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03-31-2016, 03:21 PM
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Wannabe
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 782
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The T-word again!
I am filling in a form for property taxes on my boat (welcome to California.) You can see I had to choose between Trawler and Motor Yacht (amongst others). What should I do?
As you can see from the second part of the form one of the possible usages is Commercial Fishing.
I decided Stillwater is a Motor Yacht and not a Trawler.
Not trying to stir anything up of course
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03-31-2016, 04:06 PM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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I would fill in inflatable and declare the KK the tender to...at least for tax purposes...
Put down trawler and be done with it.... if they ask what you fish for then worry about it...or tell them it doesn't matter because you checked pleasure use.
At least in my world... people seem to know what a recreational trawler is...it is only a few here on TF that want to argue it.
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03-31-2016, 05:21 PM
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Guru
City: Venice Louisiana
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,097
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I'd do whatever cost the least.
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03-31-2016, 05:32 PM
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Guru
City: Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Vessel Name: Xanadu
Vessel Model: Mainship 37 Motor Yacht
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,472
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I would move out of California. No taxes on the boat and my state registration is $42 a year.
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03-31-2016, 05:45 PM
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,046
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kthoennes
I would move out of California. No taxes on the boat and my state registration is $42 a year.
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I guess I never realized the extensive cruising grounds available in South Dakota.
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03-31-2016, 05:56 PM
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Wannabe
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 782
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kulas44
I'd do whatever cost the least.
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I don't think there's a difference in cost. There's a flat rate as far as I know.
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03-31-2016, 05:57 PM
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Wannabe
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 782
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
I would fill in inflatable and declare the KK the tender to...at least for tax purposes...
Put down trawler and be done with it.... if they ask what you fish for then worry about it...or tell them it doesn't matter because you checked pleasure use.
At least in my world... people seem to know what a recreational trawler is...it is only a few here on TF that want to argue it.
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I'm assuming that since commercial fishing is an option then trawler means a fishing boat.
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03-31-2016, 05:58 PM
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Wannabe
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 782
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kthoennes
I would move out of California. No taxes on the boat and my state registration is $42 a year.
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If I had a dollar for every time someone has suggested that I move out of Cakifornia then I could probably afford to live here!
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03-31-2016, 06:05 PM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Britannia
I'm assuming that since commercial fishing is an option then trawler means a fishing boat.
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Nope....look at the selections, do you see longliner, purse seiner, gillnetter, etc, etc....? Look what is on both sides of the trawler selection....a list of fishing boat types?
They mean exactly what you and I have and about 99% of the boaters I know would agree...only some here who actually think they have a handle on things keep arguing what a tiny bit of research quickly proves ignorant.
Even the state knows that people have a good idea what a trawler is and have it listed.
You can put down whatever you want and not too much can be argued one way or the other....but please stop listening to the chest beaters on here.
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03-31-2016, 06:24 PM
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Wannabe
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 782
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
Nope....look at the selections, do you see longliner, purse seiner, gillnetter, etc, etc....? Look what is on both sides of the trawler selection....a list of fishing boat types?
They mean exactly what you and I have and about 99% of the boaters I know would agree...only some here who actually think they have a handle on things keep arguing what a tiny bit of research quickly proves ignorant.
Even the state knows that people have a good idea what a trawler is and have it listed.
You can put down whatever you want and not too much can be argued one way or the other....but please stop listening to the chest beaters on here.
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I guess I did succeed in stirring things up - not a surprise!
I doesn't make any difference in the end - I'll get charged the same!
Richard
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03-31-2016, 06:32 PM
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#11
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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Not stirred up...just advising how to accurately fill out a form you asked about.
No skin off my nose no matter what you put down...just hard for me to believe a few people I haven't even met can alter others opinion even when the state thinks is normal.
Have at it either way....I had a harder time tying to answer what a RHIB was....
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03-31-2016, 07:59 PM
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#12
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Guru
City: Port Townsend
Vessel Name: The Promise
Vessel Model: Roughwater 35
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,569
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You have a very nice looking motor yacht.
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03-31-2016, 08:12 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dhmeissner
You have a very nice looking motor yacht.
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Wifey B: Oh, did he get rid of his Trawler?
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03-31-2016, 08:25 PM
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#14
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Guru
City: Venice Louisiana
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,097
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Wifey B. Zakly!!!! He actually does have a TRAWLER.
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03-31-2016, 08:46 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,565
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Greetings,
Golly, no place to check off LRC (Long Range Cruiser) and she's displacement with a round bottom...So many choices, so little time...
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RTF
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03-31-2016, 08:46 PM
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Guru
City: Here
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,940
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
...but please stop listening to the chest beaters on here.
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Me thinks thou dost protest too much
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03-31-2016, 09:16 PM
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#17
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,329
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Property taxes on a boat???! Please don`t tell the friendly Australian Taxation Office(ATO). That`s one they`ve not thought of. Yet.
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BruceK
2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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03-31-2016, 10:04 PM
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#18
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Guru
City: Port Townsend Washington
Vessel Name: " OTTER "
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander Europa 40
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,378
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kthoennes
I would move out of California. No taxes on the boat and my state registration is $42 a year.
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I about fell off my chair when I read this....
You have about $ 30.00 worth of weather and water in S.D...
Your getting ripped off!
The year around cruising and plethora of places to go makes the California taxes worth it.
Hollywood
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03-31-2016, 10:16 PM
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#19
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Guru
City: Duvall, Wa. USA
Vessel Name: Beach Music II
Vessel Model: 2003 Mainship 430 Trawler
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,040
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I was living in Santa Barbara, Ca, when Prop. 13 rolled back the property taxes. The state and local governments were looking for any excuse to get more money. I owned a 15ft MacGregor catamaran and I got a property tax bill for it in the mail. Their assessed value was three times the price of a new boat. I sent them classified adds of comparable boats. They wouldn't budge, so I ended up giving the boat to my neighbor and his son. I should mention I was a starving student at the time. Also, all the cat owners kept their boats at the city beach all summer. This had been going on for years. The city decided they had to buy permits to leave their boats there. In one week all the boats were gone. I don't miss California at all.
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03-31-2016, 10:46 PM
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#20
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Wannabe
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 782
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dhmeissner
You have a very nice looking motor yacht.
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Thanks!
Kadey-Krogen described it as a "Passagemaking Trawler" and a "Trawler Yacht" in their original brochure.
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