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Old 10-14-2017, 11:27 AM   #101
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Carriage Guy, I look forward to more of your boat pictures. A bladder for FW? Unusual, but acceptable and if it leaks... easier to replace than a tank.
Air cooled generator? Where will it be mounted?
11 boats ordered? He is having a profitable show. Good for his company.
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Old 10-14-2017, 05:20 PM   #102
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Eric Kraft has been posting a series of pics to a dropbox site for the past 2 weeks showing their final boat prep activity for the show. The site has a bunch of loose pics from the very first day, intermingled with dated folders containing another couple of weeks of pics. Kudos to them for showing the real "sausage making" process.

I noticed he has also added the latest folder for Annapolis day 1. I've got no pics from the show better than what is already in one of these folders, his lighting and lack of crowds is superior. Here is the link to their dropbox site if you have not seen it yet:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c2pmc4bz0...k1_Mdz5ya?dl=0

I talked to one of the Great Harbor folks about a few of the drop box pictures showing the launching the boat on a ramp and how far the stern submerges before the boat floats free, maybe 6"? It looked to me that the power heads come close to getting wet. The GH guy mentioned the cockpit would probably always get wet during launching. I'd like to see some launch photos showing the stern just before lifting free on steep/medium/shallow ramps.

I was told the generator will be in one of the laz storage areas with air vents located on the transom. The one vent on the stern of the current show boat looked to be the bilge blower. I'm interested to see how they handle the air flow/heat dissipation when installing the Honda. I've read some other blogs about folks trying to enclose a Honda 2000 without success due to heat buildup, even when moving air in/out through the laz with large muffin fans. In that case with the Honda 2k, the generator would cut off after about 30 minutes due to overheating.

I think I heard they "had 11 boats on order", which may also include the early delivery orders or orders on hand before the show. Sometimes hard to disentangle the boat show sales talk. Either way, still a good start.
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I was told the generator will be in one of the laz storage areas with air vents located on the transom. The one vent on the stern of the current show boat looked to be the bilge blower. I'm interested to see how they handle the air flow/heat dissipation when installing the Honda. I've read some other blogs about folks trying to enclose a Honda 2000 without success due to heat buildup, even when moving air in/out through the laz with large muffin fans. In that case with the Honda 2k, the generator would cut off after about 30 minutes due to overheating.
Is the Honda generator a marine unit approved for below deck installations? It's been decades since I worked on a gas motor below deck. Isn't there a requirement for some sort of flame arrestor on the air intake of gasoline engines below deck?

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Old 10-14-2017, 06:51 PM   #104
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Is the Honda generator a marine unit approved for below deck installations? It's been decades since I worked on a gas motor below deck. Isn't there a requirement for some sort of flame arrestor on the air intake of gasoline engines below deck?

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It'll certainly be interesting to see how they rig this. I believe it's a Honda eu3000is with remote start capability.

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Old 10-14-2017, 09:05 PM   #105
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Darrell,

Maybe next year or if you venture north to SE CT. Going to visit my niece in DC tomorrow and back to CT Monday.

Enjoy the show, the TT 35 is an interesting boat.

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It'll certainly be interesting to see how they rig this. I believe it's a Honda eu3000is with remote start capability.

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That Honda gen looks like a nice back up power source for home use. They have a 2kw unit that list for around $1,100. Never had one, but with a transfer switch installed on the main panel, it could power key home items by load shedding non essentials. Excuse the thread drift...back to the usual programming.
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I have one of those 2000's, Fletch. It's great aboard for 13.3A 120V AC/1600W continuous. It's not enough to start a typical RV AC unit without a soft start capacitor installed on the AC unit. (Don't know why they all don't use them!!) It does provide great power for my high draw items like battery charging and electric skillet cooking OR Keurig coffee OR occasional hot water needs. I get tired of climbing to the FB everytime I want to start or stop it.

The 3000 is 23A/2800W continuous but is still a bit small for home use. It would make a great generator for my boat to run those items simultaneously, for the most part. Electric remote start would be great. I'd mount it semi-permanently on the FB for ease of access, venting and refueling. It's where I keep my gasoline for the OB and gen anyway...
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Old 10-14-2017, 10:18 PM   #108
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I wonder if Ranger Tugs are worried about the TT35 ? The Ranger 31 is 35 feet long with a 10 foot beam and listed at $299k( w/ LOTS of standard equip. ). It seems like these boats will be head to head competitors. The Ranger doesn't have the outboard, but Ranger has recently started offering outboards and their 27 has outboard power. Will Ranger add the outboard option to their larger boats ? Will GH offer a smaller version once the 35 production hits its stride ? This will be interesting to watch play out from a business/marketing perspective, assuming the economy doesn't implode.
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I wonder if Ranger Tugs are worried about the TT35 ? The Ranger 31 is 35 feet long with a 10 foot beam and listed at $299k( w/ LOTS of standard equip. ). It seems like these boats will be head to head competitors. The Ranger doesn't have the outboard, but Ranger has recently started offering outboards and their 27 has outboard power. Will Ranger add the outboard option to their larger boats ? Will GH offer a smaller version once the 35 production hits its stride ? This will be interesting to watch play out from a business/marketing perspective, assuming the economy doesn't implode.
I doubt Ranger Tugs is worried. They have a cult following of loyal customers with many who buy and then up size. From what I have seen, Great Harbour will need to refine the 35 to compete with the Ranger Tugs. It will be interesting to see what changes to the 35 are made as cruisers start using it.

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I doubt Ranger Tugs is worried. They have a cult following of loyal customers with many who buy and then up size. From what I have seen, Great Harbour will need to refine the 35 to compete with the Ranger Tugs. It will be interesting to see what changes to the 35 are made as cruisers start using it.

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I agree, RT and GH will appeal to two different markets. I think we will see some changes in the GH as its customers send back comments.
Personally, I would not take a boat to a show, all white. It needs some color.
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First time I looked at the RT31 aka 27. Based upon the pics, (wide angle), RT has nailed it. They have put almost everything one could possible want inside and outside of that boat.
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I think since they both are aiming at the trailerable "trawler" market, and since there are so few options in that category, they will be going after many of the same customers. Granted the only real overlap is the largest Rangers and the Smallest GH's, but I could see people intrigued by the TT35, and then settling for a R-27 or R-29 to save a few bucks, or the R-31 because of the wait time for the TT35
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All boats are trailerable, some need bigger trailers and an escort car.
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You do have to wonder how trailerable something that big really is. Boat and tow rig has to be 65-70ft long and you need permits in every state. It's a big thing, to tow it comfortably you'd want a full size diesel truck.
I'd think of it as more of a boat you could put on a trailer and store somewhere cheap for the off season.
Another thing. TT is a dumb name, it's not a trawler and it's not practically trailerable.
Saying that, I'm not crazy about the styling but I like the concept. If I was looking for a coastal cruiser I'd certainly (eagerly) look at one.
Another thing, in the PNW we don't need AC, I could see finding a place for a little diesel tank to run my diesel hot air heater. For those in areas that need AC I can't see running a Honda generator so you can run your AC as a practical solution. You and your neighbors would quickly get tired of the noise.
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Old 10-15-2017, 12:43 PM   #117
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Sean9c, I rather think of thee TT35 as a "developing design". A year, maybe 2 years from now, with customer feed back, the equipment and placement may be totally different.
The TT and the GH are two totally different boats and appeal to two totally different markets.
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You do have to wonder how trailerable something that big really is. Boat and tow rig has to be 65-70ft long and you need permits in every state. It's a big thing, to tow it comfortably you'd want a full size diesel truck.
Our diesel RAM is only rated for 6900 lbs. Would probably need to move up to a 3/4 ton to comfortably tow it. I would not try it but rather hire a boat hauler to do it.

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Another thing. TT is a dumb name, it's not a trawler and it's not practically trailerable.
Doesn't the first T stand for transportable and not trailerable? At any rate, using TT is just good marketing and not much more.

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Saying that, I'm not crazy about the styling but I like the concept. If I was looking for a coastal cruiser I'd certainly (eagerly) look at one.
Another thing, in the PNW we don't need AC, I could see finding a place for a little diesel tank to run my diesel hot air heater. For those in areas that need AC I can't see running a Honda generator so you can run your AC as a practical solution. You and your neighbors would quickly get tired of the noise.
Seems like this boat is much better suited for the northern climates than the SE. Would really like to see some data that a 15000 BTU RV AC system can keep it cool in the summer in FL. Have heard the Honda gennys are quiet so noise might not be an issue.
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Not sure about production schedules but I think the most clear competitor for the TT 35 is the Seapiper 36. When I contacted the owner of Seapiper I think he said the first 5 boats are contracted.
The obvious differences are many, inboard vs outboards, design philosophy of coarse...They both are using the trailerable hook as a part of the marketing....
I see the Ranger Tug as a different kind of boat, they definataly have a good following, with a good record of customer service.
I would like to know the percentage of people that own Trailerable boats over 30' that actually trailer them themselves...seems like a big PITA..
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