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04-11-2017, 09:50 AM
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#101
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,050
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ctbarbarian
Newbie question
What is a USGC documented ship ?
I live on the Mississippi and we don't document.
Advantages and disadvantages ?
I'm trying to learn on this stuff
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Welcome! This link should answer most your questions. If it doesn't, then come back here.
USCG National Vessel Documentation Center, Home Page
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04-18-2017, 08:21 AM
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#102
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 310
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Documentation renewal
Just a reminder to all you owners of documented boats, when it comes time to renew, only go to the CG documentation website and renew for $26. If you get a reminder letter and it gives you a website address and they want $75, that is not the CG website but a private documentation service. The letter looks very official and fools many people into thinking it came from the CG. It even has a West VA return address even though it was mailed from CAL.
BEWARE!
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04-18-2017, 08:25 AM
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#103
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Guru
City: Madisonville, LA
Vessel Name: Sea Star
Vessel Model: 2004 Cruisers Yachts 50SS
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 906
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Thanks! Good info.
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04-18-2017, 09:19 AM
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#104
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Guru
City: Bellingham WA
Vessel Name: Hatt Trick
Vessel Model: 45' Hatteras Convertible
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,973
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The letter I got was from uscgdocumentation.us. Thinking that these guys might be authorized agents, I took the letter to the local USCG office, who said it was a scam.
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04-18-2017, 09:37 AM
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#105
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 310
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken E.
The letter I got was from uscgdocumentation.us. Thinking that these guys might be authorized agents, I took the letter to the local USCG office, who said it was a scam.
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Well, it's not a scam. They are a legitimate documentation service. I fell for it thinking I was dealing with the CG. Paid my $75 and I did get my renewal document.
Legal, probably yes. Ethical...no way. The reminder letter and website are both designed to make people think they are dealing with the CG.
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04-18-2017, 09:40 AM
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#106
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 310
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Here's the legitimate CG web site. Only use this.
https://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/
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04-18-2017, 10:04 AM
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#107
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Guru
City: North Charleston, SC
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,870
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It may be worth paying a service for your original documentation. It's certainly not for renewal. They send you a letter, you sign it and send it back with the fee (now $26, it used to be free).
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04-18-2017, 10:42 AM
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#108
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 310
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WesK
It may be worth paying a service for your original documentation. It's certainly not for renewal. They send you a letter, you sign it and send it back with the fee (now $26, it used to be free).
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I agree that under certain circumstances, it might be prudent to use a service for the original documentation. I only did once because I didn't know anything about documentation and the yacht broker handled it. Since then, I've always done it myself.
As far as renewal goes....it's like changing a burned out light bulb. I can do it myself for the cost of the bulb or I can pay an electrician $100 to do it for me.
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04-19-2017, 07:29 AM
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#109
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 310
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04-22-2017, 12:36 PM
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#110
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 310
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I fell for this scam as well as a lot of people. I'm doing everything I can on this as well as other boating forums to alert as many people as possible.
Pass the word to anyone with a documented boat. Let's keep this thread at the top of the page
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04-22-2017, 12:39 PM
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#111
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 310
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Bump. I want to alert as many people as possible.
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04-22-2017, 01:35 PM
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#112
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 310
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ctbarbarian
Newbie question
What is a USGC documented ship ?
I live on the Mississippi and we don't document.
Advantages and disadvantages ?
I'm trying to learn on this stuff
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If you see a boat that has no state numbers on the bow, it is Coast Guard Documented. You won't see many, if any, under 28-30' and quite a few over 40' will be documented. The bigger the boat, the more likely to be documented. There are pros and cons and also has to do with the state you live in. Most states require documented boats to be state registered as well. Some , like VA where I am does not.
The states that require it still make you put a state registration sticker on the boat, but you do not put state numbers on it.
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04-23-2017, 07:21 AM
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#113
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Guru
City: Alexandria, VA
Vessel Model: 2000 Wellcraft
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,467
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Probably the same people who masquerade as the USPS address change site and charge you $20 for the same service the USPS charges $1 for.
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04-24-2017, 12:28 AM
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#114
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Veteran Member
City: Prescott
Vessel Name: JOURNEY
Vessel Model: Prairie 29
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 84
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Mine is 24ft. 10in. and is in the process of being documented right now. To answer the question of why to get a boat documented, I did it so I wouldn't have to put up with all the different state laws on registion. We plan to use of boat in many different states, leave it stored between trips in some of these states, and don't want the state saying we have to register it there because it is there more than 90 days.
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04-24-2017, 06:33 AM
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#115
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Senior Member
City: Newburgh, Indiana
Vessel Name: Quiet Company
Vessel Model: Great Harbour GH-47
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 265
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Jackson
Mine is 24ft. 10in. and is in the process of being documented right now. To answer the question of why to get a boat documented, I did it so I wouldn't have to put up with all the different state laws on registion. We plan to use of boat in many different states, leave it stored between trips in some of these states, and don't want the state saying we have to register it there because it is there more than 90 days.
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Interesting... you might check States like Florida...I think the ninety days you mentioned may not apply. Also you must have a heavy boat..I thought 5 net Tons was the minimum for documentation but I'm not sure it's enforced.
https://www.uscgboating.org/images/420.PDF
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04-24-2017, 07:57 AM
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#116
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Guru
City: Southern Maine
Vessel Model: Prairie 36 Coastal Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,717
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Jackson
...I did it so I wouldn't have to put up with all the different state laws on registion...
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Most states I've heard of still want their registration fee and/or excise tax revenue, even if you're federally documented.
The only federal requirement is that the state can't force you to put registration numbers on the forward half of the hull. In fact, you're prohibited from putting any numbers there if the boat is federally documented.
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04-24-2017, 08:36 AM
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#117
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Guru
City: Carefree, Arizona
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48 (sold)
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,186
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In CO the boat trailer needed papers and a license. This covered the cost of the boat license too. Maybe things have changed, that was 15 years ago.
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04-24-2017, 11:42 AM
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#118
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 310
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptTom
Most states I've heard of still want their registration fee and/or excise tax revenue, even if you're federally documented.
The only federal requirement is that the state can't force you to put registration numbers on the forward half of the hull. In fact, you're prohibited from putting any numbers there if the boat is federally documented.
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I'm in VA and it's optional to register documented boats. I never have as there is no need to.
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04-24-2017, 11:55 AM
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#119
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spottsville
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It's based on a theoretical volume, not weight.
https://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/forms/cg1261.pdf
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04-24-2017, 12:08 PM
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#120
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cardude01
I just realized after reading this thread that I've never gotten a renewal for my documentation. I know (or thought) the boat was documented because the lender required it.
Interesting...
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How long have you had the boat?
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