing by, to maybe avoid the flu?

The right answer is egg cultured vaccines are contraindicated for patients that have had adverse reactions. Vaccination at risk is not in the Patients best interest.

Anyone who is high risk for Covid-19, should probably get the normal flu vaccine.

A better option to not vaccinating, is to try and get one of the vaccines that is NOT egg-based:

- The Flucelvax Quadrivalent (Seqirus) vaccine is a cell-based vaccine.

- The Flublok Quadrivalent (Sanofi Pasteur) vaccine is a recombinant vaccine (synthetically produced).

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Why does China need a Vaccine when they have not recorded any cases of Covid19 since April (or June)?
Probably for the same reason that we inoculate our troops against Anthax and other viruses. You never know where your troops might be deployed.

Also, not different from me getting the Hepatitis A/B and Typhoid vaccines before I traveled to India (for work). These vaccines not needed at home, but disease exposure is different abroad.

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Both the FDA and the CDC are science driven organizations and have always held high trust ratings with the general public. It is a shame that the current political environment has changed this.

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Agree. Anyone wondering why trust in the CDC is suffering should look no farther than the ravings by the lunatic political appointee given oversight of official reports and public statements. We are totally through the looking glass.

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Hear he may take a leave of absence.
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Probably for the same reason that we inoculate our troops against Anthax and other viruses. You never know where your troops might be deployed.

Also, not different from me getting the Hepatitis A/B and Typhoid vaccines before I traveled to India (for work). These vaccines not needed at home, but disease exposure is different abroad.

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Old 09-16-2020, 04:11 PM   #90
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Seriously?
Yes!

I realize that you may have meant your post to be sarcastic, but there are legitimate reasons to vaccinate even when a disease or threat (biological weapon) is not a concern at home.

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Why does China need a Vaccine when they have not recorded any cases of Covid19 since April (or June)?
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...there are legitimate reasons to vaccinate even when a disease or threat (biological weapon) is not a concern at home.
Agreed. From what I understand, a big reason that COVID hit Italy so hard and so "early" is that there is a regular movement of people between China and Italy due to their working together in the garment trade (and probably others as well). Hence you have many Chinese people flying back and forth to Italy. But of course they are not only exposed to/exposing Italian people, but everyone else on the planes, everyone from any other country that may also be working with Italy, etc.

It's all well and good if your borders are perfectly sealed, but how many countries have that (or want it) as their future mode? Do any countries want to just close up their airports, train stations, highways, and ports, and not let anyone in and out again? I doubt it, which is why I can see them vaccinating even if the cases are low within their borders (now, because much movement was curtailed, hopefully temporarily).
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Google "belt and road initiative italy china"
This also contributed to the high C19 in Italy as Chinese workers were brought to Italy.
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Chinese in Italy

The Chinese presence in Italy has to do with Italian law on place of manufacture. If not made in Italy = not Italian. So they imported Chinese workers, rather than shipping manufacture to China. Unfortunately, these workers were mostly from Wuhan, and flew home to Wuhan for the Christmas / New Years holidays.
Note also that the Wuhan airport did not close for international flights until almost a month after the city was locked down.
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Sorry. What I meant was that the Chinese virus is thriving in China even though the CCP is reporting no cases in a country of a billion people. The CCP is not our friend.
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I realize that you may have meant your post to be sarcastic, but there are legitimate reasons to vaccinate even when a disease or threat (biological weapon) is not a concern at home.

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Yes the good, old USA also leads the world in man made climate change deniers and in creationism
Thank goodness the climate change to cooler weather is arriving in AZ. But I just left ranch country and they wished for more warm weather. Hard to keep everybody happy on this subject.

BTW, the FDA and CDC do not govern world wide vaccine approvals. These two organizations do lead the world acting as a punching bag from all sides. Seems the European approved vaccines are progressing well, with mentions of mass use before year end.

China seems to be leading the world in creating COVID vaccines for mass use. Their military is now being vaccinated. Canada is currently testing these same Chinese vaccines.
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Wonder if we’ll see vaccine tourism much like the medical tourism that’s been going on for sometime.
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You can be sure that the wealthy will quickly decide which is the best vaccine and will find a way to get without traveling. Especially since Americans are banned from so many countries. Doctors in places like NYC, Grosse Point, Beverly Hills/Malibu, Palm Beach and Palm Springs, Bridgeport, etc will get it and make it available, whether you or I can afford it is another question.
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White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said today that the head of the CDC “isn’t closest to the process” of vaccine development and testing. Which begs the question: who is? And if it is a person in a political position and not a medical one who is closest, how does that help build trust that the vaccine is not being rushed to release for political reasons?
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White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said today that the head of the CDC “isn’t closest to the process” of vaccine development and testing. Which begs the question: who is? And if it is a person in a political position and not a medical one who is closest, how does that help build trust that the vaccine is not being rushed to release for political reasons?
Who is? Dr. Fauci and the NIH
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“Safe and effective vaccines will be essential to meet the global need for widespread protection against COVID-19,” said NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. “Positive results from preclinical research led by NIH scientists supported the rapid development of this vaccine candidate, which has also showed promise in early-stage clinical trials.”
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Trade in some eggs for a neurotoxin:

FLUCELVAX QUADRIVALENT

Preventing and Managing Allergic Reactions Appropriate medical treatment and supervision must be available to manage possible anaphylactic reactions following administration of the vaccine.

Syncope Syncope (fainting) can occur in association with administration of injectable vaccines, including Flucelvax. Syncope can be accompanied by transient neurological signs such as visual disturbance, paresthesia, and tonic-clonic limb movements. Procedures should be in place to avoid falling injury and to restore cerebral perfusion following syncope by maintaining a supine or Trendelenburg position.

FLUCELVAX QUADRIVALENT 5 mL multi-dose vial formulation contains thimerosal, a mercury derivative, added as a preservative. Each 0.5 mL dose from the multi-dose vial contains 25 mcg mercury.

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A better option to not vaccinating, is to try and get one of the vaccines that is NOT egg-based:

- The Flucelvax Quadrivalent (Seqirus) vaccine is a cell-based vaccine.

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