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Old 06-05-2018, 06:25 AM   #41
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There 3 possible options, as I see it.
1. learn to live with it.
2. install an independent inverter
3. install a combination charge/inverter.

Down the road, consider a separate main inverter and a smaller inverter for each TV and DVD player.

For my main inverter, it is a 1500amp. I can run the microwave or a couple of 120 vt outlets, one to run the coffee pot. In hind-sight, I would suggest 2000 or 2500 amp inverter. Because I only have a 1500 amp inverter, I have learned the true meaning of "load management." When the AC lamp goes out, the stove goes off, the microwave stops, I know I have to shed some of the AC load. LOL The hot water heater is the first to go.

I assume you were meaning to say Watts and not amps for the inverters.
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Am I the only one who runs his genset while running?
That is why we have a generator, to run. Of course if one does want the A/C and it is not time to cook (electric stove), there is no real need to run the generator. I guess it is just the individual preference. SHRUG

I like my inverter so I can use the microwave (1200 watts) or make coffee and power the TV. The inverter is augmented by 260 watts of solar panels.

I'm happy.
Could I be more happy? Of course but, at what cost. (rhetorical question)

In the evening, when we are sitting in the cockpit or you on your fly bridge, the only difference between us and and the "rich people" is, they might be doing it on a bigger boat.
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I assume you were meaning to say Watts and not amps for the inverters.
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Thank you Trawler forum.
My toilets with the hand pump weren't filling and it
was diagnosed on this forum..

The kid that painted the bottom, painted over the masking tape he
used to cover the threw hauls and forgot to remove the tape
before they put it in the water.
A new dock mate had a pressure tank,
open the sea cock,
hit with 200 psi and blasted the tape off.
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Thank you Trawler forum.
My toilets with the hand pump weren't filling and it
was diagnosed on this forum..

The kid that painted the bottom, painted over the masking tape he
used to cover the threw hauls and forgot to remove the tape
before they put it in the water.
A new dock mate had a pressure tank,
open the sea cock,
hit with 200 psi and blasted the tape off.
Thank you again
Another mystery solved!!!
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The kid that painted the bottom, painted over the masking tape he used to cover the threw hauls and forgot to remove the tape before they put it in the water. A new dock mate had a pressure tank, open the sea cock, hit with 200 psi and blasted the tape off.
Well! That's incredible! Who'd have even thought to try that?
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Well! That's incredible! Who'd have even thought to try that? "The kid that painted the bottom, painted over the masking tape he used to cover the threw hauls and forgot to remove the tape before they put it in the water. A new dock mate had a pressure tank, open the sea cock, hit with 200 psi and blasted the tape off."
ah yes, those 'threw hauls"

While he had the pressure tank, did he check the 'through hulls' too?
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Thank you Trawler forum.
My toilets with the hand pump weren't filling and it
was diagnosed on this forum..

The kid that painted the bottom, painted over the masking tape he
used to cover the threw hauls and forgot to remove the tape
before they put it in the water.
A new dock mate had a pressure tank,
open the sea cock,
hit with 200 psi and blasted the tape off.
Thank you again
Glad you have this solved - FWIW I would never hook my dive tank up to any boat fittings. I have had great success hooking a garden hose up to situations like this to check a blockage. Many bad things can happen quickly with high pressure.
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Am I the only one who runs his genset while running?

Seems like people go through alot of trouble not to do so but when i'm not on shore power I'm almost always running the Genny.. doesn't bother me one bit.
No, you're not the only one. Only in sailboat land and trawler forum land do I see people going to such an effort not to. We run air conditioning so run generator.
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Old 06-06-2018, 08:34 AM   #50
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30 and 50 amp plug cords
2 main engine batteries for twin diesels and 1 battery for gen.
3 aux batteries.
AC/DC norcold fridge.

I did have it surveyed and I can't find any reference to a inverter.
Survey says "wired for 110v "

I'm about 40 miles downstream from the marina and I can make it back up
this weekend, I was just hoping it was something simple and I could fix it
myself.
My experience with this large a boat is from the fall of 2017, I'm very pontoon
river savy but none of them had this many systems.
I appreciate any and all information.
In 2012, we were where you are. Our previous experience was bow riders on an inland lake in NC.

I'm glad to see you resolved this situation of the idiot painter. One thing I'd recommend, if possible, is if you can find someone knowledgeable of your boat and similar, whether a captain or mechanic, and just spend a couple or a few hours on board with them walking through every system, especially electrical and plumbing. Discuss what you think you have learned and open questions. Get suggestions. In a short period of time, they can show you an amazing amount and you can leave far more comfortable. It may be the best spent $200 or so ever.
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I will learn a lot soon. I've hired a professional Captain to
help me take the Boat from Iowa down the Missississippi, via the
Tenn Tom to Gulf Shores Alabama.
Planning on leaving 8/7/18.
Hopefully they can totally update the electronics and other areas
of the boat. I should have learned a full working knowledge of all the systems.
Planning on using Saunders yacht works.

Leave the boat for 3 months and head back there in Jan 19 to explore and learn
the Emerald coast of Fl.
3 year plan

1st get totally working knowledge of the boat and get it to FL.
2nd get used to living aboard and exploring FL and the Keys
3rd Bahamas
4th Finish off the Loop and back to Iowa.
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Please forgive me if this sounds insulting, I just don't know the extent of your experience.


You have two type of powered devices on board, 12v DC and 120v AC. When plugged in or have the genny running, you have 120v AC powered to the panel. That will power any 120v items. Those will include your Air Conditioning and anything that is plugged into a standard 120v wall socket. As was mentioned, originally the fridge was a 12v/120v convertable so it would run on either. Unless you have a propane stove, that too will require 120v AC to run.


Many boats have an inverter. This converts your battery 12v DC to 120v AC. This is great for running small loads, or short term loads (such as a fan, iphone charger, coffee maker) but won't handle big loads or you will quickly drain your batteries.


So, if you had the boat surveyed before you bought it, the survey will show if you have an inverter or not. If you didn't have it surveyed, then you need to start hunting around the boat to see what you have.
Some of us (probably more than will let pride admit) do NOT know everything there is to know about our boats. I moved up to a trawler and have started reading this forum a lot. I have many of the same issues with power underway. My crew has no experience and seems to think I can be on fly bridge and below at same time.
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We are all constantly learning. No one has it all figured out, and if they think they do, be wary.
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We are all constantly learning. No one has it all figured out, and if they think they do, be wary.
Always learning. If we can get time though with someone with more experience and knowledge than us, it can accelerate our learning process. Barbarian will increase his comfort level many fold on the trip south if his captain is willing to teach along the way. Best thing will be when he completes the trip and then thinks "next time I could make that trip without him".

And anyone who thinks they are completely self sufficient, think again, or be prepared to row a long ways some day. We depend on knowledge, advice and assistance from others in every thing we do in life.
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We are all constantly learning. No one has it all figured out, and if they think they do, be wary.
Get most of it figured out and we either buy a bigger boat or die.
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Get most of it figured out and we either buy a bigger boat or die.
Which are you choosing?

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Which are you choosing?

It's like the old Jack Benny clip

I have a long way to go, trying to figure out this Cummins.
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No, you're not the only one. Only in sailboat land and trawler forum land do I see people going to such an effort not to. We run air conditioning so run generator.


I think it mostly due to the size of the boats. On small and mid-sized boats like many of us own, a genset is a bit noisy. Ours is pretty quiet, but we can still hear it running while we are in the salon or galley as the genset is below the salon floor. We don’t hear it from our cabin.

On a larger boat, there is more boat between the genset and the living quarters. This makes the genset completely unobtrusive. At the same time, larger boats have a higher consistent need for electrical power.

I don’t like to run my genset unless I need to. We don’t have AC nor an electric galley so there isn’t really the need.
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Some of us (probably more than will let pride admit) do NOT know everything there is to know about our boats. I moved up to a trawler and have started reading this forum a lot. I have many of the same issues with power underway. My crew has no experience and seems to think I can be on fly bridge and below at same time.

There is a lot more that I don’t know than what I know.
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Am I the only one who runs his genset while running?

Seems like people go through alot of trouble not to do so but when i'm not on shore power I'm almost always running the Genny.. doesn't bother me one bit.
How are you able to keep the genset with a load?
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