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03-23-2015, 12:17 PM
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I think some of us are getting too raped up in the sail part of the motor sailor concept. Why not just keep it a trawler with a mast that you can set some sail on. There are lots of trawlers like that and nobody gets bent out of shape trying to figure out if that is a sail boat or motor boat.
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03-23-2015, 12:52 PM
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#82
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City: Adelaide
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eyschulman
I think some of us are getting too raped up in the sail part of the motor sailor concept. Why not just keep it a trawler with a mast that you can set some sail on. There are lots of trawlers like that and nobody gets bent out of shape trying to figure out if that is a sail boat or motor boat.
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Keeping it a motor boat with a small sail is certainly an option, although it has few benefits other than a slight steadying capability. Paravanes would be a better choice.
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03-23-2015, 01:27 PM
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#83
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AusCan
Keeping it a motor boat with a small sail is certainly an option, although it has few benefits other than a slight steadying capability. Paravanes would be a better choice.
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If the PV system can be worked into the mast for supports then the up side of each system would be available. There are times when PV are a PITA where a steady and boost sized sail rig would be preferred. There may also be use for both systems deployed at the same time where the stabilization plus a little boost come into play.
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03-23-2015, 09:57 PM
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#84
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03-23-2015, 11:16 PM
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#85
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City: Victoria TX
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Junk rig? 😳
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03-24-2015, 05:26 AM
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A modern sail rig that performs as folks would expect on a genuine sail boat is probably not possible.
However looking at the past 2500 years of commercial sail boats , shows that for a voyage quite a modest rig will suffice.
As a get home not much is required , IF the port selected is a broad reach or downwind.
50-60 miles a day is far better than a LLoyds contract salvage tow.
Folks interested in this concept might consider one of the new kites for boats and skip the mast and rig.
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03-24-2015, 07:20 AM
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#87
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I wasn't aware of a kit sailing rig for a boat. That is an interesting "get home" idea. Fairly easy to store and deploy when needed. Supposed to sail at up to 40 degrees off downwind.
http://youtu.be/EGpgD78l7K4
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03-24-2015, 09:24 AM
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#88
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City: Adelaide
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Not a bad idea for a get home sail. (if home is downwind). They may have a slight stabilizing effect as well, although I would expect they would have much less than a fixed sail of the same size.
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03-24-2015, 11:24 AM
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A fella can dream  ....
Nordhavn 56MS
There are links on the site with pdf's of recent reviews. It looks like Nordhaven got it mostly right.
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03-25-2015, 02:16 AM
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 I love that boat!!
Motorsailers are the way to go for distance cruising, IMHO. My admiral has had enough of Rag & Stick though, so our answer is INFINITY. If it ever became a solo venture for me (please God no), I'd be looking at something like a Fisher 37 - or perhaps the more recent MT-37 from Morozov.
Unfortunately the N56 would be too big for single-handing.
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03-25-2015, 07:13 AM
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Oooooo. I like that modern version of the Fisher 37. Do they still make them?
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03-25-2015, 10:31 AM
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Yes, I believe they are,,,made-to-order though, in Aluminum.
Also, check out the brand new Fisher 37, made in SRI LANKA.
Good luck sleeping tonight! 
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03-26-2015, 05:42 PM
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I just bought a boat so I'm safe. But I can dream... 😎
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03-26-2015, 06:03 PM
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Isn't the boat in the foreground a Fisher 37 or one a bit shorter?
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03-26-2015, 06:24 PM
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As much as I love the Fisher, I'd hate the wood trim and rub guards.
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03-26-2015, 06:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce
Isn't the boat in the foreground a Fisher 37 or one a bit shorter?
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Mark,
That's a Fisher 34.
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03-26-2015, 07:27 PM
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#97
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Quote:
Originally Posted by healhustler
As much as I love the Fisher, I'd hate the wood trim and rub guards.
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As in too much wood to take care of, or you hate the look? I think it looks cool, but also looks like a PITA to take care of.
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03-26-2015, 07:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cardude01
As in too much wood to take care of, or you hate the look? I think it looks cool, but also looks like a PITA to take care of.
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Oh yeah.....I love the look. Yeah, if I had a crew to take care of my woodwork I'd have plenty of it!
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03-26-2015, 08:51 PM
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#99
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City: SF Bay Area
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03-26-2015, 08:53 PM
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#100
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City: Adelaide
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It would be a tough choice - a Fisher 37 or a Hans Christian PH 39?
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