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Old 12-16-2021, 07:33 PM   #361
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So to summarize, Use Case, Boat Environment, Equipment, Tolerance for a changing landscape, Cost, and Antenna management are all issues to consider. The solutions range from your cellular phone all the way to satellite internet (a very expensive solution). All dependent upon your use case.
OK, you have given me my assignment for the next several weeks and I still have to pick out my electronics...and I am very interested in the Vesper Cortex...

Thanks, for giving me a list of places to start!
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Old 12-16-2021, 08:02 PM   #362
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OK, you have given me my assignment for the next several weeks and I still have to pick out my electronics...and I am very interested in the Vesper Cortex...

Thanks, for giving me a list of places to start!
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Yep. Ditto on the Cortex. They added the Hailer and loudspeaker functionality in the last few weeks.
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Old 12-16-2021, 08:41 PM   #363
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For what it's worth, I'm still using the included antennas on my router. I figure I'll add an external one when I feel the need (cost). So far, I haven't seen the Pepwave report less than 3 out of 5 bars of signal, even when I've looked while 6+ miles offshore. Even the included antennas inside the boat (mounted fairly high and not near metal) are significantly better than the antennas on a cell phone.
That is good to hear. Nothing wrong with adding to the system only if necessary. Where do you have your router mounted?
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Old 12-16-2021, 09:04 PM   #364
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That is good to hear. Nothing wrong with adding to the system only if necessary. Where do you have your router mounted?
I've got it mounted in my salon, pretty much in the upper aft stbd corner. Ignore the sideways picture... The antennas are actually pointing up.
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Old 12-16-2021, 09:10 PM   #365
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I've got it mounted in my salon, pretty much in the upper aft stbd corner. Ignore the sideways picture... The antennas are actually pointing up.
Thanks. I was thinking about trying the antennas inside the salon and the router in the salon somewhere out of sight. That is encouraging.
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Old 12-16-2021, 09:11 PM   #366
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More good sites I used.

https://www.technomadia.com/

https://mobilemusthave.com/

https://antennagear.net/
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Old 12-16-2021, 11:30 PM   #367
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A question for the group. Is anyone planning to install or have installed a stereo in your boat? If so, what kind did you install, and where did you place the speakers?
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Old 12-17-2021, 07:09 AM   #368
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A question for the group. Is anyone planning to install or have installed a stereo in your boat? If so, what kind did you install, and where did you place the speakers?
Personally, I am waiting on that. Going to take it a step at a time.

Bluetooth portables have become pretty decent, fed by phone / tablet playlists. I'll pick up one of those to begin.

When I figure out what TV might fit, at the same time I'll figure out if a soundbar can work with it, and fit. A soundbar can also pick up a playlist from phones.

I have not done big research on it, but have seen too many references to issues with Fusion. Enough to be cautious. As for speakers, one thing I will not do is cut big holes in teak for in-wall speakers. If I feel the need for more than the above I may hang some cube or small bookshelf speakers on brackets. And figure out the receiver / amp part.

We are not listeners to radio. So that is one part of the picture that lessens any drive toward built in receivers that contain AM-FM-XM.

Part of this thinking comes from easy access to the overhead runs via the ceiling panels on the Helmsman boats. Its easier to address later as wants and needs are more clear. If we really miss more, we'll just add it.
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I'll just add this.

If you picture what a good room is like for high quality sound, there is nothing about these boats that fit that bill. You cannot sit on the settee and place speakers forward of you, evenly placed left and right. You have a lot of hard walls and glass. Any speakers behind you will be close to you aft, and far from you forward. Its the definition of a bad room for sound.

Therefore, my thinking at the moment is, just don't try! Go small, inexpensive, and easy. No installations that have permanent repercussions.
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Old 12-17-2021, 07:53 AM   #370
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Although we have a stereo installed in our boat, we tend to use a bluetooth speaker most, with music from Pandora on our phones. You not only get the music that you want to hear, but there is no installation and the music is portable to any part of the boat.
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I'll just add this.

If you picture what a good room is like for high quality sound, there is nothing about these boats that fit that bill. You cannot sit on the settee and place speakers forward of you, evenly placed left and right. You have a lot of hard walls and glass. Any speakers behind you will be close to you aft, and far from you forward. Its the definition of a bad room for sound.

Therefore, my thinking at the moment is, just don't try! Go small, inexpensive, and easy. No installations that have permanent repercussions.
I feel the very same. We will use the boat for family get togethers out in an isolated cove when not traveling, and to listen to music while on the hook when traveling, which would be about the only times we would have a need for music outdoors. No way was I planning on cutting holes to provide that music. Bluetooth is what I planned, but wanted to hear back whether I was on point with the thoughts.
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I personally like having a built in stereo, but my boat was built with one from the factory, so I didn't have to cut speaker holes. I'm a pretty different layout, but I've got a pair of speakers in the salon and a pair on the helm / aft deck. Stereo is nothing fancy though, just one of the marinized car stereos (a Kenwood KMR-D372BT in my case) with an external amp and a satellite radio receiver. Works well and makes it not a big deal to have music on.
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Old 12-17-2021, 09:57 AM   #373
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I personally like having a built in stereo, but my boat was built with one from the factory, so I didn't have to cut speaker holes. I'm a pretty different layout, but I've got a pair of speakers in the salon and a pair on the helm / aft deck. Stereo is nothing fancy though, just one of the marinized car stereos (a Kenwood KMR-D372BT in my case) with an external amp and a satellite radio receiver. Works well and makes it not a big deal to have music on.
I had the same on my previous boat. The sound quality was excellent, and is what drove the question. I just don’t think we need the power of a built in, higher amp stereo. Though whatever Bluetooth speaker I buy will need to be capable of playing music loud enough for thirty somethings playing behind the boat on the few occasions we do that.

Anyone planning or using a Sirius XM receiver? For weather, or music?
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I had the same on my previous boat. The sound quality was excellent, and is what drove the question. I just don’t think we need the power of a built in, higher amp stereo. Though whatever Bluetooth speaker I buy will need to be capable of playing music loud enough for thirty somethings playing behind the boat on the few occasions we do that.

Anyone planning or using a Sirius XM receiver? For weather, or music?

I do have SirusXM for music and on the boat, it's great. Realistically, power-wise, my stereo is massive overkill. But the built in setup is simple. Nothing to move, set up, plug in, etc. Want music, just push the power button and it's there. The only time it gets turned up beyond a tiny fraction of its capability is when I'm working on the boat on land, I'm down at ground level and there's nobody else around. Power draw is surprisingly low as well. At normal listening volume, the stereo draws 1 - 1.5 amps total, including the external amp.
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I have Sirius in my car but don't bother with it on the boat. I have a few different bluetooth speakers. Suggest you get one that is waterproof and floatable if you are going to use outside the salon or cabin. At home I have a JBL Xtreme, older model of this link below. I recommend it if you want good sound, high volume, and long battery life such as 30-somethings playing off the back of the boat. I use it working outside on the house or cars, etc. For just the 2 of us on the boat and just want a little background music, a much smaller speaker is fine.

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I have Sirius in my car but don't bother with it on the boat. I have a few different bluetooth speakers. Suggest you get one that is waterproof and floatable if you are going to use outside the salon or cabin. At home I have a JBL Xtreme, older model of this link below. I recommend it if you want good sound, high volume, and long battery life such as 30-somethings playing off the back of the boat. I use it working outside on the house or cars, etc. For just the 2 of us on the boat and just want a little background music, a much smaller speaker is fine.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08NLPX4CW...erz_origin1-20
We have six of them around the house. A BOSE, a SONY, an Harman Kardon and a couple of others. I would rank them this way for sound quality. The SONY, then HK, then BOSE. Thanks for the tip. I will look at the link.
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Just FYI, I find that Bose are way over-rated for speakers. I had them for home theater and they were terrible. The Polks and Boston Acoustics and SVS I have now are better value and much better sound. Bose is a very strong brand and people assume they are great, I imagine it was from some great designs from many decades ago. The one place where Bose excels today is noise-canceling headphones and ear buds. I haven't found any that can match them for noise cancellation and they are great for air travel.
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Just FYI, I find that Bose are way over-rated for speakers. I had them for home theater and they were terrible. The Polks and Boston Acoustics and SVS I have now are better value and much better sound. Bose is a very strong brand and people assume they are great, I imagine it was from some great designs from many decades ago. The one place where Bose excels today is noise-canceling headphones and ear buds. I haven't found any that can match them for noise cancellation and they are great for air travel.
I have found the same with the BOSE. The first BT I ordered ended up with failed BT after about two years. The second has a battery issue so we keep it plugged up all the time which lessens it’s usage. Sound was pretty good on both.
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Hey, would one of you "build in progress" folks please help me resolve my question about what is between the forward port side wall of the pilothouse and the aft wall of the forward head? There is some space between those surfaces as both sound hollow (especially the wall in the head), but no way to know how much space.

Even more important than how much space is between those walls is how do you access it? I want to mount a towel bar in the head, but need to access the inner space to secure the nuts on the towel bar studs.

My guess/hope/suspicion is that there is access behind the mirror that seems to be standard in all Mariner 37/Helmsman 38 versions. I get that Scott does not want to share photos that may reveal trade secrets, but can one of you help me answer that question without cutting into my boat?
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Hey, would one of you "build in progress" folks please help me resolve my question about what is between the forward port side wall of the pilothouse and the aft wall of the forward head? There is some space between those surfaces as both sound hollow (especially the wall in the head), but no way to know how much space.

Even more important than how much space is between those walls is how do you access it? I want to mount a towel bar in the head, but need to access the inner space to secure the nuts on the towel bar studs.

My guess/hope/suspicion is that there is access behind the mirror that seems to be standard in all Mariner 37/Helmsman 38 versions. I get that Scott does not want to share photos that may reveal trade secrets, but can one of you help me answer that question without cutting into my boat?
Don't know, and can't know with no boat yet to check out myself, but here's a few ideas:

1) Contact Scott. He's very approachable, knowledgeable, and helpful.

2) Remove the headliner in the stateroom just forward of the head doorway. Peer in, looking aft and see what you can see. Get one of those snakes with a camera at the end and see what that tells you.

3) Is there any vision UP the wall cavity from below, in the engine room?

4) There is a drawer under the chart table to port of stateroom companionway. Can you remove the drawer and see if the area behind it yields any clues?

5) There is an overhead light in the head. Can you remove that, and use the snake camera to look aft? The wiring for that was run from somewhere, does that path create clues?
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