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Old 03-06-2018, 04:47 PM   #61
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Has GH acknowledged the blown delivery dates in any way ? Have they offered any explanation as to what's going on ?

If its a money issue, I would think getting boats out the door would generate cash. If it doesn't generate enough cash because they can't build them for less than they can sell them for, that's a really bad sign, and may mean we'll never see hull #5.
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I have been watching the progress of TheSeapiper, another trailerable Trawler type vessel. At times the progress on the SP seemed painfully slow. Finally Hull #1 was delivered and it looks like it will be a success. Similarly the progress on the TT appears to be moving very slow. What I take away from this is that when designing and introducing a new boat the process is painstakingly slow, for any number of reasons.

Until we hear from the company or and unhappy owner, I think we should just wish all involved well, and keep looking forward to seeing these boats hit the water. There is no real reason to assume anything else...Schedules are loose at best when brave entrepreneurs take on new challenges...
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From the "Sea Piper" web site -

"GENERAL INFORMATION

CONSTRUCTION

We are currently building the first five SeaPiper 35 vessels (SeaPiper #1 thru #5). These are all sold.
After the initial five vessels are delivered to their new owners, we will start our continuing production of SeaPiper 35 trawlers.
At this time SeaPiper #6 thru #10 have also been sold and that means that the next available SeaPiper build will be hull #11."


Looks like they've managed to develop a backlog, coming out of the blocks, so to speak....
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MJM is sure proud of their 35Z. 212k higher than the Jeannaeu, 412k higher than Ranger.
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I am interested in the answers to these questions assuming that avoiding the quibble is possible....

"Still no boat test and still only one boat produced so the whole bit about the first four looking good seems sort of week now 7-8 months later while only one delivered and he still working issues out on his"



Does anyone know what is up with the TT35's? Are they worked out and does anyone have a decent boat test for them?

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If you have interest in the TT35, call Mirage in Gainesville Fla.

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Old 03-07-2018, 02:21 AM   #66
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There is a significant difference between Sea Piper and the TT35. Sea Piper is a brand new company and this is their first boat. I am a lot more willing to cut them some slack as a result. Great Harbour has been building boats for a while. They should not have had any surprises to deal with. GH is not a "brave entrepreneur taking on a new challenge"....they are an ongoing boat manufacturer who should be worried about alienating their entire customer base. When they make statements that aren't true, it gives people a reason to question all the statements they have made. The TT35 is not an isolated project that lives or dies on its own. It is the latest testament to GH's ability to make boats well, and maintain their credibility in the market. If they don't know what they are doing with the TT35, maybe the other boats aren't made as well as people thought. If their statement that "this boat will be out in the spring" isn't true....how can you believe the other statements they have made ? Maybe you don't really have solid fiberglass here....or encapsulated stringers there. This is a HUGE HUGE problem for them that is going to undermine their sales of new boats, and diminish the re-sale of used boats.

Problem management and reaction is a very difficult concept. Consider two companies with a product problem. Ford made the Explorer, and they were the number one selling vehicle for a number of years. It was the proverbial cash cow for them. Then they started rolling over on the highway and killing people. Ford said....its not our fault...its Bridgestone......so Bridgestone says...its not our fault...its Ford.....and people keep dying. The end result was they had to stop making one of the best selling vehicles since the Model T!!

This is probably before a lot of the TF'ers time...but its true.....Some sicko started poisioning tylenol tablets with cyanide. Tylenol was the #1 pain reliever at the time. They issued statements saying they were not sure what was happening. They told people to NOT purchase their product until they could figure out the problem. They enacted new sealing procedures for their product to prevent tampering. Eventually they solved the problem, and Tylenol retained thier top spot in the pain killer market.

Ford hid from the problem and the Explorer died....J&J dealt with the problem and kept their position as the number one pain reliever.

Which path is GH going to take ?
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... The end result was they had to stop making one of the best selling vehicles since the Model T!! ....
There was a decline in Explorer production from 2005 to 2009, Production started picking up from 2010. It would appear that a no time did Ford stop making the Explorer.

According to NHTSA the Explorer is no more prone to rollovers than other SUV's.

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Some have argued that poor driver reaction to tire blowout was a contributing factor.[63] When a tire blew, the vehicle would experience a sudden sharp jerk, and many drivers reacted by counter-steering in an attempt to regain control. This action would cause a shift of the vehicle's weight, resulting in a rollover especially at higher speeds (many reports of rollovers were of vehicles being driven at speeds of 70 mph (110 km/h) and above). In a test simulating dozens of tire blowouts, Larry Webster, a test-driver for Car & Driver magazine, was repeatedly able to bring a 1994 Explorer to a stop without incident from speeds of 70 mph (110 km/h).[63][64] According to Forbes magazine, car experts and NHTSA claim that the vast majority of crash accidents and deaths are caused not by the vehicle, but by the driver, by road conditions or some combination of the two.
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There is a significant difference between Sea Piper and the TT35. Sea Piper is a brand new company and this is their first boat. I am a lot more willing to cut them some slack as a result. Great Harbour has been building boats for a while. They should not have had any surprises to deal with. GH is not a "brave entrepreneur taking on a new challenge"....they are an ongoing boat manufacturer who should be worried about alienating their entire customer base. When they make statements that aren't true, it gives people a reason to question all the statements they have made. The TT35 is not an isolated project that lives or dies on its own. It is the latest testament to GH's ability to make boats well, and maintain their credibility in the market. If they don't know what they are doing with the TT35, maybe the other boats aren't made as well as people thought. If their statement that "this boat will be out in the spring" isn't true....how can you believe the other statements they have made ? Maybe you don't really have solid fiberglass here....or encapsulated stringers there. This is a HUGE HUGE problem for them that is going to undermine their sales of new boats, and diminish the re-sale of used boats.

Problem management and reaction is a very difficult concept. Consider two companies with a product problem. Ford made the Explorer, and they were the number one selling vehicle for a number of years. It was the proverbial cash cow for them. Then they started rolling over on the highway and killing people. Ford said....its not our fault...its Bridgestone......so Bridgestone says...its not our fault...its Ford.....and people keep dying. The end result was they had to stop making one of the best selling vehicles since the Model T!!

This is probably before a lot of the TF'ers time...but its true.....Some sicko started poisioning tylenol tablets with cyanide. Tylenol was the #1 pain reliever at the time. They issued statements saying they were not sure what was happening. They told people to NOT purchase their product until they could figure out the problem. They enacted new sealing procedures for their product to prevent tampering. Eventually they solved the problem, and Tylenol retained thier top spot in the pain killer market.

Ford hid from the problem and the Explorer died....J&J dealt with the problem and kept their position as the number one pain reliever.

Which path is GH going to take ?
One thing is obvious: when it comes to cars, you know a bunch about boats.....
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One thing is obvious: when it comes to cars, you know a bunch about boats.....

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Why is it whenever the TT topic comes forward with a current post I know there will be fireworks, mutiny, thread drift and a whole lotta good times reading it all.

Should we start a poll as to when (if?) this boat attains credible recurring deliveries? Bets on whether we see hull #5 before Trump's reelection?
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Now that right there is funny.
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Ford hid from the problem and the Explorer died....J&J dealt with the problem and kept their position as the number one pain reliever.

Which path is GH going to take ?
I think we may be taking this a bit too seriously. GH not being really accurate or forthcoming on the progress of their new boat isn't causing folks to die in the streets. I have never worked in manufacturing, but I have to think that it is full of unforeseen issues. I'm not in a market for another boat. If I was, I don't think I would hold release delays against the company.
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I think we may be taking this a bit too seriously. GH not being really accurate or forthcoming on the progress of their new boat isn't causing folks to die in the streets. I have never worked in manufacturing, but I have to think that it is full of unforeseen issues. I'm not in a market for another boat. If I was, I don't think I would hold release delays against the company.
Glad to see common sense prevailing...letís see how long it lasts in this thread..
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There was a decline in Explorer production from 2005 to 2009, Production started picking up from 2010. It would appear that a no time did Ford stop making the Explorer..
Ok....let me rephrase.....the had to completely redesign the vehicle as they could no longer sell the one involved in the tire/rollover controversy.

In 2000 ( before the rollover issue ) they sold 445,000. Sales dropped sharply until 2009 when they only sold 52,000.....and many of those were fleet sales.

Ford and Firestone recalled 13 million tires at a cost of 3 billion dollars because of tread seperation issues in the US after 280 people died. Whether the vehicle is unsafe and whose fault it was would make for a fascinating discussion but this isn't the place for it, not does it have anything to do with the point I was making. My point was that Ford had a problem and didn't handle it very well and it cost them dearly and I compared it to JNJ's problem that was handled very well and did not cost them dearly.

GH has 2 problems at the moment...they can't seem to get the TT35's into the water, and they have not communicated the reasons for that to the public, nor tried to implement any kind of damage control regarding the issue.
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GH has 2 problems at the moment...they can't seem to get the TT35's into the water, and they have not communicated the reasons for that to the public, nor tried to implement any kind of damage control regarding the issue.
Geez! "Lighten up, Francis!" They don't owe the public anything.

They only owe an explanation to their buyers. I am sure the buyers have been informed what is going on.
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Why is it that people with much bigger and faster boats, who would never buy a TT35 anyway, even care?
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I just don't understand why Great Harbour seems to have such difficultly in rolling out these first 4 boats.

They are an established builder and this is the SMALLEST boat in their line. Compared to the activities of other boat builders it just doesn't seem to make sense.

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Geez! "Lighten up, Francis!" They don't owe the public anything.

They only owe an explanation to their buyers. I am sure the buyers have been informed what is going on.
1. Isn't the whole point of any internet forum to over analyze, espouse opinions and beat subjects to death ?

2. I would beg to differ as to whether they owe the public an explanation. They owe their investors their best efforts to maintain the value of the company, and I think letting negative chatter go un-answered, and not doing everything they can to maintain the value of the brand is not what their investors expected.
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I just don't understand why Great Harbour seems to have such difficultly in rolling out these first 4 boats.

They are an established builder and this is the SMALLEST boat in their line. Compared to the activities of other boat builders it just doesn't seem to make sense.

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Maybe because the TT35 is a different type of boat for them, and a relatively new market segment?

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Say Kenworth decided they wanted to build a unique SUV for the suburban family market. They already know how to build diesel trucks really well. How hard could it be for them to design and build that new SUV? ;-)
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1. Isn't the whole point of any internet forum to over analyze, espouse opinions and beat subjects to death ?



2. I would beg to differ as to whether they owe the public an explanation. They owe their investors their best efforts to maintain the value of the company, and I think letting negative chatter go un-answered, and not doing everything they can to maintain the value of the brand is not what their investors expected.


Dont overlook the fact that Mirage Manufacturing is a small "Family Business". If you call them in Gainesville Fl, one of the family will likely answer the phone, or be very close by. The people that get to spend any real time on one of their boats, will find them unique in form and fit and feel. Hopefully one of the TT35s will be at the GHTA meeting in New Bern in May giving Great Harbour owners a first look opportunity to tour the boat. I for one am looking forward to actually seeing, touching, and feeling what the boat is actually like.

Accurate critiquing of the boat (and for some) the company based on just a few pictures and what someone said is expecting too much with too little real knowledge, IMHO.

Time will tell how successful the TT35 will be, but knowing the Fickett family, I'm sure they will continue to make their mark and leave a good product in the hands of those that come aboard, as they have in the past.
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