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05-21-2023, 11:21 PM
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Senior Member
City: Davis, California
Vessel Name: Off Leash
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38e
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 204
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Helmsman Trawlers in the Wild
Hey all. We wrapped up the Helmsman Rendezvous in Port Townsend this morning and scattered to the winds. Or for those of us who had to leave early this morning to get back to Seattle, a brutal ebb tide. I amend my admonition that the most dangerous thing on a boat is a schedule. It may also be the most expensive. At least when it comes to fuel.
The Helmsman Trawler folks--particularly Scott, Lisa and Van--did a wonderful job. And no surprise, Helmsman owners are a friendly and lively bunch with diverse interests and many talents.
One of the owners (EmBark) put together a list of participants--including their planned cruising destinations for this summer. That got me to thinking. We need a photo log of Helmsmans in the Wild to document where these great boats go. So I am starting this string to encourage all Helmsman and Camano (now Helmsman 31) owners--especially our east coast and Midwest brethren-- to post a picture this summer of your boat in a photogenic and cool destination. It is perfectly fine to trot out a historic photo, but the goal should be to post one from this summer.
Just a photo, not a travelogue or, worse yet, a slide show, please. We can start another string for that.
I will seed this with a photo of a bunch of Helmsmans lined up at the dock for the Rendezvous. It was a glorious sight. I will post again when we get to our northernmost destination in August. Or before if I get a cool shot of the boat.
Jeff (and Barbara) on Off Leash
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Time and tides wait for no one. It is just a whole lot easier to deal with both if you are in a boat.
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05-22-2023, 01:41 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Ludlow
Vessel Name: Kiskadee
Vessel Model: Helmsman 46 Hull#1
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 234
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What a line up! How I wish my 46 could have been part of the rendezvous! Next year!!
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05-22-2023, 04:02 PM
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Guru
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Name: Mishy Jean
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 1,066
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Heading out to complete a 280 mile trip up the Tennessee. That is my brother in law (probably looking for loose change!) No idea why the picture is sideways!
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05-22-2023, 05:40 PM
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Senior Member
City: La Conner
Vessel Name: Alba Bella
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38E (Home at last )
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 259
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Jeff,
It was an amazing weekend that many of us stretched into Monday using weather as an excuse. We still got a pretty good bashing crossing the strait going north. The rendezvous was amazing and getting to know the Helmsman owners and their boats was fulfilling. It is true that buying a Helmsman gets you more than a very fine boat. It’s comes with membership in a community of people whose search for excellence brought them all to the same brand.
So far, all the photos of our boat have fenders dangling. Hopefully we will soon have some live action photos in the wild to share.
Thanks for all you added to the rendezvous.
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05-22-2023, 11:49 PM
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Guru
City: Hernando Beach
Vessel Model: Seaway
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 506
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Helmsman - here, I fixed your sideways photo for you. (Beautiful boat!)
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05-23-2023, 06:33 AM
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Guru
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Name: Mishy Jean
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 1,066
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miz Trom
Helmsman - here, I fixed your sideways photo for you. (Beautiful boat!)
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Well, thank you very much! On both counts.
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06-03-2023, 03:22 PM
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Senior Member
City: La Conner
Vessel Name: Alba Bella
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38E (Home at last )
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 259
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hydraulicjump
So I am starting this string to encourage all Helmsman and Camano (now Helmsman 31) owners--especially our east coast and Midwest brethren-- to post a picture this summer of your boat in a photogenic and cool destination. It is perfectly fine to trot out a historic photo, but the goal should be to post one from this summer.
Just a photo, not a travelogue or, worse yet, a slide show, please. We can start another string for that.
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On our trip home from the rendezvous, we were spotted by a friend clamming on Whidbey Island. He sent us a shot of our boat passing Hope Island.
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06-03-2023, 07:48 PM
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Guru
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Name: Mishy Jean
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 1,066
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug_Snider
On our trip home from the rendezvous, we were spotted by a friend clamming on Whidbey Island. He sent us a shot of our boat passing Hope Island.
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The hull color sets it off to me. Cool picture!
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06-03-2023, 07:58 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Ludlow
Vessel Name: Kiskadee
Vessel Model: Helmsman 46 Hull#1
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 234
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Absolutely beautiful!
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06-04-2023, 08:50 AM
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Guru
City: Sandusky Bay
Vessel Name: Escape
Vessel Model: Mariner 37
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 1,427
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An acquaintance of our broker snapped this picture of us off Marblehead in Lake Erie last year and sent it to him and he sent it to us.
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Escape
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06-04-2023, 11:12 AM
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Guru
City: San Diego
Vessel Model: Helmsman 4304
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 2,005
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Hanging with the sailboats. My travel buddy is off my port bow in a Tartan.
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06-04-2023, 05:39 PM
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Senior Member
City: Davis, California
Vessel Name: Off Leash
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38e
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 204
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Great pic! We are headed north in a couple of weeks and will post a pic of Off Leash in the Wild.
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Time and tides wait for no one. It is just a whole lot easier to deal with both if you are in a boat.
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06-05-2023, 06:26 AM
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Guru
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Name: Mishy Jean
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 1,066
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadedToTexas
An acquaintance of our broker snapped this picture of us off Marblehead in Lake Erie last year and sent it to him and he sent it to us.
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Nice! HTT, Have you been up to Canada yet?
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06-05-2023, 08:32 AM
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Guru
City: Dewatto
Vessel Name: CHiTON
Vessel Model: Tung Hwa Clipper 30
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 1,094
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I try not to follow the posts on newer, more expensive boats. Tends to get me in trouble. But the pictures of these makes me think of the Anti-Roll Tank concept again. The "tuning" of the box-like tank generally requires baffles because water transfers too fast from side to side. Another tuning trick is to make the tank longer, sometimes wider than the pilot house (also increases moment arm, but looks ugly). The Helmsman upper fairing looks to be a nice cresent shape that could fit a cresent-shaped ART. An ART inside of that would have effective end-to-end length equal to (maybe greater than) the vessel's beam. It would effectively have greater capacity at the beam ends, unlike most box tanks.
Feel free to modify your Helmsman and post the results. Actually, it would be nice if a successful ART design was incorporated into production Helmsman. One could still decide to spend $40K for a gyro stabilizer instead of adding 50 gallons of water to the tank.
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06-05-2023, 10:24 AM
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Guru
City: Sandusky Bay
Vessel Name: Escape
Vessel Model: Mariner 37
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 1,427
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Fascinating. Fit a largish pipe or two tanks connected by a largish pipe inside the bridge console to function as a flume tank? Do you have any math on how much water would be required to quell roll on a 13 ton semi-displacement trawler like the Mariner 37 / Helmsman 38?
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Escape
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06-05-2023, 11:57 PM
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Guru
City: Dewatto
Vessel Name: CHiTON
Vessel Model: Tung Hwa Clipper 30
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 1,094
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[QUOTE=HeadedToTexas;1176315]Fit a largish pipe or two tanks connected by a largish pipe inside the bridge console to function as a flume tank?
No, the tank would just be smooth cresent shape (like the flying bridge cowl) to not impede the wave generated inside, merely make the transfer take longer and have greater effective volume at the beam ends.
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Originally Posted by HeadedToTexas
Do you have any math on how much water would be required to quell roll on a 13 ton semi-displacement trawler like the Mariner 37 / Helmsman 38?
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Depends on how much "quell" is desired. Swan Song, a Monk Roughwater 58, had 1,500# of water in an ART over the pilot house. The owner said it was freakishly stabile. I could tell a noticeable difference in my 30' boat with less than 200# in a tank on the flying bridge.
What caught my eye was the shape and placement of the Helmsman FB cowling. Here is a picture of the ART on Swan Song. Not pretty. A cresent tank under the Helmsman cowling might not allow playing billiards while underway like a $50K gyro, but it might cut the roll by 35% (at anchor and underway) and be invisible (not to mention inexpensive to build, operate and maintain).
If I had a Helmsman, I'd try it. What, no takers?
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06-06-2023, 12:53 AM
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Senior Member
City: La Conner
Vessel Name: Alba Bella
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38E (Home at last )
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 259
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It didn’t take long for this thread to get way off topic. Hydraulicjump had a great idea but someone hijacked the thread. I hate it when that happens. Can we get it back on topic?
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06-23-2023, 08:38 AM
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#18
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Senior Member
City: Davis, California
Vessel Name: Off Leash
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38e
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 204
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Back on topic: Photo of Off Leash in the Wild
Hey all, getting back to our "baby pictures". Here is Off Leash looking rather lovely at Penrose Point State Park in Washington. Of course, I was so focused on getting a good picture of the boat I neglected to incorporate any background. But isn't that the nature of baby pics?
BTW, this is a reminder to you new to PNW cruising not to neglect Puget Sound Proper (that area south of Admiralty Inlet but still part of the Salish Sea). Most folks are focused on the San Juan Islands, Gulf Islands, etc. There are hidden gems in the deep south Sound that are worth exploring, including all the way down to Olympia. Other than glimpses of Rainier and the Olympics, the scenery is not as great, but for just pure cruising and mixing nights on the hook with nights in marinas, it is great.
Will send some real in-the-wild pics later this summer from the Broughton Archipelago.
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Time and tides wait for no one. It is just a whole lot easier to deal with both if you are in a boat.
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06-23-2023, 11:19 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Berkeley
Vessel Name: Knowing Blue
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38E
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 49
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This was taken a few weeks back in Forward Harbour, on our way north. Heading back to our boat after dinner on our friends' GB.
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06-29-2023, 06:04 PM
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#20
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Senior Member
City: Henry Island, WA
Vessel Name: Embark
Vessel Model: 38E Helmsman - #51
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 176
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squirrel cove BC
Heading north in the inside passage. Caught up with M&M forever in Squirrel Cove BC. Off exploring. Tom, Jill and Lilly.
(ps I cant get the picture to rotate, so rotate your screen )
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