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Old 04-04-2018, 04:07 PM   #1
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Iveco engine opinions sought

As we get to the framing up stage of the Sea Dreamer Project, the search for an engine has intensified. While not a must, it would be nice to buy and install an engine now while everything is wide open.

If you don't know, I'm a complete rookie with regards to boats and engines. I'm a pretty handy guy, done a few extensive remodels, built some decks, put on some roofs, and wired some houses along with a woodworking hobby that has built most of the furniture in my home.

I have found a 2005 Iveco engine for sale that is described as "surplus", new and never used. The seller is well regarded and claims the engine has been tested and functions properly. A vendor warranty is included.

My ideal engine HP for our Diesel Duck is from around 85HP to 120HP, with this particular engine listed as 98HP. The listed price is under $12,000 plus freight costs.

I've only learned of the Iveco brand from my research as it doesn't have the name recognition like a cummins, John Deere, etc.

My question is what is the quality reputation for this engine company in general? Are parts widely available? Is this based on another larger company and the re-branded with the Iveco name?

My intent is not to start a which engine is superior and have this devolve into an anchor debate. Just would like to know from people with some real trawler experience, particularly with an Iveco power plant, what kind of reputation this engine has.

thanks in advance.
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I believe that they are a good engine, bigger in Europe than the US. Is it a marinized engine? If not it will be a significant cost to marinize it.
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1000's Iveco trucks in Australia and its not uncommon to see them for sale with 6/700000 km know of a one with 950000km
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Mr. 2640. Regardless of the reputation of Iveco power plants and in spite of the fact it has 0 hours, the engine is still 12 years old. I would be concerned about parts availability in the future. I'm sure you've read about someone who needs XXXX part(s) for an engine that may have been quite common "back in the day" who is having a difficult if not impossible time looking for...whatever. Just a thought.
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Mr. 2640. Regardless of the reputation of Iveco power plants and in spite of the fact it has 0 hours, the engine is still 12 years old. I would be concerned about parts availability in the future. I'm sure you've read about someone who needs XXXX part(s) for an engine that may have been quite common "back in the day" who is having a difficult if not impossible time looking for...whatever. Just a thought.


Truck engine's remain the same design for many many years the engine in my Mitsubishi 4x4 is the same as 2002 Id say the same for all Japanese engines
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Iveco are part of fiat power train FPT. I have recently replaced a 20 year old iveco with a new fpt engine 2017 build tier 3 electronic. Built in Turin Italy.

Where I am located there is a excellent dealer for iveco products.

Do you know model number? I can ask about reputation from them.

My Experiance is with there larger units.
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Iveco are part of fiat power train FPT. I have recently replaced a 20 year old iveco with a new fpt engine 2017 build tier 3 electronic. Built in Turin Italy.

Where I am located there is a excellent dealer for iveco products.

Do you know model number? I can ask about reputation from them.

My Experiance is with there larger units.
That would be great, thanks. I believe it's either: F4GE0406A or 211801, both are listed in the ad, I'm guessing the first.

To answer a previous question, I should have mentioned, yes, its marinized but does not include a transmission.
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I would be inclined to use a Cummins 6BT at 180 hp, which is the lowest marine rating commonly found. I don’t see the additional hp as a bad thing, your boat will likely cruise nicely on less than 40 of these ponies, but the rest of them will be standing by, harmlessly.
Per your request, I won’t start a pissing match about brands, I’ll just say that I have researched thoroughly, and this is my opinion based on that as well as many years of experience.
So what anchor will you use?
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Cummins has a reman program that gives you the amse warranty as a new engine. Might take a look at them.
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I'd suggest asking the same question on boatdiesel. And peruse their threads and articles. Iveco's reputation is not encouraging for the NA market but make up your own mind.

For a single engine vessel a robust, well known and current build would be my choice. Lots to choose from.
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does this look correct

https://www.thtsales.com.au/wp-conte...N45100Info.pdf
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See if parts are available where you plan on cruising. If you hire your mechanical work also see if mechanics are available. Not just anybody that claims to be a mechanic.
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If the boat has the yacht style seawater/heat exchanger ,,wet exhaust the Iveco engine should be fine. Especially if a world tour is coming.

Fiat is not as world wide as Detroit , but parts should be available for a few decades.

You might wish to stockpile some now.And purchase the BIG full shop manual "Da Book"

If the boat has a keel cooling / dry stack setup as found more on commercial boats , the engine selection be comes far less expensive.

J Deer makes good engines and the farm tractor folks hold sales of factory rebuilt engines , no core required, at great (for JD ) prices.

Cummins also has deals on new long blocks that are inexpensive.

Look in Boats and Harbors for deals

Personally I would use an international DT 366 , out of an under 10,000 mile skool bus .
These can be has in the $3,000 range with wiring.

A proper sized Twin Disc , from a rebuilder and I would be set.

For resale the JD would create the highest value.
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The marinization side of the Fiat block is easy enough to assess for normal spare parts availability. In the PNW call Gallery Marine and ask them for price and availability for:

-- raw water pump
-- raw water pump impeller
-- coolant pump
-- engine heat exchanger
-- transmission heat exchanger

Have the model and serial number available for reference. If Gallery cannot easily find the parts you need, suggest you think twice.

A 12 year old unused engine is not new. Where and how it was stored is one thing, rotating parts unturned for this long bear scrutiny.

Also, building the boat around a used questionable engine may be problematic. Have you considered Beta Marine, Perkins Sabre or Yanmar. They make great Four cylinder marine engines in your HP range. A bit larger but equally acceptable is a reman 6BT Cummins. All come with factory warranty with readily available spare parts. Perkins Sabre is owned by Cat.
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I'm a wood guy and am very comfortable in that world, I envy the gear heads who know about the engine stuff. I have a good friend who has a lift, big into cars, It seems like a great hobby but I'm already spending enough money.



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A 12 year old unused engine is not new. Where and how it was stored is one thing, rotating parts unturned for this long bear scrutiny.

Also, building the boat around a used questionable engine may be problematic. Have you considered Beta Marine, Perkins Sabre or Yanmar. They make great Four cylinder marine engines in your HP range. A bit larger but equally acceptable is a reman 6BT Cummins. All come with factory warranty with readily available spare parts. Perkins Sabre is owned by Cat.
The above is good advice. I can hear my grandfather saying, "engines were meant to be used" While I won't pretend to know any facts but it seems that engines just sitting is not a good thing. Seals, hoses and stuff deteriorate even when they arent being used.

I appreciate the other comments and we love the Beta 85 but not the $25,000 price. We like the perkins as well. My neighbor loves the Cummins.

Would it be a concern to go the 6bt 180 HP route and regularly use so little of its power? I know some engines require you to take it up to full rpm for a certain percentage of engine life but I think I would be darn close to idle speed most of the time. I can't remember where but I have heard the 4bt does not have the best reputation.
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Cummins has a reman program that gives you the amse warranty as a new engine. Might take a look at them.
Cummins recon can't be legally installed in a new build. I know,I know, I know, your going to say who would ever know?...Do you want to lose a buyer at resale time because of this issue? I wouldn't want that monkey on my back during my ownership. A surveyor is certainly going to bring it to light. I love Cummins recon program.Those engines have a great warranty and reputation, virtually new engine.
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Here is a brand new 4 cylinder Cummins, on sale from Cummins, warranty and all for $9k.
How in the world can you top that? 160 hp.

https://cumminsengines.com/repower.aspx

I am thinking keel cooled off the engine water pump with a separate electric raw water pump to the exhaust mixer elbow; separate systems. No pesky heat exchanger, just appropriately sized in both length and diameter, pipe carrying engine coolant looped around the keel. Or a commercially designed keel cooler. Either way seems sensible.
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The 2.6 Cummins is a light duty ski boat engine at best. I'd guess the OP is looking for a commercial rated diesel
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It is a truck_tractor engine. With proper prop and transmission ratio why would it not work just fine? He is not after speed, and as long as it is not overloaded seems like there should not be a problem
Look at the specs at the torque rating for 1500 to 3000 RPM,
267 ft lbs. is that sufficient?

You may be right, I looked @ Kubota 115 hp @3.7 liter vs Cummins 2.8 liter. @160 hp.... hummmmm
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Cummins recon can't be legally installed in a new build. I know,I know, I know, your going to say who would ever know?....
Assuming you are meaning that non emission compliant engine is not legal, it *** IS *** legal in the US to use such an engine in a home build. At least it was a year or so ago when I was reading through the EPA regulations. I believe the OP is building his own boat.

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