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03-07-2020, 07:12 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Channel Islands, CA
Vessel Name: New Adventure
Vessel Model: McKinna 48PH
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 54
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Underwater exhaust
Looked at this boat today.
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/200...house-3601563/
It has no mufflers, just underwater water exhaust. I’ve read that this can be an advantage at planning speed because of less back pressure. We will be running this boat at displacement speeds. Would there be any concern about this type of exhaust at the much slower speed.
Thanks
Doug
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03-07-2020, 07:30 PM
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Guru
City: ketchikan, Alaska
Vessel Name: 'SLO'~BELLE
Vessel Model: 1978 Marben-27' Flybridge Trawler(extended to 30 feet) Pilothouse Pocket Cruiser[
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In a word: "No". There are cases to be made on the subjct, but as to this boat specific No.
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03-07-2020, 08:19 PM
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Guru
City: Between Oregon and Alaska
Vessel Name: Charlie Harper
Vessel Model: Wheeler Shipyard 83'
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,023
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I ran patrol boats with Detroit 6v53s with under water exhaust. Idle, full speed, or anywhere in between it didn't bother the engines. Made them much quieter, too.
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03-07-2020, 08:29 PM
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Senior Member
City: Oak Island, NC
Vessel Name: Pawseidon
Vessel Model: Navigator 4600
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 134
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At lower displacement speeds I believe it will exhaust above the water line through other ports.
Ours also has underwater exhaust but doesn't come into play until well into the planing speed range. Until that, the exhaust is through the above water ports.
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03-07-2020, 08:48 PM
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Guru
City: Long island
Vessel Model: Eastern
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Often there is a high pressure bypass . It is usually a smaller pipe above the water line. Either way not a problem.
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03-07-2020, 10:12 PM
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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Always have wondered why more boats are not designed having underwater exhausts??
In the 50's/60's there were sweeping right angle exhaust attachments I'd see fitted over transom exhaust pipe. They extended to somewhat underneath the surface of water.
I'd hear pros and cons as to their impacts.
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03-07-2020, 11:08 PM
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Guru
City: NARBONNE
Vessel Name: 'Snow Mouse.'
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Hi Art. I fitted a s/steel 90' bend on my boat turned outward at a 45' angle for 2 reasons, it does quieten the exhaust a little and more importantly keeps the transom clean from the exhaust soot.
The only other boat I've seen with an underwater exhaust was a Swedish built Coronet boat, very effective but as the exhaust is water cooled there's no visual check for 'tell tale' water so I think it would be wise to fit an exhaust temperature gauge in case of a blocked sea water filter.
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03-08-2020, 12:06 AM
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish Rambler
Hi Art. I fitted a s/steel 90' bend on my boat turned outward at a 45' angle for 2 reasons, it does quieten the exhaust a little and more importantly keeps the transom clean from the exhaust soot.
The only other boat I've seen with an underwater exhaust was a Swedish built Coronet boat, very effective but as the exhaust is water cooled there's no visual check for 'tell tale' water so I think it would be wise to fit an exhaust temperature gauge in case of a blocked sea water filter.
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For decades... I've always kept rubber exhaust guard flapper on my inboards' exhaust pipe that come out of the stern.
Eliminates the chance of forced backflush into exhaust and enables opportunity to clearly see the flow of cooling raw-water at idle or other RPM.
At idle or just a bit above: This apparatus somewhat decreases exhaust noise... while angling exhaust fumes into the water.
https://autoplicity.com/9053639-seac...iABEgJmlvD_BwE
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03-08-2020, 07:54 AM
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Technical Guru
City: Wilmington, NC
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 6,194
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Been on a few McKinna's. I think they use like a 3-4" bypass line that goes to the transom. At low power settings, all the exhaust goes out that line and all is well.
Check that it has the bypass line. I would not want an engine to have to blow its exhaust two feet under water all the time. Makes an annoying gurgling sound like the Volvo IPS, and makes quite a bit of backpressure..
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03-08-2020, 08:06 AM
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Guru
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft 381 Catalina
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I think the 45 or 90 degree turnouts that used to be common were mostly for transom soot reduction. One hint in that direction is that they were very common on diesel boats, much less so on gas powered ones.
Personally, I'm not a fan of underwater exhaust or transom (or side) exhausts mounted low enough to be partly submerged. I hate that the bottom edges of mine are underwater with full tanks and a couple of people on board.
It's not exactly a big risk, but if the exhaust outlets aren't clear of the water and you have an exhaust hose failure far enough back in the system, the boat is likely done for. It's not exactly easy to keep up with the inflow from a 5" or larger hole in the boat, even right at or just below the waterline.
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03-08-2020, 09:20 AM
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Guru
City: Gooding ID/Wrangell AK
Vessel Name: Silver Bay
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 42-002
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,040
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I have an underwater exhaust on the Nordic, but the only thing that goes underwater is the raw water. A muffler does the separation of exhaust gas and water and a second smaller muffler handles the balance and further quiets things down. All you hear at the transom exhaust exiting about 4 in above the water line. At least that is how think it works.
Tom
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03-08-2020, 09:57 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Channel Islands, CA
Vessel Name: New Adventure
Vessel Model: McKinna 48PH
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 54
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That would explain this horizontal pipe coming off the exhaust.
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03-08-2020, 11:40 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Little River, SC
Vessel Name: Memory Lane (fiberglass)
Vessel Model: 1974 Pacemaker 40 Flush deck Motor Yacht
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 89
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That is quite a boat for a very good price, in my opinion.
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03-08-2020, 11:46 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Channel Islands, CA
Vessel Name: New Adventure
Vessel Model: McKinna 48PH
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cliff Meima
That is quite a boat for a very good price, in my opinion.
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Actually, the comps are $230 - 250K. Nowhere near 400K. His broker agrees it priced 150K to high. BUC Report places it at 230K. We’ll see if he is ready to come down to reality.
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07-23-2020, 01:01 PM
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Senior Member
City: Portland
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 111
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Looks like you ended up with her. How's the boat been for you?
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07-23-2020, 03:34 PM
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Guru
City: NARBONNE
Vessel Name: 'Snow Mouse.'
Vessel Model: BROOM FLYBRIDGE 42.
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,733
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Art, those boats are waay above my pay grade, cheaper boat more to spend of the kids inheritance.
rslifkin, maybe just a nod towards the fact that the diesels 'might' be opened up on the pump.
Personally I like to keep it standard and tune the engine/gearbox/propeller for optimum cruising efficiency for speed/economy.
As long as you enjoy your boat then that's great, your boat, your dream come true.
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09-01-2020, 01:04 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Channel Islands, CA
Vessel Name: New Adventure
Vessel Model: McKinna 48PH
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubnuh
Looks like you ended up with her. How's the boat been for you?
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Yes, When Covid hit the owner wanted to "Make a deal". I was able to do an engine survey before I made a new offer.245K
Have spent the last 6 months in the slip rehabbing the engines. Internally they are fine, but externally needed all maintenance and corrosion control. Port engine is done and running, Starboard engine should be back on line this weekend.
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09-01-2020, 01:54 PM
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Guru
City: San Diego
Vessel Name: North Star
Vessel Model: Lindell 36
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 530
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Looks very nice now. Do you have a before pic?
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Lindell 36, Twin 370hp Cummins
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09-01-2020, 02:02 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Channel Islands, CA
Vessel Name: New Adventure
Vessel Model: McKinna 48PH
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lwarden
Looks very nice now. Do you have a before pic?
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Not the same shot but you can see the general condition. This engine had a leaking salt water pipe for quite some time, so a lot of corrosion to deal with.
Besides stripping and painting, I replaced the After cooler, all hoses, belts and lines, both hydraulic and fuel.
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09-01-2020, 02:07 PM
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Guru
City: San Diego
Vessel Name: North Star
Vessel Model: Lindell 36
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 530
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I have to face that on my boat when I get it down south, it's in a similar condition. Can you share the process and materials?
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Lindell 36, Twin 370hp Cummins
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