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Old 11-19-2021, 07:47 AM   #301
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Helmsman - what stage is your boat in now?
Thanks for the question Tom. The boat is out of the molds, and some of the interior is being installed. The hull and deck are still separate. Engine is not in yet.

The last couple of weeks, I have been working on the final electronics order. I have already ordered a 16” and 12” Furuno TZ3, SCX20, and NXT Dome radar. Autopilot is next, and then a Vesper Cortex.

I am trying to decide between NMEA2000 Maretron cables, and Actisense. I do want metal connections, as they are more reliable for the long haul.

The National Marine Electronics Association has settled on a new standard called OneNet, which will augment and probably eventually replace NMEA2000 and 0183 systems. What that means for all of us is that the hardware we have will have limited upgrade capability in the future, at least in regards to using OneNet.

I don’t see that as a major issue because it will take time for OneNet hardware to roll out. Support will continue for NMEA2000 due to the massive commercial shipping infrastructure (which is far more heavily invested in 0183).

I will wrap up the electronics in December/January with the type of Local Area Network I want to set up on the boat. I am leaning heavily towards Peplink hardware. And, camera structure. I want a backup camera that will also serve as a security camera, and a couple of engine room cameras.

One question I have yet to resolve is whether to go with a spotlight on the front, or go with an infrared camera. The infrareds are pricey, so I want to make sure they would truly serve the purpose before going with one.

Would like opinions on spot lights versus infrareds from folks reading the posts. Actually on any of the above path forward.
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Old 11-19-2021, 05:34 PM   #302
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...and then a Vesper Cortex.
I am wanting Cortex for our VHF/AIS/Vessel Monitoring solution too. I am trying to find as much information about the system as I can right now.

As for the rest of the system??? Garmin, Furuno, Simrad...don't know yet

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Old 11-19-2021, 05:56 PM   #303
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If you go with Garmin, I believe their 17" chartplotter display fits on the H38E dash. (I saw one on a 2017 H38E that was for sale a year ago.) Expensive, but it makes good use of the available space on the dash.
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Old 11-19-2021, 09:24 PM   #304
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I am wanting Cortex for our VHF/AIS/Vessel Monitoring solution too. I am trying to find as much information about the system as I can right now.

As for the rest of the system??? Garmin, Furuno, Simrad...don't know yet

Rick
One thing to consider on the Cortex. The system uses the same antenna for both VHF and AIS. In order to get the best possible performance, you will need to get an antenna that is tuned to 159 mhz. VHF is best at 156 mhz and AIS is best at 162 mhz. Vesper sells their own 159 mhz. I believe it was on the SeaBits site that another was tried and found to work well.

https://www.milltechmarine.com/Vespe...nna_p_284.html

https://www.milltechmarine.com/Morad...ain_p_477.html

Both represent a compromise, but is the only way to receive on a Cortex. Not a deal breaker for me as a River and coastal cruiser, with a Bahamas trip or two in the future. Might be a different consideration with trips further off shore, or perhaps longer range radio areas.
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Old 11-19-2021, 09:27 PM   #305
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If you go with Garmin, I believe their 17" chartplotter display fits on the H38E dash. (I saw one on a 2017 H38E that was for sale a year ago.) Expensive, but it makes good use of the available space on the dash.
I saw that, also. That set up looked sharp.
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Old 11-19-2021, 09:39 PM   #306
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Here is a pretty good discussion on the brands.

https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/...ml#post1053520

If you donít have time to read through it all, read page 7.
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One thing to consider on the Cortex. The system uses the same antenna for both VHF and AIS. In order to get the best possible performance, you will need to get an antenna that is tuned to 159 mhz. VHF is best at 156 mhz and AIS is best at 162 mhz. Vesper sells their own 159 mhz. I believe it was on the SeaBits site that another was tried and found to work well.

https://www.milltechmarine.com/Vespe...nna_p_284.html

https://www.milltechmarine.com/Morad...ain_p_477.html

Both represent a compromise, but is the only way to receive on a Cortex. Not a deal breaker for me as a River and coastal cruiser, with a Bahamas trip or two in the future. Might be a different consideration with trips further off shore, or perhaps longer range radio areas.
Has Vesper solved the squelch issue many were complaining about?
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Old 11-20-2021, 07:43 AM   #308
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Has Vesper solved the squelch issue many were complaining about?
Currently, the VHF provides three “levels” of squelch, as opposed to a “dial” that allows you to set the squelch across a range. The three levels of squelch are not sufficient to eliminate squelch issues. The last time I looked they are working on it, along with channel scanning, and a couple of other issues.

Since software updates can solve the issues, they expect that it will be fixed fairly quickly. They have been pretty aggressive about getting known issues fixed. Some of this is to be expected, I guess, since it is a new technology for VHF radios. SeaBits, Panbo, and Milltech Marine all offer write ups.
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...I will wrap up the electronics in December/January with the type of Local Area Network I want to set up on the boat. I am leaning heavily towards Peplink hardware...
Interested in what you decide here too! I have been looking at the Pepwave MAX BR1 Pro 5g router:

https://www.peplink.com/products/max-br1-pro-5g/

For an antenna the Mobility 42G antenna:

https://www.peplink.com/products/mob...ntenna-series/

Both are pricey and as usual I am having a hard time finding enough documentation about them to completely wrap my head around how well they will work for me. I will continue doing searches and reading, I have plenty of time

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If you go with Garmin, I believe their 17" chartplotter display fits on the H38E dash. (I saw one on a 2017 H38E that was for sale a year ago.) Expensive, but it makes good use of the available space on the dash.
I love the look of the GPSMAPģ 8617 MFD but I understand it needs several other components in order to match the functionality of the 8616.

I guess I need to look it up and read about it.

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Old 11-24-2021, 03:43 PM   #311
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Interested in what you decide here too! I have been looking at the Pepwave MAX BR1 Pro 5g router:

https://www.peplink.com/products/max-br1-pro-5g/

For an antenna the Mobility 42G antenna:

https://www.peplink.com/products/mob...ntenna-series/

Both are pricey and as usual I am having a hard time finding enough documentation about them to completely wrap my head around how well they will work for me. I will continue doing searches and reading, I have plenty of time

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Rick, Is the 5g compatible with 4g? The concern is reception outside of the main population centers. A hard call to make for sure.
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Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! There is certainly much to be thankful for.
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Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! There is certainly much to be thankful for.
Yes indeed! . Have a fabulous Thanksgiving everyone!
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Yes indeed! . Have a fabulous Thanksgiving everyone!
Happy Thanksgiving to all the new Helmsman friends we are making on this forum.
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Old 11-24-2021, 05:10 PM   #315
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Rick, Is the 5g compatible with 4g? The concern is reception outside of the main population centers. A hard call to make for sure.

Yes, any of the current 5G equipment also works on current 4G LTE networks.
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Yes, any of the current 5G equipment also works on current 4G LTE networks.
Thanks! I havenít checked into it and thought I had read differently. That is really good to hear.
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Interested in what you decide here too! I have been looking at the Pepwave MAX BR1 Pro 5g router:

https://www.peplink.com/products/max-br1-pro-5g/

For an antenna the Mobility 42G antenna:

https://www.peplink.com/products/mob...ntenna-series/

Both are pricey and as usual I am having a hard time finding enough documentation about them to completely wrap my head around how well they will work for me. I will continue doing searches and reading, I have plenty of time

Rick
https://support.mobilemusthave.com/s...uld-i-upgrade-

This article is a little dated but also has been added to. It does a pretty good job of describing the BR1 5G. The more I look at these modem/routers, the more I think it would be wisest to wait until very close to delivery for them. The market is changing so rapidly, and what is marketed as 5G is not what was projected to be available due to the high frequency necessary to increase bandwidth and speed. So, what is being sold as 5G is really just improved 4G/LTE. In some cases, much improved.

The antenna you are looking at is the one I landed on a few months ago, but I don’t think I will put a hole in the boat for it. Again, the technology there is also changing. So, I may just set it up to be taken down at some point.

Another review.

https://www.rvmobileinternet.com/new...-in-1-antenna/
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Old 11-25-2021, 12:22 PM   #318
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Interested in what you decide here too! I have been looking at the Pepwave MAX BR1 Pro 5g router:

https://www.peplink.com/products/max-br1-pro-5g/

For an antenna the Mobility 42G antenna:

https://www.peplink.com/products/mob...ntenna-series/

Both are pricey and as usual I am having a hard time finding enough documentation about them to completely wrap my head around how well they will work for me. I will continue doing searches and reading, I have plenty of time

Rick
I think those choices would be superb. And are the latest technology. Importantly it has channel 71 which is tmobiles latest longer distance cell phone channel. It supports Wi-Fi 6 for using in your cabin. And both 2.5 and 5 ghz for marina Wi-Fi (wifi as wan). And the internal architecture is faster than previous products in this series.

Antenna is good too. I prefer the peplink Maritime 40g stick antenna over the puck one.

You will want an access point for boat wifi too (wifi as lan).

Call Doug who provides peplink for maritime use (and buy through him to support him). Or just read his website.

https://www.milltechmarine.com/Pepli...fg_44-0-1.html

The only guesrion is whether to go with two cellular radios but that gets more expensive and the gear isn’t quite as updated yet. The two channel one that is as good as what you picked is the max mini and that’s $7,000! It’s more feature rich but with features you don’t need. And doesn’t have wifi6 just 5.

Waiting till close to delivery is great advice though (with the warning that product is hard to get sometimes). What you have identified though has all just been updated and released very recently.
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I think those choices would be superb. And are the latest technology. Importantly it has channel 71 which is tmobiles latest longer distance cell phone channel. It supports Wi-Fi 6 for using in your cabin. And both 2.5 and 5 ghz for marina Wi-Fi (wifi as wan). And the internal architecture is faster than previous products in this series.

Antenna is good too. I prefer the peplink Maritime 40g stick antenna over the puck one.

You will want an access point for boat wifi too (wifi as lan).

Call Doug who provides peplink for maritime use (and buy through him to support him). Or just read his website.

https://www.milltechmarine.com/Pepli...fg_44-0-1.html

The only guesrion is whether to go with two cellular radios but that gets more expensive and the gear isnít quite as updated yet. The two channel one that is as good as what you picked is the max mini and thatís $7,000! Itís more feature rich but with features you donít need. And doesnít have wifi6 just 5.

Waiting till close to delivery is great advice though (with the warning that product is hard to get sometimes). What you have identified though has all just been updated and released very recently.
I think I may use Eeroís for the wireless access point, which I use at home. I will need to call them to ensure that I wonít have issues on the boat. Have to study that a little more.
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I think I may use Eero’s for the wireless access point, which I use at home. I will need to call them to ensure that I won’t have issues on the boat. Have to study that a little more.
Peplink has a “rugged” version. Nice to have manufacturer consistency to control all from one dashboard too. 12v as well.
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