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In view of passenger experiences, including long forced detentions, serious illness, onboard deaths and deaths after disembarkation due to Covid 19,Princess Cruises* announces it will no longer use the slogan "Come Back New".
For the foreseeable future Princess Cruises will adopt a new slogan:

"Come Back Sick"

*( Please Note: This is Fake News.)
 
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It is probably old news, but I read this morning that there is now a criminal investigation into the actions of the Ruby Princess in letting 2700 untested passengers off the ship. The ships “black box” has been seized and the Captain and his crew are being questioned.
 
Woodland Hills said:
It is probably old news, but I read this morning that there is now a criminal investigation into the actions of the Ruby Princess in letting 2700 untested passengers off the ship. The ships “black box” has been seized and the Captain and his crew are being questioned.
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I am not sure what the black box will show other than where is went.
Maybe there is an engineering black box too and galley black box?
 
OldDan1943 said:
I am not sure what the black box will show other than where is went.
Maybe there is an engineering black box too and galley black box?
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The ship's 'black box' correctly termed VDR for Voyage Data Recorder records and easily plays back quite a lot of potentially useful information in the investigation. Including communications that may show what the Capt and company were up to. The limitation being that the time span is rolling and relatively short.


source: Know about the Black Box in ships
Life at Sea / By sriram balu / Marine Engineering

A VDR stores wide variety of data, everything necessary for an investigation of any situation which hinders the safety of the ship or crew or the environment. The data stored are as follows:

1. Position of the vessel, Date and Time. Usually reference taken from UTC ( Universal Time co-ordinate or coordinated universal time), usually from GPS.
2. Speed on water and speed over ground.
3. Audio recorded over VHF radio communications
4. Course of the vessel from Gyro compass.
5. Data from radar or Automatic Identification System (AIS)
6. Depth under Keel, taken from echo sounder.
7. Bridge audio for common internal communications capable of recording even in bridge wings.
8. All important IMO mandatory alarms.
9. Any weather tight and water tight hull opening status.
10. Fire door status.
11. Engine order and rudder order with response,
12. Wind speed and wind direction,
13. Hull stresses and corresponding Load/buoyancy curve,
14. Propeller and Thruster direction and RPM. Etc.
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High Wire said:
Take a look at Marine Traffic. Filter out everything but the passenger vessels. Whats left are mostly cruise ships either ADRIFT or making less than 10 knots to nowhere.
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I've been checking that, too. Pretty wild to see them all bunched up in little groups of 5, 6, 7 8 ships, just sitting there or drifting.
 
Group9 said:
I've been checking that, too. Pretty wild to see them all bunched up in little groups of 5, 6, 7 8 ships, just sitting there or drifting.
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Here’s a screen shot from last month with 9 cruise ships all anchored in the Bahamas. I was very weird going by them.
 

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OldDan1943 said:
I am not sure what the black box will show other than where is went.
Maybe there is an engineering black box too and galley black box?
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It was a cruise from Sydney to various New Zealand ports for stopovers and returning to Sydney. It managed to infect a number of Kiwi's during stopovers, and exactly which ports it entered and when are of interest for testing and tracking of day trip tour guides, who might only have mild symptoms or be asymptomatic. If other processes had not already identified them (unlikely), then black box info would help.

The cruise was terminated early. Not sure what passengers were told as to the reason, but sick people/possible covid-19 may have been discussed between the ship's officers and Carnival management. On reaching Sydney, Carnival apparently stated 'no covid' at one point after initially being denied permission to dock.

Hopefully the investigation will go back before March 8. That was the day the cruise departed, having unloaded a prior cruise at 6am that morning with over 150 sick people. I am curious as to whether ship's communications around that time, both internal and with Carnival, discussed the prior cruise in relation to the one about to commence. It started 8 hours late so some discussions would have occurred. Things like: 'do we have any sick crew?' might pop out for example. It seems to me that the cruise ought to have been cancelled on March 8. Had it been, 11 (and counting) deaths would have been averted.
 
Beats me why anyone boarded RubyP on March 8. Though I don`t have a problem as to why Carnival let them board. "$".
What`s happening is a Police investigation. We should assume nothing. It is no assumption NSW Police don`t always get it right.
I heard reported that at one point docking and disembarkation were refused. It may be at that point Carnival became involved in negotiations, as distinct from the ship.
 
BruceK said:
Beats me why anyone boarded RubyP on March 8. Though I don`t have a problem as to why Carnival let them board. "$".
What`s happening is a Police investigation. We should assume nothing. It is no assumption NSW Police don`t always get it right.
I heard reported that at one point docking and disembarkation were refused. It may be at that point Carnival became involved in negotiations, as distinct from the ship.
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Ah yes, police investigations.

Reportedly the docking prohibition was reversed after a Carnival Executive stated 'no covid19 on board'. It is not clear whether that person was on the ship or not. But it is to be hoped that the person 'is assisting police with their enquiries' as the euphemism runs.
 
Larry M said:
Here’s a screen shot from last month with 9 cruise ships all anchored in the Bahamas. I was very weird going by them.
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I trust you are feeling better now. :D
 
The Ruby Princess saga widens its affect:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04...ternational-ruby-princess-passengers/12143544.
Meanwhile the ship sits alongside in an industrial port south of Sydney. I think there are a lot of sick crew onboard, and some off the ship in hospital. I can`t see it leaving as anticipated. It is our biggest vector of the disease,the thought it spread disease worldwide as well is too awful to contemplate, but likely true. The investigation into what really happened to allow it to dock continues, but it won`t change the damage caused.

Still waiting for our Celebrity Solstice refund........
 
BruceK said:
The Ruby Princess saga widens its affect:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04...ternational-ruby-princess-passengers/12143544.
Meanwhile the ship sits alongside in an industrial port south of Sydney. I think there are a lot of sick crew onboard, and some off the ship in hospital. I can`t see it leaving as anticipated. It is our biggest vector of the disease,the thought it spread disease worldwide as well is too awful to contemplate, but likely true. The investigation into what really happened to allow it to dock continues, but it won`t change the damage caused.

Still waiting for our Celebrity Solstice refund........
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Repeatedly cruise ships have been the source of introduction of major numbers of cases. We continue to see the cluster impact of Covid 19. Over half the cases in South Dakota are from one pork processing plant. Georgia had large numbers from a church service. Density of persons is a huge factor.
 
Pete Meisinger said:
Atta Boy Trump!!
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It sure sounded to me like Trump wanted to bailout the cruise companies. I think it was public and mostly Democratic outcry that kept US $ from the cruise companies.

Without the cruise ships there might be more tourist $ spent on driving, airlines, food and lodging to offset the lost Tee shirt sales.
 
Ruby Princess will not meet the "aspirational" departure date of April 19. 149 crew are positive onboard, another 14 are being treated onshore. Last news 19 pax deaths and 600+ direct and passed on infections. It`s thought unsafe to depart for now, though the infection rate is slowing and "herd immunity" may be developing. Meanwhile, Princess is spinning the ship`s readiness to join the Alaska cruise fleet this coming season! Get your tickets folks, it`ll be a great cruise!
 
BruceK said:
Meanwhile, Princess is spinning the ship`s readiness to join the Alaska cruise fleet this coming season! Get your tickets folks, it`ll be a great cruise!
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This proves once again that the great philosopher/conman P T Barnum was correct. You do remember "a sucker is born every minute", right?
 
Donsan said:
This proves once again that the great philosopher/conman P T Barnum was correct. You do remember "a sucker is born every minute", right?
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I thought his other quote equally fitting, "For every seat, there's an ass".

Other people's quotes that apply:

"Those that don't study history are destined to repeat it".

"A fool and his money are soon parted".

"Some can learn by being told. Others need to see it. There will always be those who need to pee on the electric fence for themselves".

Ted
 
O C Diver said:
There will always be those who need to pee on the electric fence for themselves".

Ted
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LOL I had young black lab. He was about to pee on an electric fence. I told him NO. Hell, he did it any way, got the shock but from that day on, he knew what NO meant.
 
Supply/demand/management

It is Inevitable that some structures will not survive adverse conditions. Assets will be sold at bargain prices, depending on your definition of bargain and upon timing. For a ready willing and able buyer timing will be the key element of success. And the industry will survive and grow from its new starting point
 
A US passenger from RubyP`s last cruise died in California. Police investigating the last disembarkation and surrounding circumstances are now investigating the prior cruise as well. I heard a passenger on the last cruise interviewed, embarkation was delayed for some 8 hours while the ship was made ready. Until boarding began it seems there was no certainty it would proceed. Was there a hangover problem from the second last cruise? Time will tell. The entire 1100 crew onboard are now to be tested, I`m wondering why that had not already been done. It`s a mess.
 
A second California resident, ex Ruby Princess, has died. Family lawyer announced the death and that the family is suing. Lawyers here are working on a class action. Police investigations are continuing.
 
Ruby Princess may leave Thursday, it all depends on the health of infected crew members and whether it is safe to be remote from specialist hospital care. Some crew, well I think, are coming off into quarantine to prepare for flights home.Most infected crew are being treated onboard, some others are in hospital onshore.

Fake News: Princess announces laying the keel of its newest ship in build, the "Corona Princess". Nice ring to it, a sure hit hit with cruising enthusiasts.
 
5 weeks after discharging 2700 pax spawning around 700 infections and 22 + deaths, Ruby Princess left Australia yesterday, next port Manila. We`re told with no CV19 cases onboard, they are all on land here under treatment. 4-500 crew were taken off to fly home. Some crew still onboard are scared, rightly so, and had no option of getting off.

Princess is promoting July cruises on the ship. How long or short are memories?
 
Mobile, world traveling university specializing in environmental studies and human geography?
 
Absolutely depressing.

We used to enjoy a cruise to out-of-the mainstream locations every couple of years. Now I'm seriously wondering IF we'll ever cruise again. I don't see how the industry can ever fully recover from this. The changes in procedure will be so dramatic for those lines that survive, that it will make the whole experience about as much fun as going through an airport :-(
 
ScottC said:
Absolutely depressing. ...
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Just means Holland America is out some ships. While the article doesn't say, the ships could be going to other cruise lines (who pick them up at fire sale prices). If they were being sold to scrap, it probably would have said so. Perhaps they are going to better run companies in other parts of the world that are less affected by the virus.
 
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