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Old 10-31-2017, 05:09 PM   #1
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This boat showed up in the Coral Gables Waterway across from a boat I keep an eye on. It just struck me as a very pretty boat. Does anybody recognize it?

There are two masts laying on the deck. There is what looks like a builders mark consisting of two crossed flags with something written under them. The hull appears to be wood. There is damaged paint on the side. Probably hurricane damage.

I think it looks better without masts than it would with them up, but that's just me.
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Old 10-31-2017, 05:28 PM   #2
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I don't know what it is but I know I'm luvin it .
Cheoy Lee maybe ?
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Old 10-31-2017, 05:44 PM   #3
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Possum II might be a bit of a fixer upper but she sure has style. Early DeVries??
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It looks very similar to a Philip Rhodes Motorsailer.



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Old 10-31-2017, 09:10 PM   #5
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Looking at pictures of various Motorsailors I think the flat transom sets this one apart from most of the others. Rounded transom or a canoe stern seems more common on motorsailors.

The flat transom makes this one look more powerboat than sailboat to my eye.
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Old 11-01-2017, 07:53 AM   #6
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The house looks like it got snached off a Pacemaker cruiser and perhaps shortened.
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Old 11-02-2017, 09:39 AM   #7
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1959 Philip Rhodes Virginia Reel Motorsailer Project for Sale
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Old 11-02-2017, 07:02 PM   #8
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Hi Dave, both you and Coolbeans suggested that it looked like a Rhodes design. Tad Roberts suggested the same thing on my Facebook page. We may have a winner but I'm not sure how we'll confirm it.
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Drive around and talk to the owner, he owns a trawler , he will be friendly.
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I went back for another look and it was gone. If I see someone in the yard I'll ask. One neighbor said it was a replica of Pilar, but it's not even close to Pilar. Emilio Estevez has a really nice replica of Pilar that he keeps in South Florida.
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Correction, Andy Garcia owns the Pilar replica.
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It is a Palmer Johnson, and the owner has a connection to Andy Garcia, who owns the PILAR replica. I am afraid I have forgotten the name of the boat, but I know she is a Palmer Johnson. She was shown at Ocean Reef Vintage Weekend a few years ago.
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Old 12-03-2017, 10:35 PM   #13
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Thanks Malden. I was hoping to get down to the vintage weekend this year but I understand it was canceled because of the hurricane.
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Looking at pictures of various Motorsailors I think the flat transom sets this one apart from most of the others. Rounded transom or a canoe stern seems more common on motorsailors.

The flat transom makes this one look more powerboat than sailboat to my eye.
Hi,

You're right she's cool and beautiful, but unfortunately, the boat loses part of its intended stability when the masts are removed out.

This would be good to take into account the conserve work, possibly lighten the keel weight, but the sea architect can calculate it.

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Howdy, i just saw this picture on google. She’s mine. She’s a 1954 Palmer Johnson. I’m currently well into the restoration process. She’s one hell of a vessel.
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So.. I have always liked the idea of a motorsailer. There was one at my marina last summer, he was just leaving to do the Loop. As far as I can remember he didn't even have a mast. Most that I have seen don't have a mast.

Can you actually sail a motorsailer? Or is sort of a get home sail or stabilizing sail. I once heard that it is impractical to attempt to sail any vessel with a fixed prop.

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Hi Pete,
The Motorsailer concept is the best of all boating worlds in my opinion. Yes, they can be sailed, and yes they can motor, but they come into their own with both motor and sails running simultaneously. They are designed to be used with the engine running and engaged at all times. So, in this case (as per design) the three bladed prop is a virtue. The Sails are designed to stabilize the vessel and provide additional lift to ease fuel consumption and provide "get-home" propulsion. I love the concept, and perhaps in another lifetime, I would have one built. 👍
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Can you actually sail a motorsailer? Or is sort of a get home sail or stabilizing sail. I once heard that it is impractical to attempt to sail any vessel with a fixed prop.

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The way I always understood it, there is no "one" motorsailer, hence no one answer. In other words, let's say a powerboat is 100% motorboat, and a sailboat is (or can be if there is no engine or it is not in use) 100% sailboat. Motorsailers are not necessarily 50% of both but rather the ratio can vary.

So one motorsailer could be a 70/30 (power/sail), one could be a 50/50 or etc.

I have even sailed a twin-engined motorsailer that was nearly a normal sailboat when sailing (or at least much closer than you'd expect). Sailed great without the engine much of the time (was even a centerboarder).

Another dividing line in my mind is can a motorsailer tack through the wind under sail or does it need to wear ship or do a motor-assisted tack.

At the most extreme, I wouldn't even put a power vessel with a steadying sail in the motorsailer category.

For myself I figured I'd probably just choose a trawler and then carry a sailing dinghy. But then again I was watching a video of a Nordhavn motorsailer on its way from Florida to Panama and while it was trundling along, heeled and under sail it brought back a visceral desire to sail an ocean again. Probably didn't hurt that while I had sweated away sailing in the tropics (ugh), they were cool as cucumbers in the air-conditioned pilothouse

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Old 04-21-2020, 02:29 PM   #19
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Here we are motor-sailing along. Mostly motoring, just the jib up because not much wind. Itís nice to be able to go into the pilot house and turn on the AC when it gets too hot.
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Crossing to the Bahamas with the sails up, engine in gear idling. I say we are going 6kt but looks slower than that!
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Old 04-21-2020, 02:48 PM   #20
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My motorsailer

The mast was snapped and the rigging torn loose during hurricane Irma, Iíve only motored her this far but she cruises nicely at 8kts and Iíve pushed her as far as 14. I had to demast the boat to get her in the waterway. Once all hull repairs are completed ( a slow and meticulous process due to my inexperience) the boat will be moved and she will sail again. The previous captain said you could hardly get a single knot out of her without the engines in gear.
Mast stands 25í off the deck
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