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Old 09-30-2022, 02:13 PM   #921
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We just received word from Scott and the Helmsman team that our boat should arrive around the end of November. That is subject to the cargo shipping system and the ports, of course. Then another phase of the fun begins!
Just saw this! Very excited for you!
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Old 09-30-2022, 02:27 PM   #922
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We have been playing around with the Permanon Marine coating all summer long and have used it on our vehicles. We live on a dusty gravel road, and our farm environment seems harsher than a marine environment. The Permanon has held up well and we rarely have to wash our cars any longer, just a quick hose off. Pretty happy with it. Do you have your boat yet and have you cc'd it? If so what are your impressions?
The boat wonít arrive until the end of November. My plan is to get coated some time in the first month. Will report back what we think. I havenít found any concerns or complaints from folks yet, so we will see. It is good you have tested it for us. Ease of application is another selling point. It is made for non-professionals to apply, which is a good thing.
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:26 PM   #923
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Just saw this! Very excited for you!
It is exciting. They make a great boat and it will be fun to stretch its legs across the gulf. It is a well behaved boat in close quarters. It will be so much fun to get the opportunity to skipper it.
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:36 PM   #924
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We just received word from Scott and the Helmsman team that our boat should arrive around the end of November. That is subject to the cargo shipping system and the ports, of course. Then another phase of the fun begins!
Congratulations!
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:39 PM   #925
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It is exciting. They make a great boat and it will be fun to stretch its legs across the gulf. It is a well behaved boat in close quarters. It will be so much fun to get the opportunity to skipper it.
We hope you document your journey and will share it with us all. We thought 52 NM to home was an adventure. Keep us posted on your route. We look forward to sharing the arrival and maiden voyage of ďAlba BellaĒ with Trawler Forum.
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Old 10-01-2022, 02:24 PM   #926
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We hope you document your journey and will share it with us all. We thought 52 NM to home was an adventure. Keep us posted on your route. We look forward to sharing the arrival and maiden voyage of ďAlba BellaĒ with Trawler Forum.
We certainly will. The trip will be fun. Certainly a good warmup for future trips.
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Old 10-01-2022, 03:33 PM   #927
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Here are photos of the two things I have coated with Permanon. The car has been done for 3-4 months, traveling a gravel farm road daily. This photo was taken after hosing off yesterday and then driving it 90 miles. NO DUST!!! The trailer is brand new and we just gave it the first coat. Very pleased with how this product is holding up and ease of cleaning and use. I am definitely going use it on my new Helmsman.Great Product, user friendly and affordable!


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That looks great. The finish on your pictures is what I am hoping for.
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Old 10-01-2022, 06:58 PM   #929
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We just received word from Scott and the Helmsman team that our boat should arrive around the end of November. That is subject to the cargo shipping system and the ports, of course. Then another phase of the fun begins!
That is pretty exciting news, Helmsman. Congratulations!!! Sounds like it's all coming together and things are starting to become real.
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Old 10-02-2022, 09:37 AM   #930
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Have any of you veteran Helmsman owners tried to apply a ceramic coat after years of ownership? We did this on our Ranger Tug and it was both expensive (lots of wet sanding of the hull to restore the faded color) and fantastic. The boat looked brand new when we sold it.

We have the Kingston gray hull. It has some minor scuffs and marks, but is in good shape (3 years old). Still, it would take some work to buff things out. Thinking about hiring a specialist to do this on the hull.
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Old 10-02-2022, 04:43 PM   #931
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...I am definitely going use it on my new Helmsman.Great Product, user friendly and affordable!...
It looks great! What was the procedure for applying it?

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Old 10-02-2022, 05:19 PM   #932
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Rick, On the trailer, since it was new, we just gave it a very good wash with Dawn and microfibered it dry. Can also use a leaf blower. The Permanon comes concentrated and you mix it yourself with water, spray on as a fine mist and micro fiber off. They say using a little force while drying gets the particles into the pores. The car was done with another ceramic coating product 2 years ago. It had never been waxed. Again we just washed with Dawn, dried, and misted Permanon on, towel drying it. They recommend two coats of 10% for he initial coating, then anywhere from 3-5% thereafter as needed. Our truck was also done several years ago and still looks great but itís time to give it a touch up. I have been testing the marine formula on our cars which Permanon says is fine to do. Very pleased with the results. Itís not the heavy duty method that many of the pros use and I expect to redo yearly. Since itís so easy, itís no big deal. Many of the boat detailers are using a similar product and want 4K or so to do it. Of course it depends all about the prep. Personally we like to be able to do as much work on our boat as we can. Hiring someone to use the product that flashes on is considerably more expensive.
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Old 10-02-2022, 05:39 PM   #933
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We might have found our ceramic coating applicator. I found nothing but glowing reports, many of them on the Ranger Tug forum. He got back to us very quickly and we intend to call him tomorrow. He sent a link to a video that explains ceramic applications to new and used boats. I don’t have an estimate yet but the finished product in the video is amazing. He started with his own boat after 30 years in automotive finishes.

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Old 10-02-2022, 08:04 PM   #934
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Kevin did our Ranger last year. Very pleased with his work. He’s meticulous
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Kevin did our Ranger as well. Outstanding work but he said at the time my Helmsman was too big. Maybe that has changed.
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Old 10-03-2022, 01:58 PM   #936
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We got a quote from him for our 43. I’ll take him up on it if the stock market stops flushing itself before it arrives…
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I like ceramic coatings and have been DIY on my cars for a couple years and it's been great. Easy to do and holds up well. The only thing I question and caution is comparing a painted surface to gelcoat. Doesn't mean it can't work for both, but it can't be entirely the same on both finishes. Since my hull is painted, I use Awlcare and Awlwash and it works great with little effort. I guess my point is that I'm not sure the results on a car finish directly translate to a gelcoat boat hull. Different finish as well as different environment. Not many dusty roads on the water. Not saying it's not going to work, but also not sure it's a great comparison. Also, once again I have to ask, is nobody painting a Helmsman hull?
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I like ceramic coatings and have been DIY on my cars for a couple years and it's been great. Easy to do and holds up well. The only thing I question and caution is comparing a painted surface to gelcoat. Doesn't mean it can't work for both, but it can't be entirely the same on both finishes. Since my hull is painted, I use Awlcare and Awlwash and it works great with little effort. I guess my point is that I'm not sure the results on a car finish directly translate to a gelcoat boat hull. Different finish as well as different environment. Not many dusty roads on the water. Not saying it's not going to work, but also not sure it's a great comparison. Also, once again I have to ask, is nobody painting a Helmsman hull?
I have spoken to two manufacturers about using their ceramic on gelcoat. They are both adamant that it works great with gelcoat using the same reasoning as the guy in the video. They have offered to put me in touch with some customers.

I have also been discussing the level of satisfaction with a fella who had his older gel coated boat ceramic coated a year ago. He is very happy with it and the lack of maintenance in cleaning it.

I plan to use it on mine, so if anyone comes across some science that says that it wonít work well on gel coat, I, for one, would like to hear about it.
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"I plan to use it on mine, so if anyone comes across some science that says that it won’t work well on gel coat, I, for one, would like to hear about it."

Well, its not the same as what you are looking at, but edges there, so here goes.

Turtle Wax and other auto wax makers now have a slew of products that are sorta ceramic, or perhaps ceramic-lite. I was curious about them over a year ago, as something that would be a durable one-year-plus solution. IE better than wax, but not as permanent as ceramic. I contacted Turtle Wax to ask if their stuff could be used on gelcoat, and their answer was "it isn't formulated for that." Beyond that, I don't know what the issue might be, other than the more open pores in gelcoat compared to paint.

Just passing it on. Your supplier says its good for gelcoat, so that's more definitive.
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Well I wouldn't expect a supplier to say his product won't work for you. Not saying it won't work just saying keep your eyes and mind open
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