SPLASH! TT35 Hull #1 - Page 5

johnrupp · 05-19-2019, 06:05 AM

Looks great, table looks better with the rounded corners.

John

Donsan · 05-19-2019, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cardude01

Another nice improvement! After all this experience, you two should go into the boat building business.

+1

OldDan1943 · 06-28-2019, 01:15 PM

I can only guess that you will never be asked for an endorsement of the TT35.

Woodland Hills · 06-28-2019, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943

I can only guess that you will never be asked for an endorsement of the TT35.

No, but they could be expert witnesses in any future legal actions.........

cardude01 · 06-28-2019, 05:14 PM

Probably not enough numerosity for a class action. Need at least 40 to make it viable I think.

The fact that these folks had arbitration clauses in their contracts makes me think they have been sued before.

(But I’m not a lawyer).

Benthic2 · 06-28-2019, 06:10 PM

I thought if a contract is broken.....all parts of it are broken. So if the boat doesn't get delivered, the arbitration requirement is no longer in effect, and they could be sued outright.

Carl Martin · 06-28-2019, 09:33 PM

Having corresponded with Pea I think that, though the journey has been painful, they are really happy with the boat they ended up with which is no small thing. Kind of like going to a crappy dentist & then going to a good one to get fixed what the first one screwed up.

BandB · 06-29-2019, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Martin

Having corresponded with Pea I think that, though the journey has been painful, they are really happy with the boat they ended up with which is no small thing. Kind of like going to a crappy dentist & then going to a good one to get fixed what the first one screwed up.

Good analogy. I think the Trom's decided to let him "extort" them but move on and forward for their own happiness, getting the work done so they ended up with a boat they like and can enjoy. Very difficult to do. You want to fight and win, but that can't happen. You want to be stubborn, but that can't help you. Your sense of right and wrong says not to give in, but a sense of personal health says to take the hit, cut your losses and find another way.

Sometimes you're in situations with no good answer. The best you can do is find what is best for you. I've seen people "stand on principle" and go years before there's a resolution and lose lots of money just on the litigation. I admire how they handled it.

Oh and for those who think arbitration is a less expensive route, initially it was, but now it is quite expensive as well. Then depending on the state and contract it still might not be over.

Carl Martin · 06-29-2019, 09:16 AM

While this story serves as a caveat to anyone doing business with this builder, or any boat builder for that matter, I think what would be most interesting at this point is an in depth review of the boat and how it performs.

Island Bound · 06-29-2019, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Martin

I think what would be most interesting at this point is an in depth review of the boat and how it performs.

I would have to agree with that sentiment. There were several articles written about the TT35 by various boating magazines long before Mirage had delivered the first hull. To date, I have not seen one actual review in any boating periodical, whether print or an online format.

Woodland Hills · 06-29-2019, 10:08 AM

What boating magazine would risk a review of this boat? The owners of Mirage are apparently somewhat scammy in addition to being well lawyered up, how do you think they would respond to an Honest and Accurate review/test of their boat? I have read all that I can find on Mirage and they sure do not seem to take criticism well.

As an aside and in reinforcement of my point: look how long the other thread about Mirage stayed up........ Somebody’s scared of retaliation.

OldDan1943 · 06-29-2019, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodland Hills

What boating magazine would risk a review of this boat? The owners of Mirage are apparently somewhat scammy in addition to being well lawyered up, how do you think they would respond to an Honest and Accurate review/test of their boat? I have read all that I can find on Mirage and they sure do not seem to take criticism well.

As an aside and in reinforcement of my point: look how long the other thread about Mirage stayed up........ Somebody’s scared of retaliation.

Folks, so many times those reviews are written by builder or close personal friends.

Joe Pica · 06-29-2019, 10:24 AM

Has the "...beware Mirage,..." post been taken down? I can not find today.
I am curious to see an evaluation of the boat's handling characteristics especially in a following quartering sea with that flat bottom, light weight and square flat transom.
this was an inhouse design. Lou Codega the noted WEBB institute Naval Architect and MIT masters degree holder and PE Naval Engineer who designed the Mirage Full displacement Trawler's hulls is no longer associated with Mirage and had nothing to do with the TT-35 design. Lou is noted for his expertise in hull design and seaway performance. His displacement Trawler's perform excellent in following seas and exhibute great stability via their commercial hull form. A lot like a Tug/Tow. It would have been a dollar wise to include his expertise in the upfront design of the TT-35. But he doesn't work for charity. Of course design is one thing and execution is another.

Donsan · 06-29-2019, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Pica

Has the "...beware Mirage,..." post been taken down? I can not find today.
I am curious to see an evaluation of the boat's handling characteristics especially in a following quartering sea with that flat bottom, light weight and square flat transom.
this was an inhouse design. Lou Codega the noted WEBB institute Naval Architect and MIT masters degree holder and PE Naval Engineer who designed the Mirage Full displacement Trawler's hulls is no longer associated with Mirage and had nothing to do with the TT-35 design. Lou is noted for his expertise in hull design and seaway performance. His displacement Trawler's perform excellent in following seas and exhibute great stability via their commercial hull form. A lot like a Tug/Tow. It would have been a dollar wise to include his expertise in the upfront design of the TT-35. But he doesn't work for charity. Of course design is one thing and execution is another.

Yep. Really not surprised. It was the first post by the OP and it would not be surprising if the same content was posted on other sites with similar results.

I agree on the Naval Architect comment but can't help but wonder why they still claim all their Great Harbour trawlers are designed by Lou Codega. https://www.greatharbourtrawlers.com...architect.html

danderer · 06-29-2019, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Pica

Has the "...beware Mirage,..." post been taken down?

If so that is a shame. That was very useful information for those who might be considering dealing with the company (or any boat builder) in the future.

OldDan1943 · 06-29-2019, 03:39 PM

Hmmm, no longer are they making the Great Harbor?

JLD · 06-29-2019, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Martin

I think what would be most interesting at this point is an in depth review of the boat and how it performs.

I think there could actually be two different reviews. One being "as delivered" by the factory with what many of us would be opine are flaws. The second, would be Pea & Dan's boat after their modifications. I would suspect the first would not be so great, but the second would have some very good reviews.

It's a shame that the did not build just ONE boat and make the modifications that Pea & Dan have made to their boat. Then, incorporate the changes into successive builds. My opinion is they would have ended up with both an excellent boat and a much better reputation.

Jim

BandB · 06-29-2019, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodland Hills

As an aside and in reinforcement of my point: look how long the other thread about Mirage stayed up........ Somebody’s scared of retaliation.

Sadly, I went to great lengths in that thread to post some general advice and warnings on builders and selection of them. Also, that once you make a mistake, there is not a good way out.

Plane Nauti · 06-29-2019, 06:28 PM

BandB,

Your post may have them thinking about possibly making their situation worse. May get more info after their debacle is over.

K

Miz Trom · 06-29-2019, 06:40 PM

Some could construe this thread as indeed a "Beware Mirage/Great Harbour" thread. Sorry to see that another TT35 owner deleted their post.

We are glad we took the path we took, as BandB noted, for mental health reasons. We've spent over $50k to have the boat brought up to ABYC standards and to have the awash cockpit fixed, etc. That's a heck of a lot less expensive than suing the builder, and took much less time.

We had the boat trailered up to Lake Hartwell for June, and had a freakin' blast! Houseboaters are a unique crowd.

We are now on the Tennessee River, chuckling at the folks at the marina who think it is too hot. Back home in St. Petersburg it is 15 degrees hotter with gobs more humidity.

Yes, we adore our boat. Can't imagine one without a flybridge, though, just for the eyes-to-water observation. Saved my bacon yesterday when I misread the cans. Threw the motors in reverse when I saw what looked like a shoal; in later discussions with a local I found out it was an old underwater brick house that has caused several sinkings.

We only did 5 trips around the Tampa Bay area before we left, and twice had mild following seas (incoming tide with 7-8 mph winds) that were no problem. Absolutely no difference in handling with 1-2 ft following seas with short period. Don't plan to ever be in big following seas.

With a loaded boat, at her low cruising speed of 6.5 mph (slight wake), we get 1.5 gph.

Jump up to a higher cruising speed of 9.2 mph (small wake) and it's 2.4 gph.

After that, the gas consumption and the wake goes up exponentially to full throttle: at top speed of 17 mph (5200-5250 rpm's) we are consuming 9.9 gph. These figures are the total gas consumption for BOTH engines.

However, even with the gas tanks nearly empty, she just won't plane. (Those photos on the GH website of our boat planing were taken before she had any interior goods, anchor, etc installed, which brought her weight up to 12,000 lbs.) We are thinking of having trim tabs installed before our trip across the Gulf.

See you on the water....

Cheers,
Mrs. Trombley