09-08-2018, 09:20 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Richey
Vessel Name: Olive Oyl
Vessel Model: Scout 30, Caribiana 23
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 234
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I personally want you thank you, Pea, for sharing this heart wrenching story. I sincerely hope that after all is said and done you end up with a boat that you can enjoy.
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09-10-2018, 04:04 AM
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#42
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Guru
City: Newark, DE
Vessel Name: Infinity
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 48
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 683
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Martin
I personally want you thank you, Pea, for sharing this heart wrenching story. I sincerely hope that after all is said and done you end up with a boat that you can enjoy.
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Strongly agree.
Related to this I've recently discovered there are several attorneys around the country who specialize in yacht purchase transactions. If/when we consider doing a new build I'd certainly talk to these folks to understand their cost and the value they bring.
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09-10-2018, 07:27 AM
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#43
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Guru
City: Victoria TX
Vessel Name: Bijou
Vessel Model: 2008 Island Packet PY/SP
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 5,275
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09-10-2018, 09:09 AM
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#44
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Valued Technical Contributor
City: Litchfield, Ct
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,558
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Pea's story is indeed heart wrenching and provides us with a few lessons and some parallels with the story of Tesla's Model 3:
Both announced a radical new boat/car at an impossibly low price and proceeded to take deposits for it.
Both ran into design/production problems which delayed delivery of the first models.
Here is where the story departs:
Tesla sold and continues to sell the early models with lots of extra stuff increasing the price by 50%. The Tesla buyers had a choice to accept a car that cost 50% more than promised or to cancel the order and many canceled. But those that paid more are generally happy with what they got. It is doubtful that any Model 3s will ever be delivered for the original price.
GH delivered a flawed product to the early buyers and held them hostage for final payment and reneged on fixing the problems. The early buyers will have to fix those themselves or enter prolonged and expensive litigation. But they may end up with a boat that cost them less, all things considered, than the full cost of building it right.
So similar situations and each manufacturer followed different approaches when they (predictably) ran into trouble. Tesla's reputation is generally intact. GH's is generally in the gutter. Neither are honorable approaches.
David
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09-10-2018, 09:33 AM
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#45
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Guru
City: Carefree, Arizona
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 9,796
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miz Trom
The TT35 does not fit the OP's requirements by a long shot. The ACTUAL (not the marketing smoke on the website) specs are:
LOA 43 ft.
Beam 10'6"
Weight 10,600 lbs
Draft (outboards down) 24"
Have surveyors report and weight report that proves this. (A classic comment from one of our friends referred to the boat as the Great Hoax TT35.)
Cheers,
Pea
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Pretty much the same size and weight as a SeaRay I used to tow. Of course the trailer that TT uses to haul this vessel around will have to be purchased too. A one ton pickup can handle it easily.
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09-10-2018, 09:55 AM
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#46
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Guru
City: Satsuma FL
Vessel Name: No Mo Trawla
Vessel Model: Hurricane SS188
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 2,300
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djmarchand
GH delivered a flawed product to the early buyers and held them hostage for final payment and reneged on fixing the problems. The early buyers will have to fix those themselves or enter prolonged and expensive litigation. But they may end up with a boat that cost them less, all things considered, than the full cost of building it right.
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Haven't seen any mention of design changes to correct the flaws, so I have to assume current buyers are being stuck with the same issues.
It is ironic that GH still uses Pea's early comments about the design in their web pages. It is also sad they have been given ample opportunities to protect their reputation by fixing major flaws and so far have refused to do so. Happy customers will sell their boats. Unhappy customers will sink their business.
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09-10-2018, 12:48 PM
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#47
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Senior Member
City: Port Richey
Vessel Name: Olive Oyl
Vessel Model: Scout 30, Caribiana 23
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 234
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cardude01
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Perfect example of a custom builder with a proven track record. I've been on several of Sam's boats & actually met him at the WoodenBoat Show up in Mystic years ago. Really nice down to earth guy & the fit & finish of his boats is truly excellent. If I was considering having a boat designed & built Sam Devlin is the first person I would talk to. However, quality like this does not come cheap.
https://www.devlinboat.com/wordpress1/
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