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04-05-2022, 06:29 AM
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Senior Member
City: Bristol
Join Date: Mar 2022
Posts: 233
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Originally Posted by slowgoesit
I wouldn't have wanted to put that last 50 gallons of. . . . whatever into my boat. Hopefully it was all clean fuel!
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I agree, and perhaps the reason it was cheap is they haven't purchased new fuel in a few months.
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04-05-2022, 08:37 AM
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#142
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Guru
City: Newport, R.I.
Vessel Name: Hippocampus
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 42
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 2,206
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Personally try to not buy fuel the first or second day from delivery nor when close to empty. I usually ask by phone when last delivery occurred. Last boat had 4 fuels tanks. We filled at Blue water Hampton just before leaving on passage to BVI. One tank was empty and another half full before fill. The other two ~80%. In Sargasso Sea there was no wind so powered. Went through 6 racors with the tank that needed a complete fill. It didn’t seem to be clearing so stopped using it. The other 1/2 full tank to start took another 6 racors but cleared. After that experience have become totally anal about wanting to know when d fuel deliveries occur. Bluewater usually has excellent fuel and would have no reluctance to getting fuel there. The Salty Dawg left from there. Think with ~100boats filling up or topping off they were drawing from the bottom and things were stirred up. Up north from good yards think you can also get into trouble for similar reasons. So try to buy fuel mid week 2-3 days after a delivery. Found putting fuel in a clear glass or plastic container and looking at it can be misleading. Found baha filters of questionable help.
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04-05-2022, 09:06 AM
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#143
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Guru
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 4,008
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Oil industry is extremely complex. I have worked for one of the integrated global majors since 2013, recently one of their upstream (exploration and extraction) business units but have done work in midstream and downstream (transportation, storage, and refining). An industry benchmark view of health and condition is rig count. See this graph (US rigs) from one of the industry watch groups - ramping up production takes time. The huge cliff-drop in pandemic corresponds to a period where oil hit -$37/bbl meanng producers had to pay to get rid of oil because all storage was full and there was no place to put it. It's easy to turn-off operations - you just cancel contracts. Ramping-up is a much, much different matter - think of it this way: my neighborhood has many older homes being razed for a new McMansion. Takes about 4-days to level a house. Takes a year and a half to build a new one. But as you can see production is ramping pretty quickly.
Most of the majors are profitable at around $35-$40 bbl, but they feather their wells - reducing or idling expensive ones when pricing is low.
This is normal business practice that we'd all do. 
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1970 Willard 36 Sedan Trawler
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04-05-2022, 11:03 AM
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#144
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,098
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slowgoesit
I wouldn't have wanted to put that last 50 gallons of. . . . whatever into my boat. Hopefully it was all clean fuel!
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They have an above ground tank, and the pump is shutoff by a float switch. No worries, yet.
Ted
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I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
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04-05-2022, 11:16 AM
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#145
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,098
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I fill to my port tank and polish / transfer / use from starboard. Simply, I assume all fuel I buy is bad. Usually I'm pleasantly surprised. If you cruise, it would be foolish to assume otherwise. BTW, when was the last time a marina told you upfront that they have bad fuel. They very well may not know, so assume the worst and be prepared.
Ted
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Blog: mvslowhand.com
I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
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04-05-2022, 12:39 PM
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#146
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,451
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippocampus
Found putting fuel in a clear glass or plastic container and looking at it can be misleading..
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But we've found using a test kit to be useful. Far better than timing the market.
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04-06-2022, 09:51 AM
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#147
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Guru
City: Newport, R.I.
Vessel Name: Hippocampus
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 42
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 2,206
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Once again not 100% but definitely better than just looking at it.
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04-06-2022, 08:31 PM
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#148
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Guru
City: Walkabout Creek
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 7,931
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Just fueled at Covich-Williams in Seattle. $4.25 per gallon for 1000 gal and paying by check. That’s down about $.50 per gal since last week. Still expensive, but much better than over $5.
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04-06-2022, 08:44 PM
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#149
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Guru
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft Catalina 381
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 5,369
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We put 200 gallons of gas in the boat yesterday at $5.54 / gal. I didn't fill the tanks hoping that prices come down a bit (or we go somewhere with cheaper fuel) before we need more.
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04-06-2022, 09:49 PM
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#150
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Guru
City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,683
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Sunday 3/27 took 115,000 gallons of diesel in the tug...at $4.38/gallon. We ordered 160,000 gallons but the barge showed up 4.5 hrs late and we had to scoot... Glad I wasn't paying for it. We loaded 115,000 gallons in 3.5 hrs. Much faster than fuel docks.Usually 15k and hr at fuel dock
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04-09-2022, 05:32 AM
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#151
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Veteran Member
City: Placida, FL
Vessel Name: Calypso
Vessel Model: Heritage East 36 Sundeck
Join Date: Dec 2021
Posts: 75
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Recent diesel rates:
Vero Beach Marina (FL) on 4/3/22: $5.43 / gallon ($5.08 + tax)
Fishermen's Village Marina (Punta Gorda, FL) on 4/8/22: $570.9 / gallon (incl tax)
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04-09-2022, 01:30 PM
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#152
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,451
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DWJensen
Recent diesel rates:
Vero Beach Marina (FL) on 4/3/22: $5.43 / gallon ($5.08 + tax)
Fishermen's Village Marina (Punta Gorda, FL) on 4/8/22: $570.9 / gallon (incl tax)
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Wifey B:  $570.9 per gallon. Wow. 
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04-10-2022, 04:42 PM
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#153
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Senior Member
City: Bellevue
Vessel Name: Rascal
Vessel Model: Homemade
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 246
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Bought some diesel in Comox, British Columbia yesterday. $2.399 CAD a liter, so $7.22 USD a gallon. Gas was the same price. Discount kicks in at 500 liters which we were under so it was $2.399 for us.
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04-10-2022, 05:49 PM
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#154
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Guru
City: Boston Area
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,290
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor of Fortune
Sunday 3/27 took 115,000 gallons of diesel in the tug...at $4.38/gallon. We ordered 160,000 gallons but the barge showed up 4.5 hrs late and we had to scoot... Glad I wasn't paying for it. We loaded 115,000 gallons in 3.5 hrs. Much faster than fuel docks.Usually 15k and hr at fuel dock
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Holy Smokes!!! I hope they wash your windsheild and checked your oil when you spend that much!!
What kind of discount do you get at that volume compared to the 75 gallon purchaser ? If you can't say that's fine...I get it.
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04-10-2022, 06:13 PM
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#155
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Guru
City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,683
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benthic2
Holy Smokes!!! I hope they wash your windsheild and checked your oil when you spend that much!!
What kind of discount do you get at that volume compared to the 75 gallon purchaser ? If you can't say that's fine...I get it.
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I'm not sure, the office sets it up. They watch the futures prices closely. They try to get 50 or 100,000 gallons at a time for on of the big boats and we fuel the smaller tugs.
I know it was 6 cents a gallon cheaper getting it bay barge than going to the terminal...
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05-24-2022, 03:58 PM
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#156
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Senior Member
City: Northern Chesapeake
Vessel Model: Carver 440, 6CTA8.3's
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 418
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$5.78 upper Chesapeake Bay, today
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05-24-2022, 04:09 PM
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#157
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Senior Member
City: San Diego
Vessel Name: North Star
Vessel Model: Lindell 36
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 342
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Paid $5.57 before tax on Sunday or about $6 after tax in San Diego for >100 gallons.
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Lindell 36, Twin 370hp Cummins
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05-24-2022, 05:15 PM
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#158
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Guru
City: West coast
Join Date: Aug 2021
Posts: 854
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RedRascal
Bought some diesel in Comox, British Columbia yesterday. $2.399 CAD a liter, so $7.22 USD a gallon. Gas was the same price. Discount kicks in at 500 liters which we were under so it was $2.399 for us.
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Same for me. I got the discount though. Whopping 0.03 cents a gallon discount. I took on 3,000 liters, though I did split the fueling in to two trips. The first was $2.19/liter.
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