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05-12-2017, 07:49 AM
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#161
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 310
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Quote:
Originally Posted by john61ct
Believe me they invested in lawyers to make sure they're just inside the letter of the law.
Consumer protection is not an area of government responsibility being strengthened these days.
And why would the FCC be involved?
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I think he meant to say FTC...Federal Trade Commission.
Postal Service would be a good place to file a complaint as well.
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02-27-2023, 12:17 PM
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#162
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Senior Member
City: Muskegon, MI
Vessel Name: Knot Salted
Vessel Model: 1981 Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 322
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Not the uscg
Want to spend lots of extra money?
Answer this letter…
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02-27-2023, 01:27 PM
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#163
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TF Site Team
City: MX, thru Canal to Bahamas
Vessel Name: Muirgen
Vessel Model: 50' Beebe Passagemaker
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 3,400
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Yep, lots of these going around. Now we'll get into whether or not it's a scam, with people weighing in on both sides! Personally, I lump them in with people who prey on the elderly and steal their social security checks and what not, but what do I know?
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Vessel Name: Muirgen
Vessel Model: 50' Beebe Passagemaker
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02-27-2023, 01:34 PM
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#164
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Guru
City: Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Vessel Name: Xanadu
Vessel Model: Mainship 37 Motor Yacht
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,472
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I got one of those too. I know we beat this topic to death, and I know some TF members think it's just a valid third party service provider, etc. That technically may be true, but it still smells borderline scammy to me. FINAL NOTICE. And they use a .us domain name instead of .com, and call themselves the National Documentation Portal as if they're a public agency. Their service may be legal, and heck, might even be helpful to those who can't do a really simple transaction online (I just did mine on the real site for $26). If they were truly above board however and didn't rely on giving people the impression they're an official agency, they'd look and smell and pass themselves off like any other regular, commercial business or service.
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02-27-2023, 02:59 PM
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#165
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Guru
City: NC
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,350
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The email and web addresses are .us but the USCG uses .mil
SSL is NOT secured or advanced. TLS has replaced SSL.
There is at least on company doing this sort of thing for magazine renewals.....
Later,
Dan
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02-27-2023, 05:07 PM
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#166
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Guru
City: Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Vessel Name: Xanadu
Vessel Model: Mainship 37 Motor Yacht
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,472
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You know if a real boat paperwork business would offer consolidated services that I actually found helpful, I wouldn't mind paying a premium. If I could dump the documentation renewal, the FCC/MMSI/DSC radio license renewal, the state registration renewal, and the dinghy state registration renewal on some company that would just handle it all for me, I'd probably be willing to pay double the actual agency fees so I never have to think about it again (other than sticking the stickers I suppose). Individually each of those transactions are not a huge time drain, but you add them all up, I wouldn't mind unloading them. Instead we just get businesses that try to give the impression they're public agencies, and just offer doc renewals at triple the agency price.
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02-27-2023, 06:21 PM
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#167
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Senior Member
City: Muskegon, MI
Vessel Name: Knot Salted
Vessel Model: 1981 Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 322
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slowgoesit
Yep, lots of these going around. Now we'll get into whether or not it's a scam, with people weighing in on both sides! Personally, I lump them in with people who prey on the elderly and steal their social security checks and what not, but what do I know?
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Agreed. Not a service of value as charged.
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03-03-2023, 10:04 PM
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#168
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 310
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Yea, I fell for one of these scammy doc renewals 7-8 years ago. Never again and I’ve made it my mission to alert as many people as possible
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03-04-2023, 09:03 AM
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#169
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Senior Member
City: Muskegon, MI
Vessel Name: Knot Salted
Vessel Model: 1981 Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 322
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kthoennes
You know if a real boat paperwork business would offer consolidated services that I actually found helpful, I wouldn't mind paying a premium. If I could dump the documentation renewal, the FCC/MMSI/DSC radio license renewal, the state registration renewal, and the dinghy state registration renewal on some company that would just handle it all for me, I'd probably be willing to pay double the actual agency fees so I never have to think about it again (other than sticking the stickers I suppose). Individually each of those transactions are not a huge time drain, but you add them all up, I wouldn't mind unloading them. Instead we just get businesses that try to give the impression they're public agencies, and just offer doc renewals at triple the agency price.
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Agreed, but not at their pricing which “bundled” would likely be somewhere between $1500-$2000.
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03-04-2023, 09:21 AM
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#170
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Guru
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 7,179
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slowgoesit
Yep, lots of these going around. Now we'll get into whether or not it's a scam, with people weighing in on both sides! Personally, I lump them in with people who prey on the elderly and steal their social security checks and what not, but what do I know?
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Tough to defend as a legitimate 3rd party service when the entire veneer is intended to deceive and obfuscate.
An example of a legit third party service are the firms thar research tax refunds and such that were never collected. They find the payee and offer to collect the money owed to them for a fee. Sure the person could do it themselves, but clearly they haven't. Found money for them.
Peter
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03-04-2023, 09:25 AM
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#171
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Guru
City: Grand Rapids, MI
Vessel Name: Escape
Vessel Model: 1973 Concorde 41 DC
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 782
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If the "service" was easier than going direct with the CG, then they could legitimately call it a service. But it isn't, it's maybe even a little harder. That's not "service".
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03-04-2023, 10:18 AM
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#172
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Guru
City: San Diego
Vessel Model: Helmsman 4304
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 2,005
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The Horror.
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03-04-2023, 02:35 PM
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#173
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Senior Member
City: Amery, WI
Vessel Name: Pursuit
Vessel Model: Transpac Eagle 32
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 108
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Again, if you don’t your documentation business on this web page:
https://cgmix.uscg.mil/psix/psixsearch.aspx
You are wasting time and money…
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Transpac Eagle 32 "Pursuit"
Bayliner 288 Flybridge
Somewhere South of Disorder
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03-04-2023, 04:59 PM
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#174
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Veteran Member
City: Wiscasset
Vessel Name: Slainte
Vessel Model: Krogen Express 49
Join Date: Nov 2022
Posts: 49
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Scruples ? Ethics? Morals ? Empathy for others ??
Don't see them much anymore! All that, along with "work-ethic". GONE!!!!
I try to remember 2 things"
What goes around USUALLY comes around.......Karma will get ya every time.
And
READ THE FINE PRINT and then investigate!!
There should be laws! There should be consequences!
ALL IMHO
"Do to others, as you would have them do to you" Just say'n
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03-04-2023, 08:34 PM
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#175
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Guru
City: Southern Maine
Vessel Model: Prairie 36 Coastal Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,717
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kthoennes
...If I could dump the documentation renewal, the FCC/MMSI/DSC radio license renewal, the state registration renewal, and the dinghy state registration renewal on some company...
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Which reminds me, my FCC license is due for renewal next year. Hard to believe I'll have owned this boat for 10 years come December.
At least no scammer has sent me a fake invoice for FCC renewal. Yet.
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03-06-2023, 01:26 PM
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#176
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Veteran Member
City: Shrewsbury
Vessel Name: Banna Strand
Vessel Model: Seadoo Challenger 230
Join Date: Sep 2022
Posts: 55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptTom
Which reminds me, my FCC license is due for renewal next year. Hard to believe I'll have owned this boat for 10 years come December.
At least no scammer has sent me a fake invoice for FCC renewal. Yet.
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What is your home address?
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03-06-2023, 03:07 PM
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#177
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Guru
City: Southern Maine
Vessel Model: Prairie 36 Coastal Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,717
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke 239
What is your home address?
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Just ask the scammers. They all have it!
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03-06-2023, 05:11 PM
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#178
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Senior Member
City: Muskegon, MI
Vessel Name: Knot Salted
Vessel Model: 1981 Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 322
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
yea, i fell for one of these scammy doc renewals 7-8 years ago. Never again and i’ve made it my mission to alert as many people as possible
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👍👍
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03-06-2023, 09:08 PM
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#179
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Guru
City: Oconto, WI
Vessel Name: Best Alternative
Vessel Model: 36 Albin Aft Cabin
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 3,145
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I get one every year, it serves to notify me that my documentation with Homeland Security will be in my mailbox soon. (or is it every two years now?)
pete
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03-06-2023, 11:52 PM
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#180
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Senior Member
City: Juneau
Vessel Name: Sea Dog
Vessel Model: 1991 DeFever 49 RPH
Join Date: Aug 2021
Posts: 298
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete Meisinger
I get one every year, it serves to notify me that my documentation with Homeland Security will be in my mailbox soon. (or is it every two years now?)
pete
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You can get it for 5 years now! 😄👍
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