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12-06-2017, 11:07 AM
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Guru
City: Mississippi
Vessel Name: ADAGIO
Vessel Model: CHB Present 42 Sundeck
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 920
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Yep, love the smaller boats. Our first was a 26' CC Cavalier cruiser. Plenty of room for two 28 yr olds back then. But now 34 yrs later we are planning for the loop, and with two married children and many, many good friends - all of whom will be spending weeks/months with us on the loop. Now, bigger is better, ie two, or three cabins, two heads, covered sundeck .....
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12-06-2017, 11:31 AM
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#82
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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and room to store lots more than the basics....
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12-06-2017, 12:44 PM
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#83
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TF Site Team
City: California Delta
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: 1977 Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 13,728
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Does the Camano have a wet head? If so, that would be a deal breaker for me.
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12-06-2017, 01:54 PM
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#84
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWright
Does the Camano have a wet head? If so, that would be a deal breaker for me.
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If the Camano has one stall shower and one wet head, I would encourage you to disable the shower in the wet head. (take the shower head and hose off, hide them or lose them over the side.) If your guest do not like it, they dont have to go with you. Wet heads are a bear to clean and your guests will never clean it to your standards.
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12-06-2017, 03:44 PM
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#85
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Even a dedicated shower stall is a headache, but less than a wet head.
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12-06-2017, 04:49 PM
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#86
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce
Even a dedicated shower stall is a headache, but less than a wet head.
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Ah yup still a headache but you gotta shower somewhere if you go out in public. If the dog and or cat refuse to sit with you, time to shower. LOL
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12-06-2017, 05:13 PM
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#87
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxtrotCharlie
Yep, love the smaller boats. Our first was a 26' CC Cavalier cruiser. Plenty of room for two 28 yr olds back then. But now 34 yrs later we are planning for the loop, and with two married children and many, many good friends - all of whom will be spending weeks/months with us on the loop. Now, bigger is better, ie two, or three cabins, two heads, covered sundeck .....
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We make a lot of five foot itis or whatever we choose to call it. However, much of the changes in sizes are simply a matter of going through life stages. Small is good to start. Then we seem to need more. Then it seems we reach the point that returning to smaller makes sense. We do the same in houses. Most of us start in apartments and then when we're old many return to condos.
I only hit as high as 30' on my fifth boat.
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12-06-2017, 05:25 PM
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#88
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Guru
City: Pembroke
Vessel Name: Emma B
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 32/34
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 827
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The original Camano had a wet head...
The new Helmsman redesign has a dry head with vanity and a totally separate shower stall.
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12-06-2017, 07:27 PM
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#89
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Guru
City: ketchikan, Alaska
Vessel Name: 'SLO'~BELLE
Vessel Model: 1978 Marben-27' Flybridge Trawler(extended to 30 feet) Pilothouse Pocket Cruiser[
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,206
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Confused, Our boat has what you folks are calling a 'Wet Head' I guess, as the two, commode and shower share the same space. Our walls are formica, after a shower, a simple wipe down of the walls no more than a minute one would suppose, and check to see that the t/paper remained dry which is the case due to location. No big deal on the
'Slo~Belle', in fact another attribute to our boat when space utilization is in play.
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12-06-2017, 07:49 PM
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#90
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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A dedicated shower stall requires less wiping down of various surfaces such as the toilet as well as cleaning-solution containers handily kept aside a "dry" toilet.
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12-06-2017, 08:11 PM
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#91
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al
Confused, Our boat has what you folks are calling a 'Wet Head' I guess, as the two, commode and shower share the same space. Our walls are formica, after a shower, a simple wipe down of the walls no more than a minute one would suppose, and check to see that the t/paper remained dry which is the case due to location. No big deal on the
'Slo~Belle', in fact another attribute to our boat when space utilization is in play.
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Wifey B: Wet heads work fine for many but given a choice, most would choose dry. I choose separate shower and must be sized for two.
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12-06-2017, 08:58 PM
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#92
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Guru
City: ketchikan, Alaska
Vessel Name: 'SLO'~BELLE
Vessel Model: 1978 Marben-27' Flybridge Trawler(extended to 30 feet) Pilothouse Pocket Cruiser[
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,206
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce
A dedicated shower stall requires less wiping down of various surfaces such as the toilet as well as cleaning-solution containers handily kept aside a "dry" toilet.
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Well Woopie Do!!
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12-06-2017, 09:39 PM
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#93
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al
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Wifey B: Whoopie Do Do might be more like it. A wet shower makes it very difficult for one person to use a toilet while another showers.
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12-06-2017, 09:52 PM
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#94
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Guru
City: ketchikan, Alaska
Vessel Name: 'SLO'~BELLE
Vessel Model: 1978 Marben-27' Flybridge Trawler(extended to 30 feet) Pilothouse Pocket Cruiser[
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,206
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB
Wifey B: Whoopie Do Do might be more like it. A wet shower makes it very difficult for one person to use a toilet while another showers.
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Yal I sort of snickered at Markpiece's objection to a smigen of physical labor, yet with a smile yet on my face reading you, the immediate thought is " what are the odds?"
Anyway guys, I am fortunate to have escaped the level of civilization allowing me to either piss over the side, or use the deck bucket and dump it over the side or wait til the head being used as a shower stall is free. small things, that are accomplished without a huge amount of thought.
Al-Ketchikan
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12-06-2017, 10:54 PM
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#95
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Senior Member
City: Pa
Vessel Model: Albin 27 fc
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 117
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You can check out the revamped now Helmsman/camano31 here
http://www.helmsmantrawlers.com/31-camano/
They have address many of the complaints/issues
Galley is now up
Leaving room for separate shower stall
And a bunch of other changes.
But no side doors.....but keeps boat dry ,
but this is a 27' lwl boat ! 28' OD
So for the size it's a lot of boat. I can't justify buying new but this would be on a short list....
Cheers Warren
You can read more here
http://www.helmsmantrawlers.com/wp-c...-pages-1-4.pdf
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12-07-2017, 10:50 AM
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#96
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Guru
City: ketchikan, Alaska
Vessel Name: 'SLO'~BELLE
Vessel Model: 1978 Marben-27' Flybridge Trawler(extended to 30 feet) Pilothouse Pocket Cruiser[
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,206
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Seriously, all snide remarks aside, the Helmsman is an outstanding example of space use. In all regards, given the funding, it would be this or a 37 Lord Nelson.
Regards
Al-Ketchikan
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12-07-2017, 10:58 AM
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#97
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al
Seriously, all snide remarks aside, the Helmsman is an outstanding example of space use. In all regards, given the funding, it would be this or a 37 Lord Nelson.
Regards
Al-Ketchikan
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Here's your opportunity for a Lord Nelson tug.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dumas-1225-...YAAOSwhDBZ5ziY
This next is a bit more expensive.
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1983...s#.WilzSLaZMWo
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12-07-2017, 11:16 AM
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#98
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Guru
City: Pembroke
Vessel Name: Emma B
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 32/34
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 827
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Al.... I agree...
While a separate shower is nice, it too requires being “wiped down” to look good.
My southern sailboat has a wet head and it’s not a big deal.
I remember wet heads being total luxury after sun heated shower bags in the cockpit...
I’m glad I have the shower...but a larger storage compartment in that space wouldn’t have been a deal breaker for me.
PS...
Best of the season to everyone.
Merry Christmas !
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12-07-2017, 11:56 AM
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#99
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Guru
City: ketchikan, Alaska
Vessel Name: 'SLO'~BELLE
Vessel Model: 1978 Marben-27' Flybridge Trawler(extended to 30 feet) Pilothouse Pocket Cruiser[
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,206
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
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O 'Lordy" (Pun) were that on the West Coast, there is one for 109,000 in Seattle area, and so darn tempted, however, at age 80 and a current 'Perfect' boat in hand, I have to face reality choosing the model over the actual!!
Thanks, good humor post
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12-07-2017, 12:04 PM
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#100
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al
O 'Lordy" (Pun) were that on the West Coast, there is one for 109,000 in Seattle area, and so darn tempted, however, at age 80 and a current 'Perfect' boat in hand, I have to face reality choosing the model over the actual!!
Thanks, good humor post
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That is not a model. It is a 'slightly smaller in size LN. Some assembly required.
Yup, anyone that proclaims, 'growing old is fun', has never grown old.
I will be coming up on 75. Good to see you still doing the boating dance.
Interestedly, there isn't really much to LN tug. Simplicity at its finest.
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