Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-01-2022, 12:04 PM   #421
Senior Member
 
Doug_Snider's Avatar
 
City: La Conner
Vessel Name: Alba Bella
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38E (In transit)
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 179
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmsman View Post

For those still looking at electronics, I have heard from two different vendors that prices will go up in 2022. In addition, the Autopilot equipment I ordered two days ago is on back order until late February due to chip shortages. So, I would suggest some lead time on your orders to ensure availability at launch.
Any update on your delivery date? Is your engine installed yet? At least now we can say our boat will be arriving this year. Happy New Year.
Doug_Snider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2022, 07:18 PM   #422
Guru
 
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug_Snider View Post
Any update on your delivery date? Is your engine installed yet? At least now we can say our boat will be arriving this year. Happy New Year.

I received pictures yesterday that showed continued work inside the hull. The engine is not installed yet. A good friend of mine ordered a 43 right after I ordered mine. With the demand lower for a 43, his boat was just pulled from the mold in the last couple of days. I think they are moving along though I havent checked with Scott lately.
Helmsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 08:07 AM   #423
Veteran Member
 
City: Henry Island, WA
Vessel Name: Embark
Vessel Model: 38E Helmsman - #51
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 86
Updates from #51

Thanks to Rick, Doug, and Mr. Helmsman regarding electronics.

Our hull is now in the mold and were getting pics!

We have not made much progress on electronics since we are in backcountry in Nevada/Utah without real internet and now heading to Mexico, but I'm tempted to fly back to the boat show in feb to make final decisions. Not sure what else I would learn other than touch and feel.

Mr. Helmsman -
Vesper Cortex - The concern with Vesper Cortex after reading several resources is the ability to hear other vessels, squelch, ability to scan etc. I get you can download Vesper updates over time, and I like everything that is has to offer, but should we consider a true and proven VHF as backup?
Would it be overkill to add a standard VHF to the package?

Screen size - I dont think I ever saw what size screens will fit, but I dont want to go small. Seems like a big $$ to only get one 1" bigger screen and I though we can get a Garmin 17" and still fit everything. Does anyone know the size limitations at both stations? (assuming standard other stuff (merc engine display etc). Or is this a "it depends on what else" question. I am going with Scott's guy for electronics, maybe I should ask him to lay out the view on paper.

Comments on both are appreciated.

- thanks, Tom
Tom-Jill-Lilly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 09:01 AM   #424
Veteran Member
 
City: Henry Island, WA
Vessel Name: Embark
Vessel Model: 38E Helmsman - #51
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 86
Alternators

I've heard some trawler folks anted up on alternators. Higher output units. I spoke to Gary a while back and he mentioned to speak with cummings after the boat arrives. There is some science behind it with dual alternators, or larger ones and may require a different regulator and/or built in regulator.

The advantage some have said is more charging amps at both lower and higher RPMs and faster charges. We opted out of a gen set, so I think its something to consider.

The alternator on the 6.7L Cummins engine is a stock application 160 AMP but I have no information on charging curves etc.
Tim at Custom Marine Products suggested Balmar Alternator (w/regulator) - he supports Scott on the solar applications.

Has anyone looked into this or any veterans out there that have switched up?

- thanks, Tom
Tom-Jill-Lilly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 09:16 AM   #425
Guru
 
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom-Jill-Lilly View Post
Updates from #51

Thanks to Rick, Doug, and Mr. Helmsman regarding electronics.

Our hull is now in the mold and were getting pics!

We have not made much progress on electronics since we are in backcountry in Nevada/Utah without real internet and now heading to Mexico, but I'm tempted to fly back to the boat show in feb to make final decisions. Not sure what else I would learn other than touch and feel.

Mr. Helmsman -
Vesper Cortex - The concern with Vesper Cortex after reading several resources is the ability to hear other vessels, squelch, ability to scan etc. I get you can download Vesper updates over time, and I like everything that is has to offer, but should we consider a true and proven VHF as backup?
Would it be overkill to add a standard VHF to the package?

Screen size - I dont think I ever saw what size screens will fit, but I dont want to go small. Seems like a big $$ to only get one 1" bigger screen and I though we can get a Garmin 17" and still fit everything. Does anyone know the size limitations at both stations? (assuming standard other stuff (merc engine display etc). Or is this a "it depends on what else" question. I am going with Scott's guy for electronics, maybe I should ask him to lay out the view on paper.

Comments on both are appreciated.

- thanks, Tom
On the Vesper, they are actively working on the squelch issue, and scanning. They just added the ability for a hailer. Certainly one option is to get a regular marine VHF. I thought about that also. My plan for the Vesper is to put the tethered handset at the PH helm in a position that I can view the display. I ordered the wireless handset and two power cradles for it. One cradle will go in the MBR, to ensure that I can hear the anchor alarm, (and bilge alarms) but more importantly, so that anyone asleep in the salon doesn’t hear it. The other cradle will go on the flybridge helm, and will be used there. The cradle will be in a position that allows me to see the screen up top while underway, and of course, will keep the wireless fully charged. If I hadn’t decided to get the wireless, I would have gone with an Icom up top.

Doug Miller told me that he was not having an issue with the squelch. I didn’t ask him about the scanning.

If you go with another radio, you will be able to stay with one antenna by using the antenna out connection on the Vesper.

On the screen size for the helms. A 16” screen will work on both, I think, if the bezel isn’t too large. I plan to put a 16” Furuno TZ3 on the PH helm if it will fit with the AP screen and the Cortex handset. I will put a 12” up top. I will decide which goes where when I arrive at the boat. I have pictures of both helms with a measuring tape that I will post a little later this morning. I want to put the mercruiser (Cummins) screen on the flat area between the helm and the wheel. (I plan to put the engine info on the MFD via a NMEA2000 link. I also plan to have a tablet or laptop available for viewing information. If you do ask your installer the question, I would like to hear what he says about MFD placement.
Helmsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 09:29 AM   #426
Guru
 
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom-Jill-Lilly View Post
I've heard some trawler folks anted up on alternators. Higher output units. I spoke to Gary a while back and he mentioned to speak with cummings after the boat arrives. There is some science behind it with dual alternators, or larger ones and may require a different regulator and/or built in regulator.

The advantage some have said is more charging amps at both lower and higher RPMs and faster charges. We opted out of a gen set, so I think its something to consider.

The alternator on the 6.7L Cummins engine is a stock application 160 AMP but I have no information on charging curves etc.
Tim at Custom Marine Products suggested Balmar Alternator (w/regulator) - he supports Scott on the solar applications.

Has anyone looked into this or any veterans out there that have switched up?

- thanks, Tom
I had asked Scott previously about an external regulator/different alternator. He noted one case in which a previous owner had installed one, and the new owner pulled it due to problems. I ordered four batteries for the house. With 860 amps, and with 50% “useable” I could see a situation where the alternator runs full out during the bulk charge period. That is not the best scenario for an alternator. If I remember correctly, I think Scott said that it has not been an issue that he has been made aware of. (I haven’t studied the specs on the alternator yet, though I plan to).

Having solar panels would help that, and in our east coast boats, the generator will also. I would discuss with Cummins after receipt of the boat, to determine whether that will be a concern, and if so, what options might be available. No one wants to affect their warranty. Certainly it is doable, but the install has to be one in which the entire system is considered, including cable sizes, fuses, temperature sensors, drive belt, etc.

Just some thoughts.
Helmsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 09:40 AM   #427
Guru
 
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 851
By the way, Doug Miller at Milltech has sold the company to a person who previously worked at Vesper. Doug will still be involved for awhile. He is keeping his internet connectivity company. For those of you who don't know him, he is a very knowledgeable and helpful resource. I purchased the Vesper and the Pepwave connectivity equipment from his company after spending some time with him on a call.
Helmsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 10:33 AM   #428
Guru
 
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 851
If I put these images in properly, you will be able to see the measurements of the helms.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_2897.jpg   IMG_2898.jpg   IMG_2900.jpg   IMG_2902.jpg  
Helmsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 06:16 PM   #429
FWT
Guru
 
City: Centreville MD
Vessel Name: Resilient
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawlers 38E
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 1,136
Helmsman, that is helpful

It would appear that is the Simrad NSS Evo3S installed, and its the largest one. The 16 inch. It just fits. The installation template says it needs 17.2 inches in width to accommodate that sun cover, and that appears to be just what that cover in the pic measures.
FWT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 06:20 PM   #430
Senior Member
 
Doug_Snider's Avatar
 
City: La Conner
Vessel Name: Alba Bella
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38E (In transit)
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 179
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom-Jill-Lilly View Post
Updates from #51

Our hull is now in the mold and were getting pics!
We’re excited for you. That’s a big milestone. You’ll be even more excited when you see it out of the mold. We can’t wait to see the deck joined to the hull. It gets more real with every report.
Doug_Snider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 06:59 PM   #431
Guru
 
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug_Snider View Post
We’re excited for you. That’s a big milestone. You’ll be even more excited when you see it out of the mold. We can’t wait to see the deck joined to the hull. It gets more real with every report.
My thoughts exactly, Doug. A friend of mine is having a 43 built, and he shared the same excitement when he started getting pictures of the boat that we all have. It makes it real for sure. It is fun to watch the boat come together. And the pictures will be great to have when adding post sale functionality or addressing an issue. Always helpful to know what is “behind that wall”.
Helmsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 07:14 PM   #432
Veteran Member
 
City: Berkeley
Vessel Name: Knowing Blue
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38E
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmsman View Post
If I put these images in properly, you will be able to see the measurements of the helms.

Quite certain those pics were taken on my boat!
Two Truths is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 09:05 PM   #433
Guru
 
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Two Truths View Post
Quite certain those pics were taken on my boat!
Might have been. I had asked the Helmsman guys for dimensions. If it is, you have a nice setup.

Enjoying your boat? Any advice for us? Do you like the way the boat handles?
Helmsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2022, 11:08 PM   #434
Veteran Member
 
City: Berkeley
Vessel Name: Knowing Blue
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38E
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmsman View Post
Might have been. I had asked the Helmsman guys for dimensions. If it is, you have a nice setup.

Enjoying your boat? Any advice for us? Do you like the way the boat handles?

I love boat. Bought it last March (it was less than 3 years old) and managed to spend a couple of months on it over the spring and summer. (We were planning a winter cruise this past week, but the freezing weather defeated us.) As for electronics, I am a lifelong sailor--this is the first powerboat I have owned (although I have chartered in the past). When in close quarters and docking, I like to be able to quickly see wind speed and direction. I chartered a H38E before deciding to purchase one, and it had the Mercruiser display screen on the flat area in front of the wheel, and a small Simrad display set to anemometer under the autopilot control. (See pic.) I liked that setup, and may get around to adding it to my boat at some point. Of course, you can open a window for the anemometer on the 16” chartplotter, but it is not quite the same as having wind always available in a dedicated display. It is a heavy boat for its size, but the wind can still push it around.
Attached Thumbnails
H28E electronics setup.jpg  
Two Truths is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2022, 12:22 AM   #435
Guru
 
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Two Truths View Post
I love boat. Bought it last March (it was less than 3 years old) and managed to spend a couple of months on it over the spring and summer. (We were planning a winter cruise this past week, but the freezing weather defeated us.) As for electronics, I am a lifelong sailor--this is the first powerboat I have owned (although I have chartered in the past). When in close quarters and docking, I like to be able to quickly see wind speed and direction. I chartered a H38E before deciding to purchase one, and it had the Mercruiser display screen on the flat area in front of the wheel, and a small Simrad display set to anemometer under the autopilot control. (See pic.) I liked that setup, and may get around to adding it to my boat at some point. Of course, you can open a window for the anemometer on the 16” chartplotter, but it is not quite the same as having wind always available in a dedicated display. It is a heavy boat for its size, but the wind can still push it around.
That helm is set up the way I put the helm together on my last boat, that smaller Sinrad display is handy. I had all Raymarine, but the same concept. The last boat was.a 38 foot Carver (21,000 lbs) . A breeze would push it sideways. I am looking forward to the stability of the 38E. Will have to get used to one engine instead of two. The thrusters should help some.
Helmsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2022, 10:40 PM   #436
Veteran Member
 
City: Port Townsend, WA
Vessel Name: Hull No. 56 TBA
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38e
Join Date: Oct 2021
Posts: 62
This surprised me...


Garmin acquires Vesper Marine, a leading provider of marine communication equipment and services
Nancy and Rick is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2022, 11:41 PM   #437
Guru
 
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 851
Interesting news. A company whose model is to be a complete solution for a customer with many modules buys a company whose model is to integrate several modules into one. It will be interesting to see how the two cultures work together. With Garmin’s financial muscle and vespers technology, it could be an acceleration of integration.
Helmsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2022, 03:06 PM   #438
Veteran Member
 
City: Port Townsend, WA
Vessel Name: Hull No. 56 TBA
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38e
Join Date: Oct 2021
Posts: 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmsman View Post
Interesting news. A company whose model is to be a complete solution for a customer with many modules buys a company whose model is to integrate several modules into one. It will be interesting to see how the two cultures work together. With Garmin’s financial muscle and vespers technology, it could be an acceleration of integration.
All good points. I think I will stay optimistic that it will be an improvement in function, integration and support (one can always hope ).

This is just one more reason for me to lean towards Garmin.

On another topic, was the NMEA 2000 training that you attended something that would be beneficial for a user who will not be designing or installing a system?
Nancy and Rick is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2022, 03:27 PM   #439
Guru
 
City: Chattanooga
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawler 38E
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy and Rick View Post
All good points. I think I will stay optimistic that it will be an improvement in function, integration and support (one can always hope ).

This is just one more reason for me to lean towards Garmin.

On another topic, was the NMEA 2000 training that you attended something that would be beneficial for a user who will not be designing or installing a system?
Depends on what you would like to learn.

The training was a set of technical workshops focusing on the rule sets for proper installation of electronics, the networks they are built on, and for problem resolution related to the network, PGN messages (to and from various components) conflicts, and antenna management. Since I took the courses at the annual NMEA conference, there were also various in depth workshops from various vendors, including the big four. I wasn’t able to attend those due to the workshops, but did visit with vendors after the workshops each day.

Unless you are into a pretty detailed analysis of electronics networks, I wouldn’t put the money out. (I spent about $2k for four days and a membership in the NMEA). I am interested, have had some previous experience with installations, and really enjoy learning about it.

Attending seminars at a boat show may acquaint you more with the capabilities of the different systems which vendors have out there.
Helmsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2022, 04:45 PM   #440
Veteran Member
 
City: Port Townsend, WA
Vessel Name: Hull No. 56 TBA
Vessel Model: Helmsman 38e
Join Date: Oct 2021
Posts: 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmsman View Post
Depends on what you would like to learn.
I think that is all way over my head as a user of the electronics

Thanks!
Rick
Nancy and Rick is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Trawler Port Captains
Port Captains are TF volunteers who can serve as local guides or assist with local arrangements and information. Search below to locate Port Captains near your destination. To learn more about this program read here: TF Port Captain Program





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:26 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012