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07-27-2017, 10:24 PM
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Senior Member
City: Maple Bay BC
Vessel Name: Orca
Vessel Model: RFC Coaster 23
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 300
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If you get a tiny outboard to store in a bag, remember the gasoline will go bad. Propane doesn't go bad and they make some nice little propane powered outboards now. LUHR is the brand IIRC. You just screw one of those green camping propnae bottles into it. I'm thinking of the tiny 2hp model for plan B, not the high hp units.
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07-27-2017, 10:49 PM
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City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
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I am going to start playing with an old windsurfer sail and mast on our tinny soon and steering it like a windsurfer or using an oar as a sweep.
Not expecting good results but it may be fun and it may be better than rowing.
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07-27-2017, 11:01 PM
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Senior Member
City: Wherever the boat is
Vessel Name: Kismet
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 458
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simi 60
I am going to start playing with an old windsurfer sail and mast on our tinny soon and steering it like a windsurfer or using an oar as a sweep.
Not expecting good results but it may be fun and it may be better than rowing.
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A kite is actually not a bad idea.
For me, plan A is an outboard I have confidence in
Plan B is a few tools and spare parts.
Plan C is a handheld and or visual comms with passerby's
I would do a PLB or Epirb on the dinghy if I was likely to be out of range of anyone with the Vhf for more than a day, which is basically never.
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07-28-2017, 01:37 AM
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Guru
City: Boston Area
Join Date: Feb 2017
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I think a spare engine for a dinghy is going too far. I'm surprised a handheld wouldn't be able to reach the mother ship but that's not the focus of the thread. To me, and my free opinion on this isn't worth what you're paying for it, but if you need extra security I'd suggest a sailing dinghy that's got an easy rig to assemble.
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07-28-2017, 01:48 AM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Life is not without its risks, but carrying a spare engine on a dinghy seems an extreme measure, suggesting one would be better off staying on the couch.
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07-28-2017, 02:05 AM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,646
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I want to know what motor you have . One of those Chinese copy's LOL
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07-28-2017, 02:30 AM
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Guru
City: Adelaide
Vessel Name: Kokanee
Vessel Model: Cuddles 30 Pilot House Motor Sailer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,218
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce
Life is not without its risks, but carrying a spare engine on a dinghy seems an extreme measure, suggesting one would be better off staying on the couch.
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I agree with you, Mark.
Generally you aren't in a life threatening situation if your dinghy motor fails.
It may be inconvenient that you can't get back to the mothership but your're not going to die; especially if you carry a small anchor to keep you being blown out to sea.
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07-28-2017, 03:54 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Chicago, IL
Vessel Name: Bay Pelican
Vessel Model: Krogen 42
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,993
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Bought a dinghy with a locker for a reason. In that locker are stored a handheld
VHF radio, flashlight, tools and an anchor with 75 feet of line.
As Larry implied our dinghy and those of the other cruisers are our lifelines, used all the time. With a hundred dinghies in any anchorage someones outboard stops working frequently and we cruisers are quite familiar with towing each other back to our respective boats. In the last six years it has happened to me twice.
The VHF and anchor are important as we frequently make several mile runs at night. We rely on the ability to stay put (the anchor) while we wait for help.
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07-28-2017, 04:41 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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"If that's the answer, then I'm getting something rowable. Mine isn't for any meaningful distance."
"Certainly worth adding, but still want plan B."
A second boat ? Or dump the condom boat?
Many aluminum skiffs can be rowed , are fast under power and can be dragged up on the shore.
Most are 1/2 or less the weight to handle.
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07-28-2017, 06:20 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Little River, SC
Vessel Name: Memory Lane (fiberglass)
Vessel Model: 1974 Pacemaker 40 Flush deck Motor Yacht
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 89
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My tender is a twelve foot aluminum boat that is very easy to row, such that I often don't put the outboard on it, I row. Long oars help a lot.
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07-28-2017, 06:48 AM
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Guru
City: Annapolis
Vessel Name: Ranger
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Aug 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
Rowed and let the wind push my RIB back to the mother ship. An hour to go maybe a half a mile. I think I could row a cast iron bathtub faster.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
Row till you drop.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
If that's the answer, then I'm getting something rowable. Mine isn't for any meaningful distance.
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Walker Bay makes a rigid dinghy with an inflatable collar option. That approach could mean RIB-like advantages in a rowable dinghy. The WB dinghy is said to row OK, and I'd guess certainly better than most RIBs. The WB dinghy also has an optional sail kit. The WB one doesn't do high speeds with the motor, though, if that's also a requirement.
Might be other makers offer a similar approach. And/or might be possible to add an inflatable collar to any decent rigid dinghy.
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Might be slightly easier/better rowing on most RIBs by simply improving the oars. Meaning use real ones, instead of the abbreviated versions typically included with most RIBs.
Another approach might be doing your exploring with a canoe. Square-stern, add a motor... paddle home under duress if necessary. Maybe try a kayak paddle instead of a typical single canoe paddle. Fill most of the canoe with inflatable bags when interior space isn't needed (whitewater bags), remove those when you're hauling groceries.
Could maybe keep the RIB, add a canoe to your boat, use the (motorized?) canoe for longer distance exploring, use the RIB when you need a short-trip station wagon.
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-Chris
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07-28-2017, 06:50 AM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
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Ted, I know you are probably well past most of this discussion, but you also probably already knew there are few reasonable alternatives other than a fine rowing vessel with oars as backup.
But for newcomers to dingies.....I guess my rowing in college must have helped me.
While she is no pretty pulling skiff, my RHIB rows well enough that I can row back from my expeditions if necessary. For most, dont just assume a hard dingy will row better than a RHIB, try one before making that compromise. I have rowed a lot of hard dingies that I think are worse than my RHIB. Now soft bottom inflatables are another category all together except maybe a few styles.
I hope everyone knows you row inflatables a little different....short choppy pulls versus normal pulling?
If the wind and tide are going to be against me and a long distance, I rethink my options....even to the point of walking it along shore as an option.
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07-28-2017, 08:57 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 5,037
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when we cruised the Canadian canal systems for 2 years we carried a Merc 2.2 as a spare. It was 2 cycle so it could use gas mix we had for the Yamaha with a little more oil added.
We never needed it so I sold it for more than I paid for it.
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Ex boats: 1983 40 Albin trunk cabin, 1978 Mainship 34 Model 1
New Port Richey, Fl
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07-28-2017, 09:05 AM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
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Hand held VHF and Phone and be prepared to call for tow assistance or stranger assistance.
I don't go anywhere without my phone and no where on the water without a VHF.
Dinghy motor is more likely to fail and strand you than main boat. You use it to explore as we do and we might be far from the boat.
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07-28-2017, 09:41 AM
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Guru
City: Miami Florida
Vessel Name: Possum
Vessel Model: Ellis 28
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Is your engine electric start? I'd carry a small trolling motor. You'd be surprised how far a thirty pound thrust trolling motor will push you with even a small battery. A trolling motor can sit unused for years and still go when you hook it to a battery. It's also about half the weight of the smallest internal combustion engine. If you don't already have a battery on the dinghy, it might be worth carrying one.
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Retired from Hopkins-Carter Marine Supply
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07-28-2017, 11:33 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Chicago, IL
Vessel Name: Bay Pelican
Vessel Model: Krogen 42
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,993
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There has been some discussion of carrying a small second outboard in the dinghy. Given the frequency of outboard thefts in parts of the world I wonder how long an outboard not mounted but chained to the dinghy would last before being stolen.
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07-28-2017, 11:41 AM
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Guru
City: Newark, DE
Vessel Name: Infinity
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 48
Join Date: Jan 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
I use my dinghy to go exploring off the beaten path. Getting towed back or having cell service may not be an option (wouldn't have been available at Isle Royale). So as I was struggling to get back, my mind is going, "The first one was easy. This second one is your wakeup call. Hey stupid, what's plan B when you're 5 miles away? "
So I'm open to suggestions.
Ted
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What is the goal here?
- To be get back 5 miles without assistance?
- To get to a place where (some type of) assistance can be contacted?
- To be able to contact (some type of) assistance from where the failure occurs?
Then of course, what kind of assistance do you desire? A low-profile tow, or a high-profile, I'm-getting-swept-out-to-sea CG intervention?
Seems to me there would be different solutions: an additional engine to get back, maybe just oars to get ashore and find help, or (my choice) a PLB. Might seem to be overkill but I'd rather get too much help than too little.
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07-28-2017, 12:57 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
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Some more information:
It appears that I won't be hearing back from my contact at the outboard motor manufacturer till Monday. Hope he's having a nice long weekend.
The outboard I have is a Lehr 9.9 that runs on propane. I knew the fuel wasn't bad as I cooked a pork tenderloin on the grill with it last night. For those that are unfamiliar with propane engines, the fuel comes out from the tank around 200 psi, is reduced in pressure through an orifice that generates a refrigeration effect, goes through a heat exchanger to stabilize the temperature, and then through a regulator in the carburetor to stabilize fuel delivery to the engine.
The first carburetor failed when the internal regulator died venting the excess propane through a safety valve. Lehr sent me a replacement carburetor, no charge, under warranty. This I installed and it worked flawlessly for 50 minutes and then suffered a similar type failure. It's my guess that the heat exchanger before the carburetor is the issue and caused both failures. My buddy who is a propane forklift mechanic, said these types of failures to the carburetor happen as a result of the heat exchanger not stabilizing the gas temperature. So at this point I believe the second failure was from not diagnosing correctly the cause of the first failure.
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Originally Posted by O C Diver
I go places where the hand help won't reach anyone or I don't have cell phone service. Always travel with a PLB or an EPIRB, so ultimate rescue isn't the issue. Let's call them plan C. Still trying to figure out a self rescue plan B.
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For those that missed the above, I go exploring places where other people are unlikely to pass by. Self help needs to be plan B.
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Originally Posted by danderer
What is the goal here?
- To be get back 5 miles without assistance?
- To get to a place where (some type of) assistance can be contacted?
- To be able to contact (some type of) assistance from where the failure occurs?
Then of course, what kind of assistance do you desire? A low-profile tow, or a high-profile, I'm-getting-swept-out-to-sea CG intervention?
Seems to me there would be different solutions: an additional engine to get back, maybe just oars to get ashore and find help, or (my choice) a PLB. Might seem to be overkill but I'd rather get too much help than too little.
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Have much of this covered. Still need to be able to get back from 5+ miles unassisted.
Ted
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07-28-2017, 03:29 PM
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#39
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kev_rm
A kite is actually not a bad idea.
For me, plan A is an outboard I have confidence in
Plan B is a few tools and spare parts.
Plan C is a handheld and or visual comms with passerby's
I would do a PLB or Epirb on the dinghy if I was likely to be out of range of anyone with the Vhf for more than a day, which is basically never.
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I already have A, B and C and also D, long oars.
I guess the sail is plan E.
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07-28-2017, 09:47 PM
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City: kemah
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